The Reverend Bluejeans Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I recall that programme where various scrappage morons were being interviewed. One twat was chopping a very, very tidy low mileage K10 Micra in because 'it was 'ready for an exhaust'. Fucking idiot. I know a guy who had a really mint M reg E34 520i. Had it for years and kept it nice. Wanted to chop it for a Volvo C30. Rather than hammering 2 grand off list for a diesel, he got the oh-so-popular 2 litre petrol and scrappaged the 520i. We told him to go to a different dealer and offer £2500 under list for the C30 and I'd give him £500 for the BMW.He wouldn't do it and the poor thing got weighed. I had to laugh last month when he tried trading it in and nobody wanted to know. I think the best bid was 3800 quid. It was about £18'000 new. Cheered me right up. brickwall, Junkman, gordonbennet and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Q Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I can't stand a badly formatted spreadsheet so am currently going through it to standardise the makes and models. I should be able to Pivotchart you all into a beige fury in an hour or two. SambaS, garethj, Pete-M and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skizzer Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 ^Ha! Same here. How sad are we? My tidied up list looks like this: Manufacturer Sum of Vehicles scrappedFord 74,046Vauxhall 47,083Peugeot 32,357Volkswagen 31,893Nissan 28,250Renault 27,179Rover 23,010Toyota 15,145Fiat 14,982Citroen 13,748Honda 10,374Volvo 9,419BMW 7,268Mercedes-Benz 6,081Mazda 5,664Hyundai 4,471Audi 4,380Skoda 4,152Suzuki 3,493Daewoo 3,443Seat 3,090Mitsubishi 3,033Land Rover 2,931Saab 2,734Austin Rover 2,050Daihatsu 1,831Proton 1,393Subaru 1,085MG 929Alfa Romeo 847Kia 813Jeep 786Jaguar 732Austin 662Chrysler 482Isuzu 332Carbodies / LTI 308Freight Rover / LDV 285--- unknown --- 252Lexus 201Triumph 125Morris 118Porsche 101Opel 98Perodua 77Bedford 77MCW / Metrocab 54Iveco 43Lada 35Reliant 34Talbot 24Chevrolet 23Lancia 23Datsun 22Tata 20Rootes Group 18Ssangyong 16Mini 15Zastava/Yugo 12Smart 8Riley 6Asia Motors 6FSO 5Cadillac 5Wolseley 4Pontiac 4Coleman-Milne 4Aixam 4British Leyland 3Lotus 3Standard 2Mahindra 2Rickman 1Douglas 1TVR 1Banham 1Dutton 1Dodge 1RMB 1GMC 1UMM 1Piaggio 1Quantum 1Pilgrim 1Enterprise 1DAF 1Oldsmobile 1Buick 1Holden 1Morgan 1Autobarn 1Trabant 1Marlin 1Mini-Moke 1Grand Total 392,227 I'm also working on a breakdown of the main manufacturers into models. Some lowlights so far: Peugeot is quite sad - 25 505s, 6 504s, at least one 404 (I think the 404 GRDT was probably a 405)Vauxhall also - a Firenza, a Magnum, a Cresta, two Victors and a Ventora19 Ford Cortina, a 1959 Popular, 3 Prefects and a Corsair23 Rover SD1s and 52 SD3s, plus a few P6s1,809 Metros, 167 Maestros and 70 Montegos Gordon Brown's finest hour. NorfolkNWeigh, hennabm and brickwall 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skizzer Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 BTW on my list: Austin Rover = Metros, Maestros and Montegos, including MG-badged variants.Rover = earlier Rovers like the P6 and SD1, plus the 100/200/400/600 and 800 series and the 25/45/75, including their MG-badged variants (ZRs, ZSs and ZTs).MG = Bs, Midgets etc, plus MGFsAustin = older BL and BLMC stuff plus all non-BMW Minis, even the last Rover-badged ones. I've put Princesses in here, although early ones were badged BL rather than Austin.Mini = BINI.Freight Rover / LDV = all Sherpas, even earlier Leyland ones.British Leyland = no other description, so who knows.Morrises, Triumphs, Wolseleys and Standards are listed separately. All Avengers and Arrow cars, plus any earlier Humbers, Singers etc, are under 'Rootes Group'.Talbot = mostly Express vans, plus a couple of Sambas and a Horizon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DVee8 Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 The bloke over the road from me put in a Greg Merc 190 always garaged he had it from new in for a Merc C220d estate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negative Creep Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Who on earth scrapped a Morgan? Even the roughest one with a MOT would be worth far more than 2 grand Partridge and dugong 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lankytim Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Does anybody know what the most valuable car scrapped was? Any E type jags? I want to be outraged, daily mail style. Anybody recall the Triumph Mayflower that BMW was refusing to save? There was a bit of a campaign to save it. If it's any consolation, a few Minors and similar ended up being ringed by using rotten wrecks as ID. Some scrap yards even sold cars minus ID on ebay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warren t claim Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I think I know the Holden that was Scrappaged. It wasn't what you'd expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partridge Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Only 1 XM and 4 Xantias...Nice work Citroen owners laser wheels and raggerminder 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partridge Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I nearly scrap dealed my Jag I had at the time when my wife bought her new Colt. Even though they only offered £1200 in p/x, I took that instead as the car was far to good to be cubed. Yes, I know I'm a sentimental old fool but it felt like the correct thing to do.I salute you, Sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Another example of the brainwashing that New Labour meted out during their time in government. Take money from the public / taxpayer and put it in the hands of foreign car manufacturers. Priceless. Pete-M, laser wheels, Justin Case and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warren t claim Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Are some of these still parked on an airfield somewhere? If they are then there's still a chance of saving a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skizzer Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Only 1 XM and 4 Xantias...Nice work Citroen owners Sadly not. The cleaned-up Citroen list makes pretty miserable reading: Saxo 5,055ZX 2,410AX 2,182Xantia 1,525Xsara 1,263Berlingo 485BX 137C15 130Dispatch 105Synergie 1022CV 98 XM 87 Relay 76Unidentifiable 71 (of which one is just called 'historic vehicle')Visa 4 (not including C15s)Dyane 4 CX 4 C2 4C4 3C3 2GSA 1 No Amis or GS Birotors at least. Mr Lobster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skizzer Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I think I know the Holden that was Scrappaged. It wasn't what you'd expect. Aye, it was a Barina, which Wikipedia tells is a badge-engineered Suzuki Swift or Corsa B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theorganist Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I believe they had a similar scheme in the USA where there was an upper age limit of cars which could be scrappaged?! If the government were serious about the environmental effect which was supposed to be one of the reason for it they would have ensured that 10 year old smokey Mondeos were the main target not a 40 year old car which may do 1.000 miles a year. The fact that it probably did more for the Korean car industry than the British is ironic! richardthestag, AnthonyG and Lacquer Peel 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twosmoke300 Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 On the plus side over 5000 less saxos being driven round kfc car parks round the country Skizzer, greengartside, Uncle Jimmy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacquer Peel Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I believe they had a similar scheme in the USA where there was an upper age limit of cars which could be scrappaged?! If the government were serious about the environmental effect which was supposed to be one of the reason for it they would have ensured that 10 year old smokey Mondeos were the main target not a 40 year old car which may do 1.000 miles a year. The fact that it probably did more for the Korean car industry than the British is ironic!I think the upper age limit was 30 years and it had to be a "gas guzzler". Still a horribly destructive piece of social engineering. dugong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lankytim Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Yes, lots of these are at Thurleigh Airfield in Bedfordshire. Some guy on FB recently flew a balloon over and papped a few. Lots of Minis and FX4 cabs I seem to remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickwall Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Urban explorer types knocked this up. Sad. This is not how you save the planet ot stimulate the economy. http://www.urbexforums.com/showthread.php/12139-Scrappage-Scheme-Grave-Yard-March-2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srad34 Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Knowing the DVLA, its highly likely Brenda in the admin dept sent the SORN list through by mistake, so not so bad* *Probably.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vin Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 This is all so sad. It became obvious when it started that the main 'beneficiary' would be the OAP with the Nissan Micra etc, they'd bought new and cherished and then think the scheme is a money saving*, hassle free way of getting new wheels... :-( I can't believe four MOT'd Fiat 127 Fiorinos were scrappaged. Doesn't sound right to me.... 2 Panda Sisleys gone too... I bought my Sisley in 2009 from Ebay and the seller was threatening to scrappage it against a 500 in the ad. He was an arse and a Derby County supporter to boot. So actually he was a TWAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSparrow Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Even on Top Gear they pointed out that half of the cars on that airfield were probably fine and so to say it was done to help the environment was a lie of biblical proportions. I don't think they can be saved though. It's been talked about on here loads in the past. There's probably several thousand pounds worth of mini parts alone sitting there rotting. The sad thing for me is that most people seem to think it was a good idea. As others have said - in most cases regular dealer discounts would've been more than £2000. PEOPLE ARE THICK. Craig the Princess 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HH-R Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Some of the stuff definitely doesn't make sense that was scrapped, like the old classic BL/Rootes/Citroen stuff for a start - you'd assume they would have all have been enthusiast owned by 2009. The hope would be that they were knackered (but you wonder how badly if the cars had to be MOT'd). Only other reason I can think of is that the owner has had it from new and lives under a rock, just assumes that they're old crocks nobody would want. I don't see why the requirement for the vehicle to be destroyed had to be in place, there was no way any "green" credentials could have been pushed, except to the extremely gullible, after all binning off perfectly usable MOTd cars was downright wasteful. It seems very spiteful. The gov could have reduced the bill to the taxpayer by punting on anything that wasn't completely fooked, maybe get some of their £1000 back instead of getting £100 or whatever in weigh in value (knowing them, the scrappys will have said "I'll do you a favour and take these cars for nowt, instead of charging a disposal fee" and they gleefully accepted). Though the whole scheme is so piss boilingly stupid that I have to wonder how it even came about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSparrow Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 This is going to be controversial but I would rather they were all banger raced that left to rot or be cubed.At least something would've been done with them. Partridge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vin Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Another thing that makes this a sad episode, is that a friend of mine ran a Fiat and Alfa specialists with a car sales forecourt on the front. Most of his forecourt stock good condition main dealer part exchanges and low mileage stuff from his regular customers that he had serviced for them. Eventually he closed it down laying off his workforce, citing scrappage as one of the reasons he closed down - No supply of the sort of cars that he used to sell. He works on his own now, just concentrating on service and repairs, still just Fiat and Alfa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobthebeard Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 New to this thread, and not read it so far, but......All well and good bleating on about how unfair/bad/despicable the scrappage scheme was. Yes, it was bad in the way that perfectly useable cars ended up cubed. But on the open market no bugger would buy them. Try selling a sub £1000 car and enter a world of pain. In Africa, for example, a cheap old car is transport, and needed/valued as such. In the UK it is different. Mostly in the order of 'would love to buy your car, but.... etc etc etc.......'Result = scrapped. Buy em, save em, or STFU methinks. AnthonyG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiperCub Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Was a boom-time for dodgy MoT's too according to a mate of mine in the trade. (He reckoned about a quarter of the ones he saw were clearly on iffy tickets). If you knew the right people, unticketed scrapper could be "MoT'd" then after a month or so (so no comeback against the tester) it could be traded for the 2K and be scrapped anyway. To be honest, not sure where I stand on this ruse, in one way I'm against it, the other, I think, well, what would I do if I had something that was going to be junked anyway? alf892, Mr Lobster, Craig the Princess and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In The Pit Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 The best thing that could happen to these cars laid up on the airfield it that they are left there for at least twenty years and maybe the Government would sell them as they’d be classics then and possibly valuable, being on tarmac would help preserve them. Probably won’t happen mind.THE GOOD NEWS:A small amount of cars that were put into the scrappage scheme possibly found a way out. I know a MKII Escort did, it was an early 4 door Ghia in silver with a rare blue interior it was sold with no plates or VIN and the chassis number was ground off. It appeared very tidy and looked a one owner original car, I’m very pleased it was saved. I’m guessing it may be on a ebay logbook or a Q plate now.THE BAD NEWS:Boris Johnson wants to bring the scrappage scheme back but this time only for diesels, any diesel car over 1 year old would qualify. I can’t see someone with a 12 month old £40,000 Mercedes Benz taking 2 grand to scrap it.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2751365/Junk-diesel-cars-They-health-hazard-scrap-pay-owners-2-000-Boris-tells-MPs.html http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/sep/10/boris-johnsons-diesel-car-scrappage-scheme-could-cost-300m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSparrow Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 New to this thread, and not read it so far, but......All well and good bleating on about how unfair/bad/despicable the scrappage scheme was. Yes, it was bad in the way that perfectly useable cars ended up cubed. But on the open market no bugger would buy them. Try selling a sub £1000 car and enter a world of pain. In Africa, for example, a cheap old car is transport, and needed/valued as such. In the UK it is different.Mostly in the order of 'would love to buy your car, but.... etc etc etc.......'Result = scrapped. Buy em, save em, or STFU methinks. Yeah I get what you're saying. Saves time dealing ebay divs etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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