dollywobbler Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 I don't see a thrust bearing in your pics. Was that changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Bo11ox Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share Posted March 8, 2015 Certainly was! Dont think theres owt worng with the cable tension as i detached and reattached it during the job and its not mega tight, was able to remove and fit it by hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaseracer Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Anyhow, I have a gearbox for you, from that 1994 MPi 214.It's still "in" a front cut I have stashed in the field. It's been there for about three years, but it's had a bonnet over the engine bay, so it's not like it's been in a hedge for yonks or owt. Feck. If we'd known two weeks ago, I could have delivered it (Testes lives about 12 miles from me). Time machine, anyone...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Bo11ox Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share Posted March 8, 2015 Krujoe, that front cut offer sounds ace, let me see if I can find a trailer to collect it with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_earwig Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 I was thinking to suggest removing the cable and trying it but that's gotta be in the gearbox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 I was thinking to suggest removing the cable and trying it but that's gotta be in the gearbox. I do wonder if it's worth disconnecting the cable, then trying to start it in gear to see if it then drives. I find it odd that a gearbox fault could cause just a bit of drive. I would have thought it'd either drive or sound like a Simca with no oil in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Bo11ox Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share Posted March 8, 2015 Yo Kruj!!!! Any pics of the sawn-off Rover?? Just to help me gauge what trailer I need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the judge Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 I do wonder if it's worth disconnecting the cable, then trying to start it in gear to see if it then drives. I find it odd that a gearbox fault could cause just a bit of drive. I would have thought it'd either drive or sound like a Simca with no oil in it.This. Disconnect and start in gear dude. You need to discount the clutch operation system first. If it bites grand,adjustment is odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmund Fraud Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Mr.B, I suspect that your box has suffered the usual PSA box crownwheel failure. The crownwheel and diff are not bolted together, they are a press fit (with some fairly minute teeth machined between them to prevent them from moving in relation to each other). That's absolutely fine for a 1100cc TU in a lightweight AX, but with larger engines in heavier bodies, the assembly isn't beefy enough and the crownwheel begins spinning independently of the diff. The result is complete lack of forward motion (in the earlier stages, you can have forward motion if the car is moving down a slope but a pronounced clutch slipping effect when on the flat or going uphill). So I reckon the fault is in your gearbox. One option is to dismantle the whole lot and MIG the two bits back together. Back in the day, hot 106/Saxo owners would do this in advance, to prevent the problem. Another option is a new gearbox, should be less hassle in the short term but nothing tells you the new gearbox won't develop the same problem in the future. My old BX14 went through two replacement boxes in 20K miles... scruff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Bo11ox Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share Posted March 8, 2015 Hey thats very interesting, cheers SF If the broken gearbox can be repaired with a MIG that sounds mega (I.e. total cost £0) although I would have a fear of loads of springs and ballbearings falling out as I opened up the box. Are you aware of any online guides for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 There you go. Proof you should never listen to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethj Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 If it's possible to do without removing the crownwheel from the pinion then maybe it's worth a try with the MIG. If you've got to set up the backlash again that's a more skilled job, although maybe worth a try with your local yellow pages to see if they can do it? Then at least it'll be a known good gearbox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmund Fraud Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 You're far more likely to find a guide for the MA box than the R65, so minor details will be slightly different. There used to be a couple of guides in the 106/Saxo forums, but I couldn't find anything with a quick google. I did find a suggestion that the old 205 Haynes manual had a proper MA box rebuild section, rather than the "just take it to a garage" recommendation of the later version. There's a couple of them on the 'bay for under £5 : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KruJoe Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 I'll take a tape measure and a camera up the field to that front cut. Stand by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KruJoe Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 It's 161cm wide at the sills. Length is about 170 to that cut around the gear lever, which could be removed and cut shorter. We have a choice of trailers you could borrow, but that would be a pain returning it. Or do you want me to ask Will if fancies doing a veg-powered delivery for £beer? We're at BD23. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Bo11ox Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share Posted March 8, 2015 Hey Kruj!!!! If there is any resonable way for Will to veg it down to me that would be amazing cos i am gonna have to borrow a trailer from someone and lose a day coming to get it and I'm not sure when I'm gonna have time to do that. Obv I would pay for such a service. I'm at DE6 (home) and/or CW5 (workshop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Bo11ox Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share Posted March 8, 2015 NB. I also need an 'unsmoked' rear light like this one if you have one in your stash: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KruJoe Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 I think I have a good one for LHS, I'll check. I've fired off a message to wor Will about delivery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Reverend Bluejeans Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Years ago I had to fix a similar issue with a slipped ring gear. There was NFW I was taking the gearbox out (can't recall what car it was but it was an auto. Possibly a Golf Mark 2) but I used some method of cutting a hole in the bellhousing about 2 inches across to enable me to belt the ring gear back on with a hammer and long socket extension before migging the bastard on. A similar trick could be used here. But: -make sure the hole is at the top, well above the oil level. -swill the box out with paraffin -Find some way of plugging the hole again. Where is the drain hole on this? If it's in the diff area you may be in luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twosmoke300 Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 ^^^ really ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Bo11ox Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share Posted March 8, 2015 Like your style there Rev BJ!!! Flippin great, I love stuff like that. I hav found a pdf of a the Rover R65 overhaul manual and it doesnt look too hellish to get it to bits enough to get a mig on the diff. I think I am gonna get this 'sawn-off' off Kruj and strip the engine and box out of it ready. Then i think i am gonna remove the box from mine and attempt to open it up and repair it. If, as is likely, the repair goes pear shaped I can just fit the replacement box. Jim Bell, Vince70 and Sigmund Fraud 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethj Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 The only way this thread could be better is if Mr_Boll rigs up a webcam for the next phase Cavcraft, Vince70, chaseracer and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_earwig Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 And at the end we could give him marks out of ten for his swearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lankytim Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Can't you just stick it in 5th and floor it for 5 mins so it welds itself together? Alexg, mouseflakes, Mr_Bo11ox and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twosmoke300 Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Not that disimilar to how some gear bits are made ( smiley transit 5th gear hub comes to mind) and I'm sure some Honda engine valves are made in 2 bits and joined like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_earwig Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 That's an idea. Maybe drain the oil out of it first to stop it cooling the crownwheel/catching fire. Oh, and watch for it suddenly accelerating across your yard and ploughing into your gazebo. I once saw a filum of them making train axles like it too, both halves are machined and then the halves are put together and spun until the heat welds them together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KruJoe Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Reg_B, I have a good back light for you - fiver for that ok?Will has replied with some positive noises, possibly for Weds pm or Thurs... I told him to chime in here when he gets off work tonight.Your CW5 workshop is probably easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Bo11ox Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share Posted March 8, 2015 OK ace!!! well I'm at work through the day but could get up to the workshop by about 5.30-6pm on weds or thurs. £5 is a BWARG Got the latest Ms_Nutz visiting next weekend (the one with the reliant robin engine). Think I might give her a 'stripping' job sorting out the sawn off if its here by then! I'm not in any gasping hurry TBH if Will wanted to wait and combine it with some other tasks. Coprolalia and KruJoe 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey spud Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Years back i had an f reg 820 towed in to the workshop with no drive and like you got the lads to change the clutch (that looked ok) only to drop it off the ramp to find it still didnt move. I asked the owner what happened and he said he was on a steep hill pulling away from the kerb on right lock when it just as he thought popped out of gear but it had not. I didn't piss about and just put another box in it. If its a pug box i did a factory course on those back in the day and they are easy enough to strip down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saucedoctor Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Any use? Rover R65 Rebuild Guide.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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