skattrd Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 Well, I watched Doug De's video, and there are a few differences between that facelift one and my leather clad rhd pre-facelift.I then realised I'd not really posted many interior pics, excuse the grubbiness, as I've just given the worst bits a quick wipe for now. Yes the steering wheel does protrude quite a bit, and no it does not move in/out, just a little tilt up/down. Everything on one stalk, including cruise.The small stalk behind does the tilt of the wheel, no telescope in/out. If you watched Doug's video you might have noticed he said none were produced with rear headrests, and they didn't move the spare to the drivers side on rhd. Well, mine must be quite rare then. In other news, I've managed to change the TPS (plusgas ftw) and refit some interior bulbs, but I'm missing the cover for the rear cargo light.If anyone sees a pre 97 Cherokee in a local scrappers can you have a look for the plastic lens that covers the rear cargo light please. Currently none on ebay UK or US. RobT, HMC, The Moog and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandeth Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 The steering wheel being quite a long way back seems to be quite a common thing in US cars. Glad you don't have the airbag - say what you like about safety but there's no escaping that the early airbag wheels were utterly HIDEOUS! The dimmer for the dash lights is controlled by turning the knob on the headlight switch. Had one we sold come back with a complaint the dash lighting didn't work once...they hadn't been able to work that out! skattrd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skattrd Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 The dimmer for the dash lights is controlled by turning the knob on the headlight switch. That also controls the interior courtesy lights …. which the seller of this vehicle wasn't aware of, so removed bulbs to turn the lights off. Jim Bell, BorniteIdentity and wuvvum 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangernomics Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 I give you the solution that Skoda went with for the throttle cable on the Estelle. IMG_20190124_225050.jpg Basically go get yourself a terminal strip you'd usually use for joining flex together. Strip the plastic bit off the outside, then there ya go. One screw-on, adjustable cable end. Obviously you'll need to snip the end on there off first. I've done this on a whole bunch of vehicles and it's never caused me issues.Great tip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skattrd Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 One step forwards, several backwards ... I had an earlyish start today to meet RobT (who was collecting the ex-HK Scooby) so a run to Grantham in the Cherokee. All seemed good after the new TPS was fitted yesterday. Smooth power delivery, no jerkiness, yay fixed. I was on the verge of saying the jeep was suitable for me to use work, and earn money. After leaving Rob I headed off to B-I-L's garage to get the jeep on the ramp to have a look/poke/prod at stuff and make sure everything was ok.About 4 miles or so from the garage I got the "death wobble" again, similar to when the nsf brake was locking up, about 250 miles earlier. I pulled over, and went to feel the wheels for heat .. osf was hot. Great, so that's both now that have been playing up. I wasn't in the mood for roadside shenanigans today, so drove slow(ish) to the garage. What was supposed to be a check over of a few things then became a brake examination.... OSF wheel and caliper removed - the pad then proceeded to fall apart. We then phoned around local factors and found one in Boston had some in stock, so I borrowed a Vauxhall and hastily drove to collect the pads. 1.5hrs later I got the Jeep on the ramp and both front wheels off. The nsf pads didn't look too clever either, cracked and scorched, so it's probably good that I'm changing the pads. There was a bit of trouble getting the new pads fitted as the pistons didn't want to compress far enough, but with a little persuasion everything was refitted.On pressing the brake pedal we discovered very quickly that both wheels locked up, solid and wouldn't turn. We couldn't free them off enough so it was drivable. We then discussed stripping everything down and dismantling the calipers/pistons to see what the issue was. I'm now fed up of writing, so TLDW:Pistons not compressing enough, bleed nipples seized solid, hoses have seen better days. We could strip the callipers down, clean, sand, scrape stuff, fight with the bleed nipple, fail to get the hoses off in one piece and still not be happy with the end result. To save messing about I am now ordering 2x new front callipers and hoses to go with the new pads bought today.That'll be another £170 on to the cost of the "cheap jeep" oh and I think a new aux belt might be added to the shopping list. On the plus side, I now have smooth power delivery and cruise control appears to be working.New front brakes should make me a little happier using it as well, they weren't great. RayMK, RobT, Cavcraft and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Those pads look great* I'd be checking the rears too if the fronts are that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skattrd Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 Results on the first 2/3 of a tank, I filled up this morning as I was in town with cheapish petrol ... 215 miles - 48 litres = 20.4mpg Expenditure on parts including new brake parts = £250 £500ish jeep is now £760, plus fuel, plus time, plus collection etc … Cavcraft, bangernomics and Stevebrookman 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMC Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Love these prefacelifts, especially that interior. At the time it drew the most criticism, but now it’s one of the biggest draws over the later ones. Was there a “stealth” special edition? I remember perving over one at a “prestige” used car dealers in the mid-90s (I was 15 so buyage was a dream only) flat4alfa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangernomics Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Results on the first 2/3 of a tank, I filled up this morning as I was in town with cheapish petrol ... 215 miles - 48 litres = 20.4mpg Expenditure on parts including new brake parts = £250 £500ish jeep is now £760, plus fuel, plus time, plus collection etc …That is indeed a pretty chirpy chirpy cheap jeep. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandeth Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 To be fair, I'd be happy to get one that's not rotten and in a usable condition for less than £1500 based on my attempts to get one in the last few years, so it's still not looking too bad. This is the sort of job that almost always seems to wind up on my to do list shortly after buying any car! At least stuff is *generally* pretty easy to get at on these. The Grand Cherokee in contrast has some utterly genius bits of design as I recall in terms of assembly order. I seem to recall a water pump change involving an utterly ridiculous degree of dismantling (for the time!) and much swearing from that corner of the workshop... ...Let me know when you get bored of it... skattrd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minimad5 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Top purchase that man !!When you're selling it, I'll gladly join the queue. skattrd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgeRover Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 TBH the back axle is worth good money on its own, they have a habit of breaking when abused worked hard.Doesn't seem overly dear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skattrd Posted January 27, 2019 Author Share Posted January 27, 2019 I'm not meaning to be sarcastic when calling this "cheap jeep", I sincerely hope this will be a cheap jeep (excluding fuel).I'm using this to keep a rough track of expenditure and show (to myself at least) that a £500 purchase rarely costs just £500. It's got a few dings on the bodywork (some would probably push/pop out) has surface rust here and there, but it appears quite solid and has only done 56k.If I can get it running reliably for under £1k I won't be unhappy and I'll have a usable low mileage Cherokee. edit: I think I'm going to order some new front discs as well, the old ones are ok, but not brilliant. I'm doing everything else on the front brakes, so I might as well go the whole hog and then I can hopefully forget about them for a good while. bangernomics, Skizzer, N Dentressangle and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Dentressangle Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Cheap cars needing sorting out usually end up costing the same as buying a decent one in the first place though, don't they? Mine do, anyway, with the odd lucky exception. Sorting them out is most of the fun* anyway, isn't it? I think the mpg is actually pretty good - a mate had a disastrous one of these a few years ago, and I don't think he broke 20mpg. I think you'll end up with a decent, usable old truck there. somewhatfoolish, Stevebrookman and skattrd 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skattrd Posted January 27, 2019 Author Share Posted January 27, 2019 Cheap cars needing sorting out usually end up costing the same as buying a decent one in the first place though, don't they? Mine do, anyway, with the odd lucky exception. Sorting them out is most of the fun* anyway, isn't it? I think the mpg is actually pretty good - a mate had a disastrous one of these a few years ago, and I don't think he broke 20mpg. I think you'll end up with a decent, usable old truck there. My experience buying a "decent sorted" vehicle usually end up with me in a similar situation to buying a cheap one, ie. I end up spending money sorting it out anyway. I usually start with a cheap one and expect to have to spend a few quid on it, I hope I don't, but that rarely happens.At least if I end up doing the work myself or paying someone to do the work done, then I know how it's been done and when. If I'm lucky I've learnt a bit about the vehicle as well. I've learnt a few bits about the jeep so far. There's still loads I don't know, and hope I never have to learn or find out about Springer, Dan_ZTT, Stevebrookman and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandeth Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Hadn't seen the mileage before - nice find, that'll be barely run in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty45 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 My recent 416 had TPS issues. They'll make a world of difference. I think these look like Volvo 740s on stilts. I like them and I'd like to try one at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty45 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 My recent 416 had TPS issues. They'll make a world of difference. I think these look like Volvo 740s on stilts. I like them and I'd like to try one at some point.And weirdly enough https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1992-VOLVO-740-GL-2-0-ESTATE-7-SEATER-MANAUL-PX-WELCOME-TOW-BAR-940-240/143107320502?ul_ref=https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F143107320502&rvr_id=0&rvr_ts=96236c7a1680a8602eb1cdcffff294c9&ul_noapp=true&pageci=3f9feba1-3ae2-4d5e-a24a-54f394418950&redirect=mobile Ghosty and Sheefag 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavcraft Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Results on the first 2/3 of a tank, I filled up this morning as I was in town with cheapish petrol ... 215 miles - 48 litres = 20.4mpg Expenditure on parts including new brake parts = £250 £500ish jeep is now £760, plus fuel, plus time, plus collection etc … That's still not too bad in the general scheme of things, plus you know how good some things are now that you've looked round and replaced odd parts. Fuel and collection are general costs for any motor so if it doesn't end up shitting itself big time, fingers crossed you'll be ok. Interestingly, it's drawing some reasonable comparisons with this ML. skattrd and Jim Bell 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangernomics Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 I'm not meaning to be sarcastic when calling this "cheap jeep", I sincerely hope this will be a cheap jeep (excluding fuel).I'm using this to keep a rough track of expenditure and show (to myself at least) that a £500 purchase rarely costs just £500. It's got a few dings on the bodywork (some would probably push/pop out) has surface rust here and there, but it appears quite solid and has only done 56k.If I can get it running reliably for under £1k I won't be unhappy and I'll have a usable low mileage Cherokee. edit: I think I'm going to order some new front discs as well, the old ones are ok, but not brilliant. I'm doing everything else on the front brakes, so I might as well go the whole hog and then I can hopefully forget about them for a good while.Bob on it’s my approach too. If it’s staying do it all, saved pulling apart for a while. Do it right do it once. skattrd and Jim Bell 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dome Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 My experience buying a "decent sorted" vehicle usually end up with me in a similar situation to buying a cheap one, ie. I end up spending money sorting it out anyway. I usually start with a cheap one and expect to have to spend a few quid on it, I hope I don't, but that rarely happens.At least if I end up doing the work myself or paying someone to do the work done, then I know how it's been done and when. If I'm lucky I've learnt a bit about the vehicle as well. I've learnt a few bits about the jeep so far. There's still loads I don't know, and hope I never have to learn or find out about Yup, my philosophy exactly. Buy a cheap honest one and not something that's been tarted up. Stevebrookman, Lacquer Peel, skattrd and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Yup, my philosophy exactly. Buy a cheap honest one and not something that's been tarted up. Same here & I'm finally getting it right occasionally. Even if you get an expensive version that's 'had it all done m8' I end up checking/doing all the bits anyway as you can't trust previous owners. Stevebrookman, bangernomics, Skizzer and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled_Tat_Gatherer Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Same here & I'm finally getting it right occasionally. Even if you get an expensive version that's 'had it all done m8' I end up checking/doing all the bits anyway as you can't trust previous owners. This - soooooo much this. Of course - running reports and build threads here are another factor bangernomics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickman Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 This - soooooo much this. Of course - running reports and build threads here are another factor That be the 'dibs' removed from the Octavia then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve79 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 These are GR9 in snow. I'm expecting photos today of this performing admirably! Provided you have omgsnowchaos where you are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skattrd Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 The jeep is at the garage about 20 miles away and I'll hopefully be fitting new brakes today, but, there is no sno here, just ice. Stevebrookman and Jim Bell 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled_Tat_Gatherer Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 …….. new brakes today, but, there is no sno here, just ice. DriftJeepYoMuthas - FTW Studded tyres and a carpark should suffice……….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve79 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 skattrd later today! jonathan_dyane, oldcars and skattrd 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 I had custody of a Cherokee 2.5 for a while, it went sideways for hours when left in 2wd.... skattrd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skattrd Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 I've been to the garage today and changed pretty much all the front brake system on the jeep..First off, remove crusty old brakes: I like working on cars at the garage, not only does it mean I get to work on a lift at a variable height, but it also means I get to use lots of tools I don't have.Cleaning bits: Shiny things fitted, £150 worth of shiny things (new hoses not pictured). After much bleeding, and removal of lots of manky brake fluid we had a good pedal.It will now roll when idling in "drive" and you don't need to stab the throttle pedal to make it move. After a short test drive, the verdict (unsurprisingly) was that the brakes are much much improved. I think mpg could be improved now the brakes aren't dragging at all. We had a little play with the throttle, and found that the pedal still could achieve full throttle with the stretched cable, so that was left alone for now.The cable used on these is unobtanium. I've tried a couple of specialist jeep suppliers and they can't source the correct throttle cable for this .Any suggestions? Mopar? part number is: 52079391 I also tried the green sticky pads to put the rear view mirror back .. they're crap. it fell off after 3 minutes. That was with a nice warm jeep and screen.Suggestions for re-attaching the rear view mirror to the screen would be welcome The Moog, LightBulbFun, N Dentressangle and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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