pandamonium Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 I was pondering this the other day, do we still come across cars that nobody wants, but are at least reliable? It would appear to me that 1.8 litre cars are the pariah of the automotive world, being not very sporty, but not economical either. For instance, my ex drives a 2004 Astra 1.8 Automatic. It is shit on fuel, high insurance etc, not particularly fun or engaging to drive, but seems pretty bulletproof. Like this Are there any others like this, where the 1.8 ends up being the forgotten hero? Am I talking utter nonsense? (It happens occasionally) Cavcraft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Bell Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 . At least it's economical though. Jazoli, somewhatfoolish, Walter White and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DVee8 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 The latest Nissan Primera's were 1.8 petrol.I say latest the last cars are around 12 years old.Big heavy car for a smallish engine. I always thought the 1.5 was a strange engine size but this seems to be the way now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2_craig Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1.8 was some sort of company car tax threshold in the 1980s wasn't it? Hence the popularity of Cavaliers and Sierras in that engine size. Plus bigger stuff, wasn't there Granada and Carlton 1.8s? BMW 518 too Stevebrookman, Shep Shepherd, TRW and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Focus Mk1 1.8 another pointless engine size. Not to bad on fuel on the motorway but people want the 1.6 in this size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandamonium Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 Yeah, I'm referring to where they become undesirable as used cars, due to a stupid size engine. I guess 2.0 cars fall in there too nowadays, as most cars are a lot heavier too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazoli Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 .20180827_144936.jpg At least it's economical though. Snap I like mine, but by god its dull, even compared to a diesel Bora. It seems everyone wants 1.2 litre petrols or 'loking 4 a cheep car, must b deasel m8' The amount of wanted ads I see on FB and the like saying the above, people have been brainwashed and don't even consider a 1.8 Avensis (for example) as they believe they are uneconomical, even though they are generally cheaper to buy, the fuel is cheaper, there's a lot less to go wrong and the fuel economy is similar to a diesel anyway, muppets. Bamboocarman, Uncle Jimmy, Jim Bell and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercrocker Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 The 1.8 version of the M102 that I have in the 190E is a bit pointless. I gather as Mk2 Craig says that it dates back to that company car tax bracket which is I think why Mk2 Cavs were 1.8 instead of 2 litre to begin with. Its hard to compare 25 year old cars with each other but the 1.8 seems definitely to lose out over the 2.0 versions (I haven't tried a 2.3). To make matters worse MB saw fit to chuck a "1.8" badge on the boot lid Uncle Jimmy and Jim Bell 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adw1977 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 The list price for a 1.8 Sierra was the same as for the equivalent 1.6, which suggests they weren't very popular even when new! oldcars 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiltox Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1.8 auto Astra H has been deeply undesirable from new Dirt cheap from 3 years old because Motability bought a metric fuck tonne of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Small capcity V6's are pointless - just as expensive to run as their bigger engined siblings put power outputs comprarable to their smaller engined bretheren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandeth Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Let's not forget that the 1.8 litre Sierra didn't have reliability on its side either given the tendency for them to eat their piston rings and valve stem oil seals unless meticulously maintained. We had one at about 60K miles that used nearly as much oil as petrol. Granted...still drove perfectly! Crispian_J_Hotson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 318i. Crispian_J_Hotson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riek Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Focus Mk1 1.8 another pointless engine size. Not to bad on fuel on the motorway but people want the 1.6 in this size. 1.6 performance with 2.0 fuel economy. MikeR and alf892 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeR Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1.8 Meriva not only a Meriva but a 1,8 Meriva ....... with a Vauxhall badge as well thirsty , clattery , shit steering , tinworm loving subframes , barge like handling and crap gearchange ..and more expensive to tax and insure nothing a trip to the scrappies would not fix ....killed mine on a last holiday trip and scrapped it , never looked back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieInExile Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Small capcity V6's are pointless - just as expensive to run as their bigger engined siblings put power outputs comprarable to their smaller engined bretheren.My 75 KV6 2.0 was a thirsty thing but my word was it smoooooooth. Skizzer, clayts450 and Lacquer Peel 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riek Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 in the E46 3 Series, the three 6-pot petrols (320i, 325i, 330i) all have basically the same fuel economy figures. So why would you buy either of the two smaller ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cort1977 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 My Dad once had a 1.8 Carlton that was pretty unkillable until I wrapped it around a lamppost. Sorry Dad. mk2_craig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Snipes Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 The Toyota vvt 1.8 should be alright at about 130bhp. The lean-burn, pre vvt 1.8 7AFE made about 115, the same as higher tune 1600s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split_Pin Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Economy of a 2 litre, performance of a 1.6. mercrocker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorniteIdentity Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 My 75 KV6 2.0 was a thirsty thing but my word was it smoooooooth.The 2.0 is regarded by many to be smoother and superior to the 2.5. They are smashing little things. clayts450 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcars Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 The list price for a 1.8 Sierra was the same as for the equivalent 1.6, which suggests they weren't very popular even when new!My father got one for towing. BorniteIdentity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asimo Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 I think much damage has been done to the Uk car market by this weird insistance on classifying engines by swept volume. FFS, just because it can be measured with a ruler! Nobody cares, anywhere else in the world,* about the size of the holes in their engines. So many other details are more important and more interesting! **Excluding the weird and distorted world of motorsport. Lacquer Peel and Datsuncog 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthbay Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 318i. most of which aren’t 1.8s due to bmw’s Delightfully simple* product listing system. chodweaver, Craig the Princess, BorniteIdentity and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 I’ve a 1.8 Mondeo, in fact I’ve had several, it’s quite good on fuel, not as quick obviously as the 2.0 but adequate enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forddeliveryboy Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 The list price for a 1.8 Sierra was the same as for the equivalent 1.6, which suggests they weren't very popular even when new!I used to deliver Sierras all round the North and up to Scotland in the summer hols, the 1.6 was a bit slow, the 2.0 quick enough but thirsty, the 1.8 was as quick in real world driving and as economical as the 1.6. I seem to remember the 1.8s had better damping and received the latest little updates first. Similarly, where a Passat or 80 was more than brisk enough with the 1.8 (and relatively lairy with K-Jetronic and the extra 20hp over the 90bhp carby ones), the 1.6s were flat and had to be rowed along with the gearlever. The Reverend Bluejeans, Bamboocarman and Lacquer Peel 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Cavalier 1.8i’s used to be a good deal as well, plenty quick enough and good on motorway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beko1987 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 This is quite a touching thread, because Amy's 1.8 zafira Is shit on fuelStinks of oil when hot Rattles its tits off when coldUnder the rocker cover is a load of crusty smeggy oil crustThe oil filter was caving in on itself when I gave it a service Yet it plods on quite happily! And has done for a long time, and hopefully will do for a long time yet! Reminds me, it's due an oil change soon... purplebargeken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavcraft Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 I was pondering this the other day, do we still come across cars that nobody wants, but are at least reliable? It would appear to me that 1.8 litre cars are the pariah of the automotive world, being not very sporty, but not economical either. For instance, my ex drives a 2004 Astra 1.8 Automatic. It is shit on fuel, high insurance etc, not particularly fun or engaging to drive, but seems pretty bulletproof. Like thisastra..jpg Are there any others like this, where the 1.8 ends up being the forgotten hero? Am I talking utter nonsense? (It happens occasionally) Astra H and automatic? That bullet proof bit isn't going to last long, I'm afraid. Lacquer Peel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 I think much damage has been done to the Uk car market by this weird insistance on classifying engines by swept volume. FFS, just because it can be measured with a ruler!Nobody cares, anywhere else in the world,* about the size of the holes in their engines. So many other details are more important and more interesting! **Excluding the weird and distorted world of motorsport. Ireland and Italy do, and I'm sure many other countries do too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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