The grumpy thread

6,671 · January 23

All this fly tipping is down to private "recycling" sites that will only take stuff they can make a profit on & councils who will only empty a light bin with the lid closed.

4,349 · January 23

1 hour ago, FakeConcern said:

I went out for a ride this morning and this had appeared at the side of the road

This afternoon while we were trimming the hedge in our front garden we found a black plastic bag of dog shit stuffed into our hedge.

What's wrong with these people?

Does your local council tip has BS rules for dropping things off? No vans, max weight, etcetc?

If yes, there’s your answer unfortunately

14,068 · January 23

1 hour ago, Jazoli said:

Utter pikey scumbag wankers.

1 hour ago, myglaren said:

There seems to be a bit of an epidemic lately

Hundreds of illegal waste tips operating in England - including 11 'super sites'

14 minutes ago, sheffcortinacentre said:

All this fly tipping is down to private "recycling" sites that will only take stuff they can make a profit on & councils who will only empty a light bin with the lid closed.

13 minutes ago, IronStar said:

Does your local council tip has BS rules for dropping things off? No vans, max weight, etcetc?

If yes, there’s your answer unfortunately

I'm sure the reasons posed above contributed to the crap dumped in front of some poor farmer's gate that they'll have to remove to access their field, but here's the thing a few years ago we built a new kitchen for a friend in Brighton and one afternoon loaded our Volvo V70 to the roof with the rubbish and drove to the local tip at about 3.30pm only to find it closed early for some reason. We could have driven to a remote farm track and dumped it but as we are normal human beings we unloaded the fucking thing (admittedly with some swearing) and then re loaded it another day and took it to the tip. Like any responsible person with any kind of empathy or community spirit would do.

The same kind of thing applies to the dog shit in our hedge, we live in a fairly affluent middle class area and yet some dog walker thought it was fine for someone else to dispose of their dog's excrement for them as they couldn't be bothered.

Nowadays so many people think only of their own convenience rather than having any connection with their fellow citizens and I assume if they were walking their dog outside my house they live nearby and the fly tippers must be within easy reach of the farmer's field they blocked with their crap.

As I said what is wrong with these people?

14,614 · January 23

A woman this afternoon sat in a Mercedes, in the middle of the road, stuffing something in her fat face and chucking litter out of the window.

Most of the footpaths between villages and through parks are well decorated with water bottles, pop bottles and cans, beer bottles and cans, wine and spirits bottles and plenty of other assorted crap from the likes of McDonalds, Costa, Tim Hortons, Starbucks, Greggs and other food outlets. The closer to the shopping centre the worse it gets. Also all the discarded shopping trolleys slung in among the trees and dumped over bridges.

And dog shit of course.

14,068 · January 23

3 minutes ago, myglaren said:

A woman this afternoon sat in a Mercedes, in the middle of the road, stuffing something in her fat face and chucking litter out of the window.

Most of the footpaths between villages and through parks are well decorated with water bottles, pop bottles and cans, beer bottles and cans, wine and spirits bottles and plenty of other assorted crap from the likes of McDonalds, Costa, Tim Hortons, Starbucks, Greggs and other food outlets. The closer to the shopping centre the worse it gets. Also all the discarded shopping trolleys slung in among the trees and dumped over bridges.

And dog shit of course.

A few years ago when fast food outlets opened new branches, they employed someone to go and pick up all the discarded packaging. What happened to that idea?

And as for dog shit, well...

1,913 · January 23

1 hour ago, FakeConcern said:

some dog walker thought it was fine for someone else to dispose of their dog's excrement for them as they couldn't be bothered.

They could still be bothered to pick it up in a plastic bag rather than just leaving it where the dog dropped it. But probably they thought they might be seen failing to pick up their dog's shit, so they did so for the performance of caring and then disposed of it in the hedge when nobody was watching.

Somehow that makes it even worse.

14,974 · January 23

People. AGAIN 😡

Now, I'm not interested in the slightest in buying anymore vehicles, I was just idly browsing when I spotted this:

So this twat wants £1500 for this Rover 820. He can't be arsed to get the log book or at least do some very simple online research to understand what he is actually selling.

I mean, fucking wow, WHAT, the ACTUAL FUCK, is going on with these utter dickheads today? What is going on? Seriously. Can someone explain this to me please?

You've got a bunch of angry arseholes spoiling for fights, then calling the police when their arses get kicked. Then you've got utter twats who literally cannot be arsed to make an effort to understand what they are actually selling. Worse still, many invite offers and lose their shit when you chuck them an offer that isn't close to what is actually shoved away in their tiny minds.

I can only predict that soon, we'll have a world of angry twats knocking themselves out whilst trying to put on socks, and sales adverts where there is nothing but a blurry photo accompanied by a description thus: "Got dis fing yeh.. i'ts blu oi finkwant 2000pownds for it".

Wow. I want off this world please.

3,037 · January 23

7 hours ago, cobblers said:

consumer rights blah blah, the parcel is not your responsibility until it's handed to you or a person at your address.

Stuff left unattended is left at the risk of the shipper.

Their customer services people /AI bots will be taught to say "No mate, it's marked as delivered, your problem now" but that's not how it works in the eyes of the law.

If you paid by credit card, get onto them and do a chargeback.

If you paid by debit card, threaten the seller with escalating it to the small claims court via MCOL.

It's all a ballache that you shouldn't have to put up with, but 97.8% of modern life is a ballache that we shouldn't have to put up with.

Basically here to say the same thing @Zelandeth

It doesn't matter what the retailer wants to believe - if you didn't receive it, they haven't fulfilled the delivery (unless you signed away your rights by nominating an unsafe 'safe place').

By being boringly, methodically relentless, I've always managed to get this kind of shit resolved. As @cobblers says, it shouldn't be necessary, it shouldn't have to even be argued - but it is, and when you do it, you win.

Just keep reiterating - you never received it.

7,409 · January 23

3 hours ago, myglaren said:

There seems to be a bit of an epidemic lately

Hundreds of illegal waste tips operating in England - including 11 'super sites'

Is the biggest one Birmingham?

23,421 · January 23

11 minutes ago, Lord Sterling said:

Wow. I want off this world please.

People have always been shit. You just see more of it when everybody can post everything online for free.

Same with fly tipping and dog shit. Lack of local community means low chance of retribution and its not your place so fuck it.

70 years ago you'd probably know most of your neighbours personally, frequent the same pub and work in a local industry.

Not really a situation where you want to risk fucking people off.

14,974 · January 23

5 hours ago, FakeConcern said:

I went out for a ride this morning and this had appeared at the side of the road

This afternoon while we were trimming the hedge in our front garden we found a black plastic bag of dog shit stuffed into our hedge.

What's wrong with ~~these~~ people?

I usually love to try and answer sociological type questions. But I am seriously at a loss to try and make sense of it all. Maybe this is the start of me losing my ability and passion to understand what society is about? Maybe society is moving too fast?

Something has happened to our society. It's broken and people are broken.

Laziness, lethargy, the lack of interest in actually doing anything useful or gaining knowledge seems to be king amongst many these days.

'Fuck it, its someone else's problem' seems to be the main driving attitude now. These days I see more and more examples of people not wanting to take responsibility for thier own actions. Its just shocking.

The dumped stuff there reminds me of an oft-used road in Birmingham called Scotland Lane which goes around the Northfield Reservoir. The Reservoir itself is actually quite nice and has a potential to look very nice. Unfortunately, its surrounded by weeds and overgrown vegetation. The sides of the (very wide) road are overgrown and usually strewn with rubbish and illegally dumped rubbish. Its a popular spot for it. Old carpet, old fridge freezers, tonnes of black bags are a usual sight there.

14,974 · January 24

9 hours ago, Pieman said:

Is the biggest one Birmingham?

It really is an epidemic and it won't be easily solved.

Why are there little to no arrests over these?

Because of the 5-minute "throw away" society we have become. We have become a 5-minute consumer society, once it becomes unfashionable, its gets chucked away, despite probably being perfectly serviceable.

Everything is new and neatly packaged in plastic and cardboard and there is now tonnes of it everywhere.

There is little to no frames of reference in the education of recycling. Education costs money which is now generally a 'no no' in the realms of government spending. So people think this is just a bin to chuck whatever shit into it not understanding what "re-cycling" actually means.

A large proportion of society have lost that 'make do and mend' attitude we once had.

Because of this, the usual waste facilities cannot handle the vast amounts of consumed rubbish and therefore, the illegal operators are a useful, but unofficial short term solution until they are not, when a proper solution is found and/or a legal waste operator is willing to put their hands in thier pockets and expand, then maybe it'll be worth it to the powers that be to arrest the illegal operators.

4,461 · January 24

50 minutes ago, Lord Sterling said:

sales adverts where there is nothing but a blurry photo accompanied by a description thus: "Got dis fing yeh.. i'ts blu oi finkwant 2000pownds for it".

You've been on the Dundee car sales pages then....

Littered with ads where sellers cannot even be fucked getting their arse off the seat to take a pic of the car, and usually if they can, it's from a filthy window in their house. Sometimes they'll even put the effort to zoom in a bit.... And the actual description? LOL

'Van 👍🏻'

If you're lucky, you'll get

'MOT, Runs ok'.

You're getting spoiled if they bother to say

'Needs a bito weldin'.

Seems like a lot here have even stopped wanting cash, they only want 'Surrons' Apparently an E-bike.

Cannot be fucked with any of it. Or anyone.

6,671 · January 24

Fly tipping/rubbish is down to, once it's not here/on my property it's not my responsibility & councils etc similarly don't won't the hassle ,expense of dealing with it either, only difference is they can legally sherk the responsibility of dealing with it on to the public.

The whole world post COVID has just got more selfish/arrogant, it comes from the top & filters down you've only got to see the rich & powerful on the news , monkey see , monkey do as the saying goes.

In the old days the privileged had the decency/brains to hide their wrong doing, but now they don't have to care.

1,832 · January 24

2 hours ago, Lord Sterling said:

People. AGAIN 😡

Now, I'm not interested in the slightest in buying anymore vehicles, I was just idly browsing when I spotted this:

So this twat wants £1500 for this Rover 820. He can't be arsed to get the log book or at least do some very simple online research to understand what he is actually selling.

I mean, fucking wow, WHAT, the ACTUAL FUCK, is going on with these utter dickheads today? What is going on? Seriously. Can someone explain this to me please?

You've got a bunch of angry arseholes spoiling for fights, then calling the police when their arses get kicked. Then you've got utter twats who literally cannot be arsed to make an effort to understand what they are actually selling. Worse still, many invite offers and lose their shit when you chuck them an offer that isn't close to what is actually shoved away in their tiny minds.

I can only predict that soon, we'll have a world of angry twats knocking themselves out whilst trying to put on socks, and sales adverts where there is nothing but a blurry photo accompanied by a description thus: "Got dis fing yeh.. i'ts blu oi finkwant 2000pownds for it".

Wow. I want off this world please.

I suggest going to view, walking notchalantly round the car a bit then say you'll buy it but "I have the £1500, but I can't be bothered to get it all out, so here's £50, use your imagination for the rest" and see if he likes the approach😅

21,364 · January 24

12 hours ago, FakeConcern said:

I went out for a ride this morning and this had appeared at the side of the road

This afternoon while we were trimming the hedge in our front garden we found a black plastic bag of dog shit stuffed into our hedge.

What's wrong with these people?

Maybe the answer is that we allow councils to charge more business rates and use st money to fund free at the point of use waste recycling centres.

Why are people dumping rubbish? Because they have to pay to do it properly. Why dont they pay to do it properly? Because they'd make less profit another job and its probably closed when they finish for the day and its too far away. Why dont they charge more? Someone else would get the job. They probably are charging more but they have bills to pay and want to make more profit (untaxed cos cash in hand)

So either employ more investigators to search through the rubbish for clues or have a free 24 hour tip.

Oh and scumbags too.

9,143 · January 24

Councils here havent helped things by making visits to all council tips by appointment only.

We have to go online and fill in a booking form with a time 15 minute slot and reg. number of vehicle etc. Cant just turn up any more.

Doesnt excuse it of course, but it certainly wont do anything to reduce the problem. If people are already on the edge of " cant be arsed" this kind of nonsense wont encourage them to dispose of stuff properly.

January 24

9 minutes ago, Bradders59 said:

Councils here havent helped things by making visits to all council tips by appointment only.

We have to go online and fill in a booking form with a time 15 minute slot and reg. number of vehicle etc. Cant just turn up any more.

I don't even object to the concept of having to book in advance, providing that you can book for the same day or at least the following day.

Here, it's typically a minimum of two weeks ahead that you need to book, which is absolutely useless frankly. It isn't due to massive demand either given that there is rarely more than one or two cars there when you do visit.

Couple that with a move towards three weekly bin collections and an increased fussiness about what they'll accept in the bin, and it should be no surprise that things will end up being fly tipped.

14,614 · January 24

Our local councils (Gateshead and Sunderland) are very accommodating. It is necessary to book a time but is quick and easy to do so. There are usually plenty of same or next day slots, more through the week, fewer at weekends and bank holidays when everyone wants to go.

They are also very good at collecting bulky items that many find difficult to transport themselves.

Yet still they dump stuff needlessly.

7,949 · January 24

I've just popped into Spoonies for a breakfast, as its next door to the motor factors.

Fuck me, I've missed the 1 day where using cutlery in a civilised way disappeared.

Not one person under 40 can hold or use a knife and fork correctly.

2,341 · January 24

11 hours ago, Lord Sterling said:

Something has happened to our society. It's broken and people are broken.

Yes. This. I work with the general public and this is particularly noticeable post pandemic.

It doesn't help that people are often promoted into positions of responsibility-often without the necessary skills and experience.

That is a real morale breaker as I'm sure many of you have observed or experienced.

I can give an example. I was verbally assaulted and threatened at work. I went sick on duty and reported the incident as above.

Yet the title of the 'investigation' paperwork was titled 'behaviour' and the 'Officials report' was heavily weighted against me.

Now most of my colleagues are broken or resigned to this shit, however I challenged it and months after this all kicked off, my grievance appeal was successful.

I would be surprised if this was unusual in general and the industry I work in is known for it's toxic environment.

4,349 · January 24

People have completely lost the plot

Last night I had a guy wanting to fight me for crossing the street 😄 Light turned to red as I was mid street, and he flew on the conditional right. Brakes, starts acting like an utter idiot. and wants to fight me. He’s two sizes smaller than me and has a wife and two kids in the car. I offer to take him up on it and explain how traffic lights work, and he pulls up a fucking cop badge. Starts threatening arest and calling for backup.

No fucking wonder half the city is covered in ACAB graffiti…

18,962 · January 24

2 hours ago, Anthony said:

I don't even object to the concept of having to book in advance, providing that you can book for the same day or at least the following day.

Here, it's typically a minimum of two weeks ahead that you need to book, which is absolutely useless frankly. It isn't due to massive demand either given that there is rarely more than one or two cars there when you do visit.

Couple that with a move towards three weekly bin collections and an increased fussiness about what they'll accept in the bin, and it should be no surprise that things will end up being fly tipped.

Tight restrictions on council tips don’t help but I’ve seen items like mattresses dumped in the countryside, where they must have driven past at least one council site.
Real problem is there’s a minimal chance of being caught, and even if you are, the fine will be way less than the money made from illegal rubbish collection, so it will continue.

39,171 · January 24

2 hours ago, myglaren said:

It is necessary to book a time but is quick and easy to do so.

Sorry to play semantics but it's not necessary at all. It's the COVID smokescreen still being deployed. "We listened to your feedback and you told us you liked booking appointments for the tip" and other such bullshit. The reality is it's about creating deliberate friction in a bid to ultimately slow the tide of waste they have to deal with. You are, of course, able to avail the council of their generous collection service which creates revenue. Running a ~~rubbish dump~~ recycling center does not. It's the same as every IT contractor who has a Hilux or whatever and is now no longer allowed to go to the tip as it's a commercial vehicle. Tell me that the tech-bro in his checked Gant shirt trying to dispose of a single box of old Christmas Decorations is in the trade. It's fucking nonsense, but we put up with it because we're limp-dicked meek lemmings.

Whenever you see a problem like fly tipping, you have to chase the problem right to the very source. And if it was free for tradesmen to ditch their shit, and simple to just turn up and chuck (as it is here in Cambridgeshire) then you'd see huge drops in fly-tipping.

I don't even get annoyed about it now. I see a pile of shit in a layby, I just laugh. The council - after all - come and get it in the end. So who exactly is winning?

27,903 · January 24

46 minutes ago, BorniteIdentity said:

pile of shit in a layby, I just laugh. The council - after all - come and get it in the end. So who exactly is winning?

Totally agree about this part where one department of the council are making using the tip harder work in order to make their figures look better and just pushing the problem onto another department, but it's not always the council that have to move the stuff -If it's dumped in a farm entryway, the farmer has to shift it, often at great cost to himself.

Many of the laybys you see are technically private land and the council will be very quick to point that out if they're tasked with coming to collect a load of dumped stuff.

Some of the council tax avoiding "fast talker" community dumped a tipper load of stuff on lane to a farm not far outside our village, mostly plasterboard but it was mixed in with all sorts of random household stuff etc etc. Farmer had to scrape it up and sort all the gypsum from the shitty nappies himself, otherwise it'd have cost him nearly grand to dispose of. In the end it took him all day, £50 in diesel and £275 in fees.

People had reported it to the council who "helped" by reminding the farmer that it was hazardous waste and if he didn't shift it sharpish then they could start enforcement proceedings against him.

My answer to stuff like this is to tax the cost of disposal onto the *purchase* of stuff like oil, plasterboard etc, and make all the tips as free and easy to use as reasonably practical

7,004 · January 24

On 16/01/2026 at 13:47, Sir Chocolate Teapot said:

First time in 40 years happened actually on the road.

4 brand new tyres 8 weeks ago.

Happy i am a " always spare in the boot" guy

How did you manage to puncture it from the inside?
I had 2 unrepairable punctures in December 😩

16,146 · January 24

51 minutes ago, cobblers said:

Totally agree about this part where one department of the council are making using the tip harder work in order to make their figures look better and just pushing the problem onto another department, but it's not always the council that have to move the stuff -If it's dumped in a farm entryway, the farmer has to shift it, often at great cost to himself.

Many of the laybys you see are technically private land and the council will be very quick to point that out if they're tasked with coming to collect a load of dumped stuff.

Some of the council tax avoiding "fast talker" community dumped a tipper load of stuff on lane to a farm not far outside our village, mostly plasterboard but it was mixed in with all sorts of random household stuff etc etc. Farmer had to scrape it up and sort all the gypsum from the shitty nappies himself, otherwise it'd have cost him nearly grand to dispose of. In the end it took him all day, £50 in diesel and £275 in fees.

People had reported it to the council who "helped" by reminding the farmer that it was hazardous waste and if he didn't shift it sharpish then they could start enforcement proceedings against him.

My answer to stuff like this is to tax the cost of disposal onto the *purchase* of stuff like oil, plasterboard etc, and make all the tips as free and easy to use as reasonably practical

My answer would be to get medieval on the fast talking community. And anyone else who fly tips.

Anything else is just part of the modern trend of refusing to enforce the existing laws, while levying charges on legal activities, or enacting extra laws whose main effect is to put the law abiding to a load of extra trouble and expense.

I agree with making tips easier to use.

3,388 · January 24

Grump but also sad.

Saw this Focus 3-door in my local scrappers. 2001 on a Y, 1.6 pez in Zetec trim. Colour is ‘Aquafrost’. I think it’s done about 62k so fairly low mileage.

Sadly the sills are crispier than a spring roll from the Chinese. I wish I knew how to weld. I hate seeing things like these go to waste, three door as well for bonus rarity. Needs a lot of paint and a lot of TLC but that’s all part of the fun, right?

1,913 · January 24

6 minutes ago, greengartside said:

I wish I knew how to weld.

That would be a really good, not too complicated, low stakes vehicle to learn on.

5,413 · January 24

2 hours ago, artdjones said:

My answer would be to get medieval on the fast talking community. And anyone else who fly tips.

Anything else is just part of the modern trend of refusing to enforce the existing laws, while levying charges on legal activities, or enacting extra laws whose main effect is to put the law abiding to a load of extra trouble and expense.

I agree with making tips easier to use.

Apparently the max fine for fly tipping is £500. It's a deliberate breaking of the law and should be £5000 minimum and confiscation of the vehicle used.

The country and courts are too soft on deliberate crimes IMO.

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