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[auntiemaryscanary]

On my route to/from work.

The blue one is a new addition in the last 2 weeks. I thought the other one hadn't moved for several months (I think it has sofa cushions etc in there) but it wasn't there one morning but then back again later.

I wasn't born when the MoT was introduced but I imagine most cars over a couple of years old looked like the front one.

[lesapandre]

Heralds tended to last pretty well from new. Outer panels stayed not too bad - what got a lot of them was the chassis which rusted out unseen and that was the end when they weren't worth anything much.

[dozeydustman]

I made a purchase.

Robert Dyas have an online sale and knocking these out for £55.

I’ll hopefully get it assembled at the weekend.

[loserone]

They do a usefully sized 20t* one for £105 too

[High Jetter]

Under pressure?

[lesapandre]

[Metal Guru]

7 hours ago, lesapandre said:

SUV news:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/11/ever-rising-height-car-bonnets-suv-threat-to-children-report

In other news, fire is hot and dangerous and beer gets you pissed!

[dozeydustman]

13 hours ago, loserone said:

They do a usefully sized 20t* one for £105 too

Was showing as not in stock when I bought the smaller one, otherwise I’d have got that instead. I think the only pressing in and out will be a few bushes as I intend on polybushing the 205 at some point, and 6t was enough for a very jammed in wheel bearing recently on the same, an impending job I need to do on the Scénic though. 

[SRi05]

MOT pass for the big beastie today, a nice way to celebrate it's 21st birthday. 

Into its 5th year with me now, I was contemplating swapping it for something a lot newer (and more economical) but it keeps soldiering on being completely dependable. 

Early 00's Hondas 4 lyf

[captain_70s]

£140

Oof. 🥲

[Split_Pin]

Time to address the 75s non working skooshers. 

Tons of shite flowing out

That'll be why:

 

[High Jetter]

27 minutes ago, Split_Pin said:

Time to address the 75s non working skooshers. 

I'm quite impressed with those pumps,  first I'd come across that spin one way for front washers and the other way for rear, neat. Only come across that on 3-phase stuff before.

[High Jetter]

Flight to London gone down in India, apparently, today

[Mrcento]

54 minutes ago, High Jetter said:

Flight to London gone down in India, apparently, today

Very interesting footage out there for anyone that's a bit of an avgeek.

Can't rule out some kind of mechanical/fuelling issue, but it looks awfully, awfully like pilot error, incorrect takeoff configuration.

Doesn't look like the flaps were deployed, and the fact they never even got the landing gear up (creating more drag) pretty much shows they'll have been getting warnings seconds after leaving the ground (before the positive rate call). Pilot tried to fight it (in a panic) brought the nose up (creating even more drag) and probably had the throttles firewalled/toga active, but not enough airspeed and nowhere near enough lift with flap settings wrong, and also not enough altitude gained to bring the nose down to try to generate some. Horrendous.

There is a small chance it was a trim issue and the nose going up was out of the pilots control at that point, but it all looks more consistent with takeoff config not being correct.

[juular]

12 minutes ago, Mrcento said:

but it all looks more consistent with takeoff config not being correct.

It does seem that way, although they did issue a mayday which makes me wonder if there was another issue causing the incorrect configuration. 

Would a 787 even get airborne within the runway length without flaps? 

The gear still being down suggests an amount of distraction.

[Mrcento]

10 minutes ago, juular said:

It does seem that way, although they did issue a mayday which makes me wonder if there was another issue causing the incorrect configuration. 

Would a 787 even get airborne within the runway length without flaps? 

The gear still being down suggests an amount of distraction.

I guess there is a chance of some kind of electrical issue impacting the controls/indication etc, but it just all looks like they've got to V1, rotated and immediately got a ton of warnings and found the initial lift was vanishing/airspeed dipping as they climbed and ended up in a panic, hence landing gear, call, nose coming up etc

[Wibble]

Yes, flaps a major issue but an experienced pilot, so raises many points to investigate. May they rest in peace.

Oh, and always book seat 11a.

[wesacosa]

2 hours ago, juular said:

It does seem that way, although they did issue a mayday which makes me wonder if there was another issue causing the incorrect configuration. 

Would a 787 even get airborne within the runway length without flaps? 

The gear still being down suggests an amount of distraction.

It shouldn't even get to full throttle up at the start of the runway without a warning it the plane was not configured correctly for take off

[Wibble]

12 minutes ago, wesacosa said:

It shouldn't even get to full throttle up at the start of the runway without a warning it the plane was not configured correctly for take off

But the plane doesn’t know it’s not configured correctly for weight, or runway length. Featured many times on air crash investigations.

[Wibble]

33 minutes ago, Wibble said:

But the plane doesn’t know it’s not configured correctly for weight, or runway length. Featured many times on air crash investigations.

But yes @wesacosa, there should have been many warnings and alarms, if flaps etc were wrong, for normal take off,  although I don’t think full throttle was an obstacle, just not a help with the configuration sadly. Time will tell, sadly.

[Mrcento]

35 minutes ago, Wibble said:

But the plane doesn’t know it’s not configured correctly for weight, or runway length. Featured many times on air crash investigations.

Also things like humidity or altitude of the runway can make an error in calculation they'd be able to recover into a massive one that isn't saveable. Definitely seems like if there was no systems failures, they realised something was up almost instantly given they didn't even attempt to raise the landing gear (suggesting alarms were going off all over the place and they never really established a positive climb)

There's a lot of conflicting info out there, some say it took off fairly normally (up to a point), some say it used up all the runway, hard to tell from the CCTV footage.

Seen some footage of it with audio and it doesn't sound 'right'. Almost sounds like the RAT is deployed, albeit it isn't visible in any of the clips and hard to tell. but it 'could' point to an electrical failure if it was indeed the case, but for one that catastrophic at that point so soon after takeoff (or at least past decision speed) to knock every system out at once would be almost unheard of.

[barefoot]

RAT?

[Supernaut]

16 hours ago, captain_70s said:

£140

Oof. 🥲

I'm assuming there's five £20 notes inside that wee box...?

[Stinkwheel]

12 minutes ago, barefoot said:

RAT?

Ram Air Turbine, as below

Gives some power if electricals and batteries fail

[Slowsilver]

15 hours ago, High Jetter said:

I'm quite impressed with those pumps,  first I'd come across that spin one way for front washers and the other way for rear, neat. Only come across that on 3-phase stuff before.

My 1999 Vauxhall Zafira does the same. The original pump failed (after 25 years) so I bought a replacement from ebay. No indication on the pipes to the pump of which was front and which was rear so I carefully marked the pipe positions on the original pump before removal. Piped up the replacement pump exactly as before and guess what. Front switch now operates rear washer and vice versa. New pump obviously rotated the opposite way for the same polarity. Attempted to reverse the pipes and managed to break off one of the very fragile pump to pipe connectors so had to buy yet another new pump. Grrr!. Fortunately they weren't too dear (about 7 or 8 quid IIRC).

 

[Momentary Lapse Of Reason]

2 hours ago, barefoot said:

RAT?

"Dropping the RAT" in aviation has a different meaning to the toilet meaning ...

[jonathan_dyane]

Thanks @Dave_Q @Bear @SiC for advice and assistance.

I managed to get an old dead windows 8 laptop back up and running with 32bit Windows 7 thanks to Bear gifting me the discs and managed to obtain dodgy eBay VCDS and VAGTACHO. These allowed me to replace my knackered instruments in the Golf.

The diesel VDO ones were £££ (well like £60) so I bought some petrol ones for £20. They seem to work fine except the EPC light has replaced the flow plug light and the rev counter scale goes up rather further than what the TDI can achieve.

One casualty was the VW Gamma stereo system which must have been coded to the old cluster. I have instead fitted the radio out of the 406 which is 'resting'. This leaves a gap where the old separate CD player lived hence wanted add shortly to appear for single DIN tray...

 

[jonathan_dyane]

I just need to get some acetone or some shit to melt off the soft touch crap

[Metal Guru]

17 hours ago, Wibble said:

Yes, flaps a major issue but an experienced pilot, so raises many points to investigate. May they rest in peace.

Oh, and always book seat 11a.

I’ve seen a couple of crappy films on Netflix recently where just one person survives an air crash, and thought “how far fetched”.

Even then I thought , the survivor would be at death’s door , clinging on to life. I don’t know what injuries the guy has, but it’s incredible he seems fully conscious and just in a normal hospital bed. 

[Wibble]

5 minutes ago, Metal Guru said:

I’ve seen a couple of crappy films on Netflix recently where just one person survives an air crash, and thought “how far fetched”.

Even then I thought , the survivor would be at death’s door , clinging on to life. I don’t know what injuries the guy has, but it’s incredible he seems fully conscious and just in a normal hospital bed. 

Yes, it’s quite miraculous really. I read about another guy who survived a crash and was also sat in 11a.