320touring Posted February 25, 2021 Author Share Posted February 25, 2021 Just now, Split_Pin said: Does it have a Lambda sensor? Aye I think so - hmmm M'coli 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 I wonder if the throttle body is the culprit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M'coli Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Eliminate the distributor and plug leads by getting new ones and slamming the on - this was the cause of my B3 Passat's problems because the insulation had broken down just enough to interfere with the speed signal to tge ecu. "But it's overfueling!" I hear you cry - indeed, with a red label ecu it wouldn't run at all, with a green label ecu (which I suspect this has) it's got better 'in-fill' characteristics and will run but like a bag of shite. Have you checked for any fault codes? It's the old method of earthing a wire on these ones, and counting the flashes from the engine check light. Googly is your friend to tell you how to do it, and videoing it allows you to view it again and again whilst checking what the flashes mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted February 25, 2021 Author Share Posted February 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, M'coli said: Eliminate the distributor and plug leads by getting new ones and slamming the on - this was the cause of my B3 Passat's problems because the insulation had broken down just enough to interfere with the speed signal to tge ecu. "But it's overfueling!" I hear you cry - indeed, with a red label ecu it wouldn't run at all, with a green label ecu (which I suspect this has) it's got better 'in-fill' characteristics and will run but like a bag of shite. Have you checked for any fault codes? It's the old method of earthing a wire on these ones, and counting the flashes from the engine check light. Googly is your friend to tell you how to do it, and videoing it allows you to view it again and again whilst checking what the flashes mean. The plug wires are new (like less than 2 years old - I bought them after we got the golf) Engine check light? It doesn't have one I know of. Also the ECU has a red label ( picture one page back) M'coli 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M'coli Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 If it doesn't appear to have an engine check light, it's either because it doesn't have one or because it's gubbed! I'd say it's the latter - look online for user manuals. It looks like it's the same set-up (including the red ecu) as my old B3 Passat, except it's 1595cc as opposed to 1781cc. I might have to disturb some - ok, a metric fucking shit-tonne - of spiders and try to locate my Haynes manual on pre-OBD2 engine management systems... 320touring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJK 24 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 There’s a relay on these old single point injection VW’s that will leave it running like a bag of spanners / refusing to run at all when it throws its hand in. It was a common issue back in the day on the Mk3 / Mk4 Golf convertible which had this motor too. A friend who has worked on a VW parts desk since the mid 90’s says they used to sell loads of them back in the day. Do you want me to make enquiries? blackboilersuit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 24 minutes ago, MJK 24 said: There’s a relay on these old single point injection VW’s that will leave it running like a bag of spanners / refusing to run at all when it throws its hand in. It was a common issue back in the day on the Mk3 / Mk4 Golf convertible which had this motor too. A friend who has worked on a VW parts desk since the mid 90’s says they used to sell loads of them back in the day. Do you want me to make enquiries? Yes please, no harm in finding out, cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted February 27, 2021 Author Share Posted February 27, 2021 Solved* the misfire and rough running.. That'll be a timing belt that doesn't.. New belt time. I think there is a spare one in the Golf that @Skizzer gave me. If so, will try to get it repaired asap Skizzer, JMotor, Split_Pin and 11 others 12 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split_Pin Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 At least no damage caused and you know that's the problem now. 320touring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skizzer Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 54 minutes ago, 320touring said: New belt time. I think there is a spare one in the Golf that @Skizzer gave me. If so, will try to get it repaired asap Fairly sure you’re right about there being at least one spare belt. I bought two, mistaking the purchasing of parts/tools for actually fixing cars, as is my wont. I believe Alex Lewis in Llandewi fitted one to the Golf so there must be a spare. Nearly there chief. 320touring and Tickman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fumbler Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 On the plus side, the injector was in full view and looks to be doing its job. I was fearing it would be shooting out big droplets instead of finely misting. Fortunately it seems the latter is happening and saves a bunch of cleaning. 320touring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMotor Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Not handy. Then again not the end of the world either. Simple enough fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted March 2, 2021 Author Share Posted March 2, 2021 Having discovered that the timing belt on the Toledo was thinner than Coldplay's writing talent, I undertook to resolve the issue. In the back of my mind, I had seen a timing belt kit somewhere.. but where? Ah yes, in the back of the Golf. Many thanks @Skizzer! Back at base, it was time to tear into the job. First things first, get the water pump and PS belt off. No issues once I sussed out the tensioner. the alternator belt came off ok too - although it didn't look the healthiest.. Next up, rocker cover and top belt cover off, plus spark plugs out for ease of turning. There is a dot on the back of the cam pulley, which should be level with the top of the cyl head when at TDC on#1. This corresponds with the O_T mark on the other face of the pulley. With the crank at its mark - located via a mark on the flywheel, I took a looks at the cam.. A whole tooth out! Right, let's get on with it.. Old tensioner off, and new one ready to go on. To time the engine up, the cam goes to the O_T mark, the cam to it's mark, and the dizzy shaft pulley should be lined up with a notch In the bottom pulley. That meant fitting it back on here. Easy enough to do with 2 bots just to hold it. The cam pulley was moved forward a tooth and the belt and tensioner applied. It's at this point I learned 2 lessons: 1. If you take reference pictures - USE THEM 2. The Dizzy pulley is a nightmare to keep lined up when fitting the belt. When I fitted the tensioner, I put it the wrong way, so the lower belt cover wouldn't fit. We got that sorted after looking at the reference picture. Unbeknownst to us, the Dizzy pulley moved slightly, knocking the ignition timing out, so when we fired it up, it was a bit grumpy. At this point, tiredness and failing light called a halt to proceedings. Back up the next day, and I reset all the timing (as far as possible as my strobe light is nowhere to be found). The result? It lives! Have had it out for a couple of runs - it drives better than it ever has in my ownership - revs cleanly throughout the range and pulls well. However, The bogging still persists at idle and full throttle 😤 I am now thinking ignition system ? loserone, stripped fred, Tepper and 17 others 19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M'coli Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 On 2/25/2021 at 9:09 PM, 320touring said: The plug wires are new (like less than 2 years old - I bought them after we got the golf) Engine check light? It doesn't have one I know of. Also the ECU has a red label ( picture one page back) Ok, it looks like you were right! I'd expect it to be between the battery light and the fuel light (that's where the glow plug light goes on diesels). 320touring and Jim Bell 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 At least that's answered😀 M'coli 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M'coli Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 So, there has to be another way of reading the fault codes: this isn't an advanced system, thus it has to be relatively simple, but Seat technicians had to find a way, under warranty, of finding out what had fucked up that didn't require replacement/substitution of every sensor just to find the one in question... Fluffiness at idle and WOT? Have you checked what values/voltages the TPS is saying at these positions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted March 20, 2021 Author Share Posted March 20, 2021 @cms206 alerted me to a post on a Facebook group yesterday... Here's a story in 3 pictures... SUPER INTERNET CELEBRITY!!!! Skizzer, MorrisItalSLX, Floatylight and 23 others 7 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted May 2, 2021 Author Share Posted May 2, 2021 Nothing much has been happening with this of late .. It's managed a heady 28.8mpg on the last tank, but is still running rich. As it's the only functional car at the moment I have been reticent to do much to it, lest I be blessed with an FTP. It's done Unit duty a few times since we have been allowed out to play Here it it at a VAG only breakfast.. It was also out to play with a 205 owned by a mystery* shiter.. Said 205 was LOVELY! today it was treated to a hoover out, the door shuts cleaning a cursory glance at fluid levels, and the replacement of the spark plugs by some that were found during a unit clear up We're about 300 miles into this tank, and still have 1/4 of a tank left .. It's still going alright Lacquer Peel, crad, Jim Bell and 15 others 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaypee Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Was sounding good when you were giving it the beans! 320touring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted May 9, 2021 Author Share Posted May 9, 2021 Interesting times, after the spark plug change, the last tank was 31.11mpg.. Some progress. I'm starting to think I may have to see if I can get the lambda sensor out though, as it's still rich. Lacquer Peel, Jim Bell, jaypee and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split_Pin Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 Ultimately that, together with a shite spark was the issue with the Cavalier. M'coli and 320touring 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted May 15, 2021 Author Share Posted May 15, 2021 I decided to be bold today... And actually try to make this a bit nicer to drive. 2 main issues: 1. That droning noise 2. Hunnerts of exhaust rattles. First up, the noise. The cunning plan was to strip down the rear hubs and check the wheelbearing conditions. If anything looked bad, then replace it. I was being pragmatic, and minimising the likelihood of ending up in a situation where the car was made immobile whilst I was 40miles from home. Starting with the left rear: Marvelling at how that seed got there.. A check of the overall arch condition - the shell is solid. Damper looks tired and the brake line could do with replacement. Split pin removed and the 24mm nut ready for removal On these, the nut should be just past finger tight - any more and the bearing will wear prematurely. Drum removed. The shoes looked ok, and the wheel cylinder is nice and dry. It got a hosing down and clean with brake cleaner. The bearings were checked for roughness, and found to be ok. I cleaned them and repacked them with fresh grease. All back together and with the wheel on, it span silently bar a light drag of the brake shoe. Happy, I moved to the other side: Again, arch is fine, the damper looks tired, and a new brake line could be a plan First impressions suggested that this side was the same.. However.. There was a brake shoe that had popped it's retainer luckily it went back together ok The bearings were checked, and the outer one on this side was very tired. Time for a new one. All back together and it was silent.. hopeful, I turned to the exhaust. First up, there was something hanging down at the rear: That'll be the heat shield for protecting the fuel tank then.. the retaining clips had failed. I engineered* some using the ideal cable ties for the job, and had it sorted quickly. The correct clips are cheap, so I have ordered some, and will fix it properly when they arrive. They look like this Once finished, the back looked ok The only thing left to do was to adjust where the centre box sits so it didn't hit anything. The end result was a much quieter drive home. To thank me, the fuel gauge has now gone intermittent. Bloody thing cort16, DoctorRetro, Split_Pin and 19 others 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernaut Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 The rear tyres look a wee bit low... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted May 15, 2021 Author Share Posted May 15, 2021 Just now, Supernaut said: The rear tyres look a wee bit low... They do indeed. Another thing for the list... Fuck sake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaypee Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Excellent stuff dude, sounds a lot better than it did! Quieter for sure! 320touring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxWomble Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 A bit late in the day, @320touring but I discovered this gem on Google the other day, before I’d even read this forum! From the Citröen Club of Slovenia I think, bless them! (Hope it works, I haven’t actually checked if it has your model but it may well have the same system listed) https://www.citroen-klub.si/CitDocs/XM/Haynes_Automotive_Diagnostic_Fault_Codes.pdf 320touring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted May 20, 2021 Author Share Posted May 20, 2021 What happens to this car has always been ruled by my heart, rather than my head.. Despite an initial £51 purchase price, it's had Full new clutch kit and new engine gaskets/seals A full cat back Exhaust New timing belt and a load of other sundry parts.. Today, this sound fiscal approach was continued by the addition of £200 worth of tyres to the £51 car. I had uhhmed and Ahhed about my options, spending time pouring over sites on line to identify the best option in the frankly tiny 175/70/13 size required. Several options were considered, and I settled on the Falkein Sincera - it had really good reviews everywhere, and it had A rated Wet grip. I was all set to press buy on black circles, but called up the local tyre place on the offchance, as they were listed as a fitting partner. £240 on Black circles became £200 going direct - most pleasing! They called to say that the tyres were in, and when did I want to come? It was 3.45pm, and I figured they'd be wanting to get loused.. Nope - "can dae them fur ye the day" Smashing I rocked up, and to his credit, the first words out the boys mouth were "Where do you want me to jack it". This is why I use them. Locations agreed, and it was time to get it in the air Comments included "Fuck me, these are light" and "Aww, look at the little drum" The tone changed when the wheels went on the machine: "FUCK ME, that wheels better than almost everything we get in here - look at it" Happily, this was the story for all 4. very little weight was needed at all to balance them, and they were stuck back on with a torque wrench check. Look at the tread! The blocks are soft enough you can push them with your finger. One of the old tyres was a 1998 date code😳 The boy said to me "d'ye want Tae keep a sticker?" So it is now mounted on the socket set. For the puggit lickers amongst us (of which there are many), have a bonus 306 cab picture CreepingJesus, Tickman, privatewire and 27 others 30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skizzer Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Great to see this getting some more love. It may only have cost £51 but it’s priceless because it’s just about the sole survivor of its kind — just look at the Malaga and Ronda for the alternative outcome. It’s the Seat equivalent of the little seedling in Wall-E. CreepingJesus, LightBulbFun, wuvvum and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beko1987 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Looks smart on the new rubber, that'll make all the difference! 320touring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted May 20, 2021 Author Share Posted May 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, beko1987 said: Looks smart on the new rubber, that'll make all the difference! I'm a bit scared as I drove it like I stole it already... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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