warninglight Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 On 11/01/2024 at 18:39, Zelandeth said: If it weren't for being vastly over committed here already I'd probably be getting an itchy finger asking to add myself to the queue as a Roller has always been on my list - albeit a slightly later one (I've spent many happy miles wafting around in a friend's mid 80s Silver Spirit) than this, but I'd definitely not turn it down because of details like that! I know of a relatively cheap late 80s one that needs some love if you're keen! Bren, DeanH, eddyramrod and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat4alfa Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 On 13/01/2024 at 17:22, HMC said: I take it that is ms_HMC at the wheel The photos made me wonder what the equivalent-era Soviet drive shot could have been. OK agreed, 'prestige' cars didn't really exist, but just for the sake of it, had a look ZIL 117 ? The SWB one. With bonnet ornament. GAZ-14 ? Needs a bonnet ornament. TATRA 613 ? This lady looks like she wants to scream the yaichki out of the V8 Even in export-spec, GAZ-24 still stuck with 4 cylinder engine, so probably not Извините, мне просто было интересно. eddyramrod, HMC, egg and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownnova Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 I wonder if there are any ZiLs in the UK. Always found them fascinating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 On 12/01/2024 at 21:04, Zelandeth said: Aye that's a good reminder actually, remember that these are like hydraulic Citroens in that there is no brake servo etc...you are simply switching on a hydraulic circuit to power the brakes - no system pressure = no brakes whatsoever, no matter how hard you stand on the pedal. I've made the mistake of rolling Craig's one out of the garage before the pressure had come up one day and very nearly went through the fence. He thought it was hilarious mind you...thank god the steering is so light that I was able to spin it round fast enough to get round the corner. I didn't know the earlier cars didn't use LHM, every day's a school day. I thought these also had a conventional master cylinder backup or was that only the Silver Spirit? I am loving this RR. So many of the cars on this place are hovering between scrapman and salvation but few are this glamorous. eddyramrod, outlaw118 and HMC 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motorpunk Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 14 hours ago, brownnova said: I wonder if there are any ZiLs in the UK. Always found them fascinating. Same. I wonder if the Russian embassy here ever imported and used them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMC Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 didnt @nigel bickle attempt a zil rescue many moons ago IIRC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMC Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 Meanwhile on the ropey ‘shad front, we all know its received a generic, demeaning and tacky; but at the same time quite glamorous and accessible wedding white blow over…… but in what? As a comparison of factory whites in the works car park…. My money is on the old ford diamond white (bottom of pic) and the mini looks a bit too cream? Or what about white van man white? after all, when it started getting the bride to the church on time, it became a trades vehicle as well… RobT, Coprolalia, Six-cylinder and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 That white gloss that Poundland do. Sheefag, tooSavvy, CGSB and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyslexic Viking Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 On Soviet luxury barges, some of these GAZ ZIM bellow were sold in Norway, some went as taxis while some were used by our authorities. lesapandre, outlaw118, RayMK and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat4alfa Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 This was the Soviet Embassy car JLM 555 photographed 1956. It is a ZiS 110, a reverse engineered copy of the 1942 Packard Super Eight. ZiS became ZiL in 1956, so it is by lineage, a London Embassy ZiL Thought to be this one, raced Firecracker 2001. catsinthewelder, CGSB, bunglebus and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat4alfa Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 This (no later than 1960) GAZ 12 ZiM was raced 1992 and said at the time to be an ex-Diplomat car. Well ok, they all were 'Diplomat' cars, but how and why did it arrive in UK otherwise. Possible film set maybe, who knows I appear to have invaded the thread sorry. CGSB, bunglebus and eddyramrod 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Equalizer Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 On 13/01/2024 at 17:26, lesapandre said: Low coolant or engine temp warning light? Guess the warning light bingo. Varying degrees of expensive fun*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Equalizer Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 21 hours ago, HMC said: Meanwhile on the ropey ‘shad front, we all know its received a generic, demeaning and tacky; but at the same time quite glamorous and accessible wedding white blow over…… but in what? As a comparison of factory whites in the works car park…. My money is on the old ford diamond white (bottom of pic) and the mini looks a bit too cream? Or what about white van man white? after all, when it started getting the bride to the church on time, it became a trades vehicle as well… My Dad has owned his T-Type for 35 years. He long thought that white wasn't actually a factory colour (and I see from your posting that yours has had a colour change from original), but according to this: Most frequently sold colours -rrsilvershadow.com you could have your Shadow/T-Type painted white from the kick off. Could it be that your car was painted an 'official' Rolls-Royce white? It's really nice to see Shadows in use. I've had two (well T-Types, but I'm splitting hairs.) An absolutely superb '68 (now in Holland and sadly now not so nice) and a complete shed of a '71 which I took to pieces. For the latter, despite it being totally irredeemable, I still feel dirty that I parted it out (to use an Americanism.) Here it is before I'd sold bits: They are magic in a way that is hard to describe. Yes, the steering is vague, parts prices that will wipe out your monthly salary in an instant and fuel economy only matched by a tank, but just the waft factor alone makes up for it. Anyway, nicely bought and I'm following this thread with great interest. lesapandre, mercedade, Popsicle and 6 others 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horriblemercedes Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 On 16/01/2024 at 15:11, flat4alfa said: I take it that is ms_HMC at the wheel The photos made me wonder what the equivalent-era Soviet drive shot could have been. OK agreed, 'prestige' cars didn't really exist, but just for the sake of it, had a look ZIL 117 ? The SWB one. With bonnet ornament. GAZ-14 ? Needs a bonnet ornament. TATRA 613 ? This lady looks like she wants to scream the yaichki out of the V8 Even in export-spec, GAZ-24 still stuck with 4 cylinder engine, so probably not Извините, мне просто было интересно. You couldn't really buy most of them if you were a normal Soviet citizen so it's kind of moot and you certainly didn't have a driveway. The GAZ was really the top car you could get as a normal person and in cost:salary ratio would've been (I suspect) more expensive to a Soviet citizen than the Rolls-Royce was to a UK citizen and with a longer waiting list. So that's probably the closest comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cort16 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 My bet would be enamel tractor paint. Cheap, hard wearing and easy to paint. HMC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMC Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 6 hours ago, The_Equalizer said: My Dad has owned his T-Type for 35 years. He long thought that white wasn't actually a factory colour (and I see from your posting that yours has had a colour change from original), but according to this: Most frequently sold colours -rrsilvershadow.com you could have your Shadow/T-Type painted white from the kick off. Could it be that your car was painted an 'official' Rolls-Royce white? It's really nice to see Shadows in use. I've had two (well T-Types, but I'm splitting hairs.) An absolutely superb '67 (now in Holland and sadly now not so nice) and a complete shed of a '71 which I took to pieces. For the latter, despite it being totally irredeemable, I still feel dirty that I parted it out (to use an Americanism.) Here it is before I'd sold bits: They are magic in a way that is hard to describe. Yes, the steering is vague, parts prices that will wipe out your monthly salary in an instance and fuel economy only matched by a tank, but just the waft factor alone makes up for it. Anyway, nicely bought and I'm following this thread with great interest. Great back story- so you grew up around them? Ive tapped up the RREC and asked for the records they have, so im looking forward to finding out more (soon hopefully!) LightBulbFun and lesapandre 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Equalizer Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1 hour ago, HMC said: Great back story- so you grew up around them? Ive tapped up the RREC and asked for the records they have, so im looking forward to finding out more (soon hopefully!) I suppose yes. Dad bought his T-Type when I was 15-years-old. He'd always fancied one and it was owned by the MD of the company he worked at. From memory it was £7K which is £18.5K in today's money. The icing on the cake was a number plate he'd accidentally ended up with when buying a Riley as a student in the 1960s. The Riley (RMF) was advertised at £20 plus £20 for the number (it's a three letter combination followed by a one). Anyway, during the test drive, the owner managed to put the Riley through a hedge making a mess of the wing in the process. Supposedly the owner got out and said to my Dad that he could have the car and the plate for £20. Anyway, the plate has been on the Bentley for most of the 35 years. Various things have been done over the years including the obvious stuff with suspension, brakes, repairs to the rear bumper corners, some bodywork. It's got 134K on it and generally very tidy if not immaculate. He's not particularly precious about it as this photo illustrates (we were rebuilding my Land Rover's engine): You mentioned the RREC. Yes, the records are definitely worth getting (if not a little pricey.) Dad's came with some interesting 'extras'. Firstly it has a roof rack with a matching green cover! There are screw fittings mounted to the roof. It also has opening quarter lights both front and back plus 'cotton reel' rear head rests and an unusual indent in the rear parcel shelf (presumably for a hat.) I think the paint is possibly a bespoke choice - known as Smoke Green Valspar (I could be wrong on this one.) My '68 was an absolute gem and highly original. I bought it from Baron's auction in the mid-2000s when I had my phase of buying classics with my house deposit money. To add to the fun I always drove my new purchase back home. I think this one decide to throw one of its brake warning lights halfway round the (London) South Circular. You can see it here (UK photos were actually mine): Bentley T1 #4179 - www.rrsilvershadow.com/ I actually managed to make a slight profit on it which must be some kind of feat. Lol. It is a rather rare colour - sage - which was a Silver Cloud colour originally and didn't last that long into Shadow production. It's one of the very few cars I miss. To my mind the early cars really are spot on, in particular the interior with its 'Chippendale' dash. Good luck with your one. No matter how short an ownership I really think it's worth everyone having one if you're into luxo-barges. Nothing quite compares, although an early Spirit or square headlight Turbo R certainly tickles. As an aside, hasn't there been a bit of a bust up at the RREC? Datsuncog, eddyramrod, LightBulbFun and 10 others 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMC Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 Shad news I decided to risk depending on it for a work trip so wafted to my destination and back And en route back i couldnt resist taking a pic beside a brutalist posh bastard house of the period… When i got back I see that the RREC have been busy and sent me the records the hold for it, and they have landed through my letterbox. Join me later when i browse through whilst with guinness. Joey spud, Cookiesouwest, mercedade and 36 others 39 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMC Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 Here we go In no particular order (theres at least 40 pages ) First of 3 (!) paint shop inspections LightBulbFun, Schaefft, Burnside and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMC Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 Original bill of sale and warranty card… It wasnt just Charlie Croker that was into quartz iodine fogs! And who is the mysterious Albert Cassir? Spottedlaurel, Schaefft, coachie and 13 others 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Longbridge Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Noice. Inglewood looks rather spacious. Six-cylinder, HMC, Dyslexic Viking and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMC Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 Also @LightBulbFun the car seems to have been completed summer 71 but wasnt registered till august 1972? LightBulbFun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMC Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 2 minutes ago, Dick Longbridge said: Noice. Inglewood looks rather spacious. Brilliant detective work! Dick Longbridge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Jetter Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 10 minutes ago, HMC said: And who is the mysterious Albert Cassir? Born in Egypt on 3 Mar 1911. Albert CASSIR married Winifred POPPLEWELL. He passed away in Lancashire, England. outlaw118, Wibble and HMC 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HillmanImp Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 13 hours ago, Dick Longbridge said: Noice. Inglewood looks rather spacious. Think thats maybe the wrong one. Inglewood in Caldy is a mock tudor jobbie and was Malcolm Lowery's home. https://lithub.com/wandering-the-wirral-on-the-literary-influence-of-malcolm-lowrys-childhood-landscape/ https://www.zoopla.co.uk/property-history/114-caldy-road/caldy/wirral/ch48-1lw/31847749/ Shite Ron, mercedade and lesapandre 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMC Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 5 minutes ago, High Jetter said: Born in Egypt on 3 Mar 1911. Albert CASSIR married Winifred POPPLEWELL. He passed away in Lancashire, England. A sort of northern, less successful version of Muhammad-al-fayed? he preferred a fleet of benz IIRC though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs6C Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Albert Cassir was a cotton merchant in Liverpool... HMC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Jetter Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 33 minutes ago, HMC said: A sort of northern, less successful version of Muhammad-al-fayed? he preferred a fleet of benz IIRC though No idea, just dropped him into google and ancestry.co.uk popped up the first result - the age would seem to fit, and it could tie in with @Mrs6C's observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs6C Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 37 minutes ago, High Jetter said: No idea, just dropped him into google and ancestry.co.uk popped up the first result - the age would seem to fit, and it could tie in with @Mrs6C's observation. He was indeed married to Winifred and they had one child, a daughter named Jeanette. She went to Upton Convent School and then onto finishing school in Switzerland, where she studied French. Later on she worked for a solicitor's practice in Hoylake. Jeanette was a noteworthy showjumper and had represented Cheshire in competitions. She became engaged to (or married) a James Chapman in January 1966. His parents had a nice house at 28 Quarry Road, Heswall, which was used until at least 2009 as a Prep. school. Albert was, genuinely, a cotton merchant in Liverpool. High Jetter, eddyramrod, Yoss and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayne Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1 hour ago, HMC said: Here we go First of 3 (!) paint shop inspections Am I the only one who sees a cock and balls in this image? GrumpiusMaximus, LightBulbFun, loserone and 11 others 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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