Skizzer Posted June 3, 2018 Author Share Posted June 3, 2018 Such a fine mobile- would absolutely run one of these as a scruffy daily if I had the readies.Scruffy you say? Here’s one for you: https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/1978-Lotus-Elite-2-0L-Twincam-SPARES-OR-REPAIR-RESTORATION-/292590133958] Asimo, oldcars and mat_the_cat 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiC Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 The description doesn't really show any faults, but says it's spares and repair? Or is it just very likely to crap itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cort16 Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 It’s just really sleepy Dirk Diggler, Uncle Jimmy and egg 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skizzer Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 When Dermist’s mate Escort Greg came round for GammaAid last week (see http://autoshite.com/topic/27925-gamma-coupe-fix-up-mini-meet-progress/?p=1583641)he also had a look at the Elite, which you may recall had suffered Total Electrical Death again after a recent runaround. I’d been studiously checking connections starting at the battery in the boot. Greg is an expert in elecricity and swiftly found this: which is the BFO earthing strap that runs along the chassis from boot to engine block, and which had blown out of its terminal connector. The terminal looks like this: It’s a 10mm diameter cable with an 8mm hole for an attaching bolt, which shouldn’t be hard to source. It needs proper crimping rather than a dab of solder (rolls eyes at previous bodger). CGSB, RobT, RayMK and 12 others 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inconsistant Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Lots of terminals usually soldered. Sudsprint, flat4alfa, Timewaster and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pillock Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 I fitted a terminal like that to a mate's rally car, we decided that crimping wasn't enough so used half a roll of solder and a blowtorch.We did it on his driveway and got it so hot, the little pebbles in the concrete were exploding. Junkman and Lacquer Peel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobT Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Once fixed it'll be ready for the London commute again... egg, Skizzer, inconsistant and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilA Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Double school of thought. Crimp cold-welds the copper strands together and to the crimped fitting. Solder likes to work harden and crack with repeated vibration and heat cycling. Chapman would give you squinty eyes, adding such a heavy metal as lead to a vehicle. Adding it! The nerve! Phil beko1987, Asimo, Skizzer and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 What PhilA said...I'm sure that for automotive use it should be crimped. The caveat is that you need the correct crimping tool, which is big enough to apply the right amount of pressure. ETA, something like this...https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F183099159744 Skizzer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled_Tat_Gatherer Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 I had a similar issue on an Eclat (not mine - a mates).... copious solder was added, but while still under the 'gun' I also twatted the crap out of it with a rubber mallet and the biggest HD flathead screwdriver I could find - pov spec crimping! Skizzer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skizzer Posted August 20, 2018 Author Share Posted August 20, 2018 What PhilA said...I'm sure that for automotive use it should be crimped. The caveat is that you need the correct crimping tool, which is big enough to apply the right amount of pressure.ETA, something like this...https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F183099159744Agreed, I’m on it with the hydraulic crimper. Greg has one for 2,000 amp cables, but it won’t fit under the Lotus’s bonnet. Or possibly into the shed. dome, Talbot and chaseracer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket88 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Double school of thought. Crimp cold-welds the copper strands together and to the crimped fitting. Solder likes to work harden and crack with repeated vibration and heat cycling. Chapman would give you squinty eyes, adding such a heavy metal as lead to a vehicle. Adding it! The nerve! Phil Colin Chapman.....a brilliant engineer, with an almost pathological disregard for the comfort and safety of anyone who had the temerity to drive one of his cars.......also see Issigonis.......... PhilA and Timewaster 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skizzer Posted August 27, 2018 Author Share Posted August 27, 2018 In the last episode’s cliffhanger, our hero was thwarted in his attempt to escape in a shonky Lotus by the main earth cable falling out of its terminal connector... Luckily, just in the nick of time, this arrived from China: A 16 ton (tonne? Who cares) hydraulic crimping tool. That’ll squeeze some sense into it. Bought a bottle of Coke from the garage to clean up the terminal a bit. Turns out to be cherry flavour- identified only by some tiny writing, WTF? If I’d been planning on drinking it I’d have been very upset. Does it still have magical cleaning solvent powers? Yes. Ok the connector isn’t super-shiny, but it was only in the evil brew for 20 minutes and the contact surfaces are clean. I trimmed the cable back with my best motorbike-thief spec bolt cutters and pared back the insulation, then persuaded the cable into the terminal: The crimper has a swivelly head so it was reasonably easy to get it clamped around the terminal. There was a bit of head-scratching before I worked out that the on-off label is on backwards, then it pumped up nicely and gave the copper a 16 ton(ne) hug. Release and withdraw the crimper... ...and the terminal falls straight back off again. BOLLOCKS. Conrad D. Conelrad, richardmorris, DSdriver and 18 others 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Does it come with different size blades for different size crimps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skizzer Posted August 27, 2018 Author Share Posted August 27, 2018 It does, from teeny to London Underground spec (nearly), and the 70mm sq block I used should have been about right for about 9mm diameter. With hindsight 50mm sq would have been better - but now the terminal doesn’t want to go back on the cable to re-try it. I ran out of time - I’ve been working all weekend until today and then I had to get back for family stuff. I will try and source some connectors (can’t be that hard) and have another go next time. RobT and Tickman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I was gonna say you might have used the wrong one. I've bought those connectors before but I can't think were from. Skizzer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skizzer Posted August 27, 2018 Author Share Posted August 27, 2018 I was gonna say you might have used the wrong one. I've bought those connectors before but I can't think were from.With me, SFU* error is normally a pretty safe bet. Tips for connector sourcing welcomed, especially mixed boxes including 70mm sq flavour so I don't have to buy 1,000 of the fuckers off AliExpress. *Stupid Fucking User, in case you’ve never worked on an IT helpdesk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 *Stupid Fucking User, in case you’ve never worked on an IT helpdesk I do 3rd line IT everyday, with almost every fault the quickest fix would be to upgrade the user. jumpingjehovahs and Skizzer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat_the_cat Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Tips for connector sourcing welcomed, especially mixed boxes including 70mm sq flavour so I don't have to buy 1,000 of the fuckers off AliExpress. Here you go!http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.eu/section.php/97/1/terminals-connectors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Snipes Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Electrical factors have them too. It's just a generic crimp lug, not auto specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpareSnare Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Slightly off piste, but I have a childhood memory of Roy of the Rovers driving an Eclat/Elite. Tried to verify it, but I've not found any evidence. Did I just make it up? Sent from my HUAWEI VNS-L31 using Tapatalk Skizzer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asimo Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Slightly off piste, but I have a childhood memory of Roy of the Rovers driving an Eclat/Elite. Tried to verify it, but I've not found any evidence. Did I just make it up? Sent from my HUAWEI VNS-L31 using Tapatalk Google agrees with your memory - if you put "Roy of the Rovers" in as an image search, an image of "soccer star in car smash" and a rolling Lotus is revealed some way down the page of images. I'd post it here but I am at "work" and this PC won't allow image posting. I'll add it later. SpareSnare 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 *Stupid Fucking User, in case you’ve never worked on an IT helpdesk Similar to the code I have seen used several times in the past: PEBKAC "Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair" chaseracer and Skizzer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaseracer Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Agreed, I’m on it with the hydraulic crimper. Greg has one for 2,000 amp cables, but it won’t fit under the Lotus’s bonnet. Or possibly into the shed. We crimped the earth cable to bare chassis, old boy. You need to take the body off... Ghost of Chapman> dome 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcars Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Scruffy you say? Here’s one for you: https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/1978-Lotus-Elite-2-0L-Twincam-SPARES-OR-REPAIR-RESTORATION-/292590133958] F12386E3-111A-40CA-9F08-31C538581C40.jpegBless, its tired and its nodding off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaseracer Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Similar to the code I have seen used several times in the past: PEBKAC "Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair" Alternatively, one of my old favourites... PICNIC: problem in chair, not in computer. groovylee and Skizzer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skizzer Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 Slightly off piste, but I have a childhood memory of Roy of the Rovers driving an Eclat/Elite. Tried to verify it, but I've not found any evidence. Did I just make it up?Sent from my HUAWEI VNS-L31 using Tapatalk Google agrees with your memory - if you put "Roy of the Rovers" in as an image search, an image of "soccer star in car smash" and a rolling Lotus is revealed some way down the page of images. I'd post it here but I am at "work" and this PC won't allow image posting. I'll add it later.You’re quite right...allow me: Looks like an Eclat rather than an Elite, with a rare twin headlamp conversion. Note that the headlamps are popped up but not lit, suggesting a problem with either the vacuum or the electrics - neither of which would be any surprise. Could easily be both, of course. Angrydicky, SpareSnare, garethj and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Similar to the code I have seen used several times in the past: PEBKAC "Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair" ID10T or layer 8 error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpareSnare Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Glad that memory was real.Think an Eclat is a fine choice for Roy. If I'd been a 70's football icon, think I would've gone for something similar. Sent from my HUAWEI VNS-L31 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkNWeigh Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 A slightly earlier one, certainly did JeeExEll and Asimo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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