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The further adventures of a Shitestang........................


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#601 OFFLINE   JeeExEll

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 11:55 AM

Or,
on voltage setting, measure volts to a good earth at the open suppressor-connector, (measure with ignition on). Looking to confirm 12 or 13V, exact figure not important.

Cut the burnt wire back near the loom, somewhere easy to work but eliminating all of the grotty wire, then measure for volts at suppressor end of wire again (ignition on).
Should hopefully now be zero volts.

Connector at the suppressor does make things easier for you.

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 01:20 PM

Sooooooo!!!!

Photographic Evidence!

Many Cable Ties had to die in order to complete this rare footage :(


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Anyway here is the Damage you had already seen and picking at it it appears its just that one wire :)

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So where the site of the lower Flamage was heading towards the regulator I started to unwrap tape

And discovered more of the same at the lower of the photo :(


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I then started to pull the wire out of its trunking to discover rather new looking tape dont you think? And unplugged the Regulator and all those wires look suspiciously new..................

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I never bothered checking ohms at the suppressor as there is clearly something amiss with the wiring anyhow and its also most probably the reason the other wire burned can you spot it?

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So I started following it up towards the firewall think OMG this goes back inside the car somewhere :(

But then spotted a thick bundle taped up,havnt opened it yet but think its a factory splice?

Can you also spot the mystery Item in this photo that should be carrying out something else?


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Yes its our old friend The Fusible Link!

And on the diagram it connected to something so I thought I would see if it would reach from there?


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And it does...................

That rubber plug in the pic is the other end of the Fusible Link it should be on that Suppressor but the suppressor is clearly joined to the regulator with new standard wiring :(

So if theres an overload with no link to melt what melts next?

After the tape where the splice appears to be under the wiring is all nice and clean


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so my guess here is that Fusible Link is buggered,somebody bridgeed the connection to the suppressor at the regulator with regular wire,the circuit overloaded and burnt the nearest think wire it could find????

I need to check both ends yet as it may not even be connected anymore?

If the if all that wiring was doing was linking the regulator to the fusible link at the splice and they jumped it down at the regulator end that might of just been left there no longer working but an eyesore that needs to be removed.

Or if its still connected it needs to be replaced,I will chip away at it and keep you all posted

Oooo I feel Like Nancy Drew!


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Posted 13 April 2018 - 01:33 PM

Go Jo

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 02:25 PM

That looks promising for an easy-ish fix.


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Posted 13 April 2018 - 03:21 PM

Looking at this photo near the splice it looks like its got the big fat wire too :(

But thats the only place so might be easy to sort out still?

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 04:01 PM

Aso found the the Fusebox and Wiper Motor now ;)

Fusebox is find Gas Pedal and travel upwards for approximately 300 miles :shock:

What were they thinking?


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And the Wiper Motor too ;)

Which aint working either :(

Seems to have a Contact Breaker for the Wipers Contained in a Glass Fuse hope you can still get them?


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Posted 13 April 2018 - 04:03 PM

That looks promising for an easy-ish fix.

Hoping so the thick wire looks like its gone too now but only in one spot.........................

It certainly doesnt look like multiple wires though...........................

 


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Posted 13 April 2018 - 04:14 PM

That fat yellow wire looks more like rodent damage than melted in the photo.  Perhaps it looks different in person?  If it's just a nibbled casing you should be able to wrap it individually to protect it.


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Posted 13 April 2018 - 04:32 PM

whs ^^ ;) get a toothbrush on that yellow wire, does it look nibbled. easy fix. check for no more nibbles in the vicinity


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Posted 13 April 2018 - 07:34 PM

And the Wiper Motor too ;)

Which aint working either :(

Seems to have a Contact Breaker for the Wipers Contained in a Glass Fuse hope you can still get them?


 

Are you sure that's not just a blown fuse of largish amperage?


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Posted 13 April 2018 - 07:49 PM

Are you sure that's not just a blown fuse of largish amperage?

Its on the diagrams as a contact breaker and strangly enough in HBOL it shows the Circuit Breaker as a Metal Can even Rock Auto show it as such but I have a fuse? The metal can type  have offset pins so it wouldnt even fit in a fuseholder?

Suppose I should pull it out and see what it actually is?


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Posted 13 April 2018 - 08:12 PM

Nothing to add right at the minute Jo but that Novita 552 thing googles out as a flasher unit.
A CB for the wipers is a new one to me but we can find out more. Can't think what CB means. Maybe it means a feed to a relay which switches the wipers. Will check it out.
(Check that wiper fuse tomorrow or whenever you're at the car next. It's just a standard glass fuse).

What's state of play with that burny wire?

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 08:23 PM

Nothing to add right at the minute Jo but that Novita 552 thing googles out as a flasher unit.
A CB for the wipers is a new one to me but we can find out more. Maybe it means a feed to a relay which switches the wipers. Will check it out.
(Check that wiper fuse tomorrow or whenever you're at the car).

What's state of play with that burny wire?

Looking at it tomorrow ,The Bottom flasher is the Hazzards the top the Blinkers,Oooo Listen to me coming over all Merican..............

I just fancy some Biscuits and Gravy.........................


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Posted 13 April 2018 - 08:26 PM

To be continued.

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 01:25 AM

It may be in the loom somewhere- bimetallic overheat shut off- kills current to the wipers if they get jammed (eg ice or heavy snow).

My headlights have a similar device and it was crap and broken. New one was $3, mine is in a hanging plug randomly in the loom near the fuse box.

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 12:22 PM

Todays Update!

Soo Far..............................

Unpicked all the wiring and there is just one burnt wire that runs from the splice to the regulator plug.

RIP Much Loom Tape.................................


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It had melted onto the jackets of some other wires notably a red wire which I need to find if its burnt through to the wire or its just charred the surface once I unpick the bits of charred yellow insulation stuck to it!

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Since the battery was totally diconnected I did so continuity tests the burnt wire still has good continuity dispite having no jacket right the way along its length and a reading of about 02.0 ohms.

The fusible link I measured that from the splice to its end good continuity about 01.2ohms

This mess which I wasnt sure was more burned wiring and others thought had been Critter Lunch just turned out to be the Factory splice ;)


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It looked worse as I think the burning wire melted the loom tape but not the splice ;)

when I say good continuity to the end I couldnt get continuity at the bullet end but stabbed the jacket just behind it.

I do wonder if it had a dirty connector and they mistook that for a blown fusible link?

Anyway as though it looks like when the circuit overloaded as there was no fusible link it cooked that wire instead???

Not sure what to do now do I reconnect the fusible link with a new connector? and disconnect that non fusible wire and replace the burnt wire?

Might just get the sparks in to do it as not sure how it joins to the splice? Think its soldered?

But it does just look like one wire gone ;)

Just popped inside for Lunch but this afternoons job is to replace these sad Puppies with Junkman Approved Units running on Greenwich Mean Time ;)

Looks like the passengers side is original,very finest GEC ;)


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Just look at all the crap I found behind the Bezels!!

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Drivers side is another brand and they have been in there recently as the void around it is relatively clean :)

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Well thats all Folks for now!

Stay Tuned................................................


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Posted 14 April 2018 - 12:33 PM

Looking good..Just remember when this was built, the yanks quality control was about the same as Longbridge on any given day!!

 

still its lasted this long, so was probably cherished somewhere in its life!!

 

 

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 12:58 PM

^ Check 1st April posts for idling v8-vids.
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Posted 14 April 2018 - 04:15 PM

Last update for today

Headlamps Changed :)

In Wired up but not checked as yet as the battery is disconnected until the Electrical Gremlins are at bay :ssch00101:

Took the old sealed beams out and found lots of mud,dead spiders and dried out hornet nests :shock:


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I really wanted to derust and paint the bowls but need to get this moving towards an MOT it will be done once its on the road.

Anyway I evicted the Spiders Dead Hornets and their nests and gave everything a good wash and cleaned up the connectors.


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The time has come to fit the JSI (Junkman Standards Institute) approve lighting!

In the great words of Art Garfunkel

Bright Eyes....................................................

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No Photos but removed the rear seatbelts,they dont work either and my MOT tester said it doesnt need them because of its age..................

Who am I to Argue??????????

 


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Posted 14 April 2018 - 04:28 PM

That's looking more and more good on the wiring front.  Is it a plastic nose cone on these?


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Posted 14 April 2018 - 08:25 PM

That's looking more and more good on the wiring front.  Is it a plastic nose cone on these?

Yes plastic or Fibreglass and ive discovered today it looks like it had rubber bumpers?

Wondering how I go about painting them if they are ?

I actually though they had Fibreglass bumpers.


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Posted 14 April 2018 - 11:06 PM

My car has moderately flexible plastic outer numbers with a big yellow foam inside piece, which is bonded onto the bumper irons.

Probably similar construction on yours, the whole federal crash regulation nonsense kicking in.

Don't see many GE car headlights, Sylvania a lot of so that makes sense.

Continuity on wiring is good figures. Would suggest what has previously been suggested and get fitted a maxi-fuse holder. Modern parts and the bits that are designed to get hot and burn up aren't in the vicinity of any other wiring, are contained so there's no fire from burning plastic etc.

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 01:15 PM

My car has moderately flexible plastic outer numbers with a big yellow foam inside piece, which is bonded onto the bumper irons.

Probably similar construction on yours, the whole federal crash regulation nonsense kicking in.

Don't see many GE car headlights, Sylvania a lot of so that makes sense.

Continuity on wiring is good figures. Would suggest what has previously been suggested and get fitted a maxi-fuse holder. Modern parts and the bits that are designed to get hot and burn up aren't in the vicinity of any other wiring, are contained so there's no fire from burning plastic etc.

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Probably get the sparks in to do it Phil ;)

Does that Suppressor just feed the radio?

If he fuses that and I loose my radio if it pops its no biggy

Tires are getting looked at tomorrow as I have slow leaks (rotted valves I think?)

Once the wiring is sorted will just be modifying the tray a little to make the battery sit down and get a tie down and if may just move under its own steam then :)

Then I have to get all the lights working properly,wipers and washer and pray for an MOT.................................
 


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Posted 15 April 2018 - 01:19 PM

Even without the suppressor the radio will work, all they do is get rid of alternator whine through the speakers. They used to be pennies to buy in car spares places (they are all the same) dunno if they are quite as easy to find these days.



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Posted 15 April 2018 - 02:05 PM

Even without the suppressor the radio will work, all they do is get rid of alternator whine through the speakers. They used to be pennies to buy in car spares places (they are all the same) dunno if they are quite as easy to find these days.


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Posted 15 April 2018 - 03:17 PM

Just trying to work out if it needs a fusible link at all? there are two Diagrams,the one here and the one in my Haynes Digest this one says it has a Fusible link the one in Haynes says no.................................

The Diagram here says my burnt wire goes from the Batt Terminal on Alternator to the Wire Splice,whereas the diagram (below) from HBOL shows Black wire from Batt Terminal to Wire Splice and and the burnt wire from Splice to Regulator then out to suppressor

Sorry if im being thick here but is the Yellow/White Dot wire an input or output to or from the Regulator?

Beginning to think the Fusible Link/Suppressor being were that terminates to ground is not the reason it lit up?

Its been overloaded but can anybody looking at the daigrams guess why it may of?

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 05:44 PM

Extra fuses are rarely a cause for concern, better to have one and it blow than melt the wiring without one.
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Posted 15 April 2018 - 05:55 PM

Just trying to work out if it needs a fusible link at all? there are two Diagrams,the one here and the one in my Haynes Digest this one says it has a Fusible link the one in Haynes says no.................................
The Diagram here says my burnt wire goes from the Batt Terminal on Alternator to the Wire Splice,whereas the diagram (below) from HBOL shows Black wire from Batt Terminal to Wire Splice and and the burnt wire from Splice to Regulator then out to suppressor
Sorry if im being thick here but is the Yellow/White Dot wire an input or output to or from the Regulator?
Beginning to think the Fusible Link/Suppressor being were that terminates to ground is not the reason it lit up?
Its been overloaded but can anybody looking at the daigrams guess why it may of?https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t...


Belt and braces. It's your pride* and joy*, don't let it become a bonfire for the sake of a couple of quid of fuses.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 01:22 PM

One step forward four steps back!

Or should that be tyres?

Tyre place came out today to Balance,Seal,and fit new Valves.

First tyre went ok the other 3 were full of tyre slime and the beads had fallen to bits on them you could just pick them off :(


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So Ive had to bit the bullet they are coming out on Wednesday and fitting 4 new tyres and the one decent one is going on the spare (which is ancient!)

I really wanted Firestones on them but the only Firestones they can get in that size now are low speed rated Fuel Saver tyre so instead we opted for Maxxis which is what was on my Yellow 95 ;)

Cheaper and better speed rating and grip and come with free damage insurance.

The Wishbones and brakes dont seem too bad though I do have a split boot on my track rod end so ordering some just incase ;)


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Meanwhile Sam caught sight of a Decal in the sunlight that was never removed from that driver side Beige Winning Fender..............

For extra Win it turns out this wing was scavenged from a Fuel Sipping 2.3 Four Banger Pinto engined model!


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Extra Win!


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 04:02 PM

Have to admit the car is really getting me down now :(

Need to get it through an MOT before these new regs and everything and I mean everything just keeps throwing spanners in the works :(

I am in this long term im not afraid to invest its just trying to juggle everything in a very short timespan because the goalposts keep getting moved :(

its the little things that are causing the most trouble at the moment i dont even know if itll pass with these daft seatbelts or if I can even get the wipers working?

And I cant get an Auto sparks out this week now :(


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