The grumpy thread

[purplebargeken]

Not sure I would actually be physically able to flounce.

 

Anyway...... Today I was at the lock up. I was clearing out the garage that contains the Toedlo with the TR7 engine. All good so far. I was also clearing out the Rover 75 parts that filled the i10 to the gills. Still good.

 

The 340 was about to be viewed by a forum member who likes the idea of it.

 

All going really rather well.

 

Now, the place where the lock up is located is a yard/carpark space which serves two blocks of non-highrise flats. There are very large communal bins, well four of them. They are rather full. Smelly too.

 

I realised that I could not find the keys to the i10. I looked and looked, so did my mate. Nothing. Zilch. It was getting darker and the clouds were getting thicker and darker too. Keys were nowhere to be found.

 

I realised that I may have inadvertently thrown the keys in the bin with my rubbish. Cue me searching through the bins, not happy and having to grit my teeth.

 

I thought.... one more quick look in the car before I start emptying the fucking huge bins.

 

Lo and behold. There were the keys. 

 

I'd looked there and so had my mate. WTF? 

 

I went and bought 20l of bleach to bathe in. 

 

However, I saw a Citroen C5 operate it's suspension trickery. That made me happy

[Guest Hooli]

Sorry Ken but that made me laugh.

[3VOM]

Currently on hold to the old bill as someone has nicked the number plates off the Golf.  Or at least they've nicked the front and most of the back.  Don't know if it's just petty vandalism or something more nefarious, but think I'd better report it to be on the safe side.  Just what I needed.

You've possibly just bought £100 of diesel and driven off without paying.

You are doing the right thing reporting it.

[strangeangel]

Fuck them, if someone wants a flounce let them, its hardly the end of the world 

 

It's a shame when someone who actually posts interesting stuff goes, though. Did you read Dave_numberz' thread about his DIY head skim on that manky pick-up thing he owns? Top drawer shiting, that is. Now compare that with the shit posted by the half-a-dozen or so blowhards who come out of the woodwork every time there's a thread to ruin in the open forum.

 

And, as Dave correctly posited, these same people are the ones who never post anything about cars (or mopeds, or tractors, or stationary engines, or anything that's actually shite related). I know who I'd rather be rid of, thanks.

[chaseracer]

And converting the MGF to LHD, having driven it from Geordieland to the south of France?  Proper shiting.

[Jazoli]

It is a shame to lose knowledge and members but if someone can't just ignore stuff they are not interested in, or agree that others may have views different to theirs maybe reading a forum that is open to all is not the best place for them, and flouncing just makes you look silly, because no-one really cares anyway.

 

I post very little about shit as I don't really own any but its still interesting to read others stories and tales of woe, this place will never end up like the utter wanker infested pistonheads (I'm also on there but only post in the BB bit) the rest makes my head want to explode, but I don't flounce and leave the site because of all the other shit that is on there as I have some good mates on there, its called having a sense of perspective.

[strangeangel]

In the main I like the open forum - it allows space for people to post stuff about old tools, lawn mowers, obsolete stereos, shit computers, vacuum cleaners etc - all the sort of things that are in keeping with the AS ethos. The anorak thread is inspired, too - some excellent collecting habits have been 'fessed up to in there.

 

But, FWIW, I think Max is right - let's fuck the religion and politics off. AS will be all the better for it.

[BavarianRetro]

The moderation of it is a total fucking joke.

 

The UK politics thread was interesting and good humored with some intelligent, well informed discussion in with the bollocks - locked for no reason I can think of.

 

The "Shameless Cars and Girls" thread doesn't upset or offend me, but, FFS even the Sun has realised that that stuff - and some of it was more "Knave Readers' Wives" than "The Sun" - is not appropriate nowadays, yet it lives?

 

Embarrassing rather than offensive.

 

Leave the Open Forum alone. Completely unmoderated. If people don't like it, they can ignore it.

[The Moog]

Puma has started grinding turning left.

 

Which is going to be fun trying to fix tomorrow in the slush outside. Fuck sticks

[BorniteIdentity]

no, I am talking about the entire fucking forum and the dross its full of.

 

Its like your favourite pub. You go there a lot, you know the regulars and the regulars know you. Shared interests and common outlooks on life mean easy conversations flow on all manner of topics. Its comfy.

 

But it changes. There is no one event that causes it, and its not a sudden thing - its a slow, creeping and unstoppable change. One day you look around the bar and realise that the people you are interested in listening to, the people you can be bothered conversing with have reduced in number, with the old faces not showing up as often as they used to. Those that are left are slowly drowned out by aggressively arrogant arseholes, smug "better than you" cunts and tedious facebook wankers.

You catch sight of yourself in the mirror behind the optics and see that you have changed too....times change and people move on.

So you down the last of your pint, place your glass in the bar and walk out the door. You might look in from time to time in the future to see if things go back to the way they were, but you dont hold out much hope.

 

This is me finishing my pint.

See ya.

 

Kbai

[warren t claim]

I can't believe my innocent thread about a popular subject for debate can cause so many problems. I happily set out my own point of view in the opening post knowing that others will have a different view and wasn't offended when others expressed a different opinion.

[strangeangel]

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Kbai

 

Oh, the irony. How many times is it now that you've flounced - remind me? And yet, sadly, you're still here.

[chaseracer]

The moderation of it is a total fucking joke.

 

Yeah?  Fucking deal with it... 

[Parky]

I hope Dave Numbers comes back, he has posted some good stuff and as previously mentioned his DIY head skim with wet and dry paper and a sheet of glass was hugely inspirational.

 

And I didn't think the threads in question were particularly contentious. One ten minute trip with a London cab driver would have contained much more controversy on the death penalty and Politics than we had in the threads but I respect the mods decision. Maybe both had the potential to turn nasty so perhaps it was merely sensible preventative maintenance?

[chaseracer]

They were already turning nasty and the arguments had been made (and remade).

[AlabamaShrimp]

I don't get it. It's been said loads of times 'if you don't like it don't read it' but still people go into threads they know they're going to have an issue with, get I'm a mood, either with the content or certain posters, then they sod off.

 

What are we meant to do or can do to stop that other than closing/banning certain topics or closing the open section entirely.

 

Personally I don't think that either should happen. We're meant to be adults. We don't have to agree on anything and always felt part of the appeal of this site was that we could be open with each other, ask anything about anything and get a reasonable answer or the piss taken but there was an understanding that underneath we were all on the same side.

 

Lately this hasn't been happening. Why I don't know. Some people says it's the ones that don't post about our cars but what if we've nothing to post about our cars?

 

For example on a personal level. It's winter my 950 hasn't moved in a week and when it does it'll be a bit jumpy but then as good as always. The Frontera has shitty mpg but just keeps going with no work needed and the ST is a modern can't keep a thread going with that.

 

What's the answer then? I don't know, I do know though that flounceing off isn't it.

[BavarianRetro]

Yeah?  Fucking deal with it... 

 

QED

[chaseracer]

You dish it out, be prepared to take it.

[BavarianRetro]

I'm more than prepared to take it.

 

The point I was making - and I really didn't expect to have to explain it - is that your response simply proved my original point.

 

Not only that, there was no justification - not that there needs to be - for closing the threads, nor any explanation why the "Cars and girls" thread is immune.

 

[AlabamaShrimp]

Please don't turn this thread into a personal argument. Lol I tried that the other week when someone got on my tits and I had to apologise to everyone the next day

[BorniteIdentity]

Oh, the irony. How many times is it now that you've flounced - remind me? And yet, sadly, you're still here.

Mostly just to annoy you.

 

Suck me beautiful.

[D Spares & Tyres]

I never understood why more people don't just ignore threads they don't like instead of deliberately reading them & becoming angry.

Or maybe just let people be adults and if they see something that they disagree with then understand that everybody is entitled to have a different opinion?

RIP free speech.

 

RIP davenumbers. Another good contributor gone

[Dirk Diggler]

A great forum; sullied by some seriously mouthy cunts

 

If they behave the same way in real life, those that have to deal with them must live in constant rapture*

[Sheefag]

So I'm grumpy as fuck right now. Last week they asked us to work this coming sunday to which I said I was unavailable. Yesterday morning I get called into the office and get the boss screaming in my face and threatened with being sacked immediately. Now, I know he can't do that but 'cos I'm a fucking wimp I folded and said Id go in but right now I'm fucking furious with myself. I really need to stay in this job, if only to finish my NVQ which will open up innumerable doors and basically double my wage, but I don't think I could look myself in the eye knowing I let that old bastard bully me into doing something I had every right to decline. 

 

I could simply not show-up on sunday, which would feel fucking fantastic and screw the job completely as I have the keys to the site but it could jeopardise everything I've worked for these past 5 years and invested nearly £5000 in to, and cost me what is 99% of the time a very good job. But it would also mean I'm basically a fucking coward who is unable to stand-up for himself. 

 

I suggest you go in on Sunday, you've got bigger fish to fry. I'm happy to ring the cunt if you like and tell him his fucking fortune...

[eddyramrod]

Bosses are like that, it's normal.  It isn't even a recent thing, it's something that's always been the same and always will, simply because they know they can.  I've had a couple of chunks of it this week, including today, to balance having last weekend off (Friday, Saturday, Monday) to see my grandsons in Inverness.

[Parky]

Do you have an HR department or is it a small company where your Boss is the entire operations department?

[Sheefag]

Seriously Rusty, keep your eye on the main objective and the main prize. Being smart and doing the right thing sometimes may involve swallowing your pride but it doesn't change who you are.

 

And I will ring the cunt if you want!

[SiC]

I've said this all before but another forum I'm on has a similar section to the open forums. To prevent problems they have a set of rules. If you break those rules then you gain warning points.

 

When that happens you can't post on that forum for a short period (couple of days). This allows people to cool down, prevent snap replies and prevents things getting out of hand.

 

Too many points and you loose access to post at all. You need a minimum of 50 posts before you can post on the forum to prevent multiple accounts being made to circumvent this restriction.

 

Warning points can be appealed on an open forum if you feel it was not fair.

 

Generally seems to work well. Especially considering its a huge (millions of users) forum covering very wide type of people from around the world.

 

Overall rules for this forum are here:

https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/wlist.php

Main content rules:

https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/wlist.php?do=post

Special rules for the open style forum:

https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?454305-Special-rules-for-this-forum

 

Ones that seem to have the most effect are no personal attacks, no trolling, no deliberate posting of content to intentionally annoy, no provocation and no racism.

 

I think if something similar was implemented, moderation would go up initially but then settle back down soon enough. It will also allow the good discussions to go ahead without the flammable threads that happen.

 

I often have a browse of the threads on there and occasionally post on one at the start but see it get out of hand and abort out of it. It gets very ugly and not pretty quickly at times.

[Captain Furious]

Unless the rules are not having a different opinion to the moderation team, none were broken.

 

If anything in those two threads were enough to warrant someone having a breakdown and flouncing off then I really fear for their ability to cope out in the real world

[wuvvum]

I've always thought that being a football manager must be one of the most frustrating jobs in the world.  You're doing a stressful job which is very much in the public eye, and which every fat middle-aged bloke in every pub in Britain could do a whole lot better than you, and isn't afraid to let it be known.

 

I imagine being a moderator on this forum is quite similar, except without the money.