The grumpy thread

[Pillock]

It's laughable that schools know when they're gonna get inspected.

 

My lad was moaning that all the naughty kids got to go on a trip out of school. Want to guess what also happened that day? Of course it was a visit from OFSTED.

[Tamworthbay]

It's laughable that schools know when they're gonna get inspected.

My lad was moaning that all the naughty kids got to go on a trip out of school. Want to guess what also happened that day? Of course it was a visit from OFSTED.

They get a call after 12 and before 4pm, inspectors are there the next morning at 8am. By law trips have to be risk assessed at least 14 days prior to date of the trip including a list of pupils attending.

[cobblers]

Also if you haven't got the call by Wednesday afternoon you're safe. My Mrs is a director at a pretty big academy trust so every few months I'll get a text saying "OFSTED!!" which means I will barely see her for three days and that I better have some tea ready for when she finally does turn up home.

[Pillock]

They get a call after 12 and before 4pm, inspectors are there the next morning at 8am. By law trips have to be risk assessed at least 14 days prior to date of the trip including a list of pupils attending.

Then that's highly suspicious it happened on the same day!

 

Mind you, Mrs_Pillock has worked in adult education for years and they always knew way more than 24 hours. The last place she was at (which will remain nameless as they're currently in the shit) told loads of people to work from home one day, with about a weeks notice. Turns out it was all the people at risk of redundancy, and it was the day of inspection. They were shitting it that everyone who had had "the letter" would just go speaking their mind about standards.

 

I suspect the jungle drums and smoke signals start way earlier than 18 hours notice. Friends of friends and all that.

[Timewaster]

Just about the most useful thing I did at school was setting fire to my own hair and brutally high-tackling the physics teacher who was also the Rugby coach...

At the same time?

 

A flaming tackle would take down even the most psychopathic teacher.

[Datsuncog]

I did Latin for three years at secondary school; really enjoyed it. We used the Ecce Romani textbooks, which myself and others can still quote from verbatim... I'm hoping that one day I'll come across an inscription within a venerable seat of learning or place of worship which turns out to concern an annoying cousin falling into a fishpond, and then everyone will be dead impressed with my MAD SKILLZ.

 

 

In other news, it appears I'm incapable of negotiating two steps without semi-incapacitating myself.

 

 

Nice one, doofus.

[artdjones]

The problem is this - the skills you mention aren’t measurable directly by numbers, therefore any schools that invest in them look bad in OFSTED tables, and get shafted at inspection time. The senior leaders are binned and a number cruncher brought in until every school ends up as an exam factory. OFSTED have fucking ruined the education system in this country and caused untold stress to generations of kids and their teachers.

It's not the school's job to socialise children.If it does become their job it just means that the children with caring parents (the majority) waste a lot of time learning things their parents will already be teaching them.

[Tamworthbay]

It's not the school's job to socialise children.If it does become their job it just means that the children with caring parents (the majority) waste a lot of time learning things their parents will already be teaching them.

It’s not an issue of socialising, it’s skills that are critical for being useful a company and having a chance of getting a job. Talk to anyone who recruits from school leavers and they will lament the demise of the ability to think for themselves, work as part of a team, or even have the basic skills that would mean they can communicate in a vaguely useful way.

[artdjones]

It’s not an issue of socialising, it’s skills that are critical for being useful a company and having a chance of getting a job. Talk to anyone who recruits from school leavers and they will lament the demise of the ability to think for themselves, work as part of a team, or even have the basic skills that would mean they can communicate in a vaguely useful way.

You seem to have those skills.Did you get them from school?I don't think I got whatever measure of them I have from school,but from my parents.

[artdjones]

I'd say that a basic problem is that schools are expected by a large section of parents to bring children up now,and not just educate them.It's just not possible to do that and it's unfair to expect teachers to try.

[Tadhg Tiogar]

I did Latin for three years at secondary school; really enjoyed it. We used the Ecce Romani textbooks...

They were used in my school as well. We also had a much more technical book which contained an excellent breakdown of all the declensions, but I can't remember if it was the Cambridge one or not.

[Tamworthbay]

You seem to have those skills.Did you get them from school?I don't think I got whatever measure of them I have from school,but from my parents.

I was lucky to have an education that was made of being taught a subject properly, not piecemeal to pass a test. I am not sure either of parents could have taught me anything close to the full range of skills I got at school. I was able to play sport, undertake practical subjects, do collective projects, none of which ever ended up in a piece of paper being given to me - hence OFSTED don’t give a shit. I still remember stuff I did when I was 11, iI know kids of that age that don’t remember what they did before the last test and they don’t need to. Fucking ridiculous way of doing education. My daughter has just started at a Grammar school miles away from where we live. Hmmm, that’s because you want her to have an academic education I hear you say? nope the exact opposite. The local academies are total fucking holes that push kids until they break and then get rid, the grammar school makes a big deal of the extras they do to ensure the kids that go through there are happy, well balanced and understand that being part of society involves more than a piece of paper or two.

[artdjones]

Yes,I was lucky to go to a former grammar school.It had only been comprehensive for a couple of years,so still had a lot of the grammar school ethos,and teachers, still in place.But it was my parents who taught me the common sense things needed to get through life, especially my mother,as my father died when I was 9.They were a good example,and believed in strict but loving discipline.I don't want to be"that guy" who always thinks that things were done better in the past, but it frightens me to see how indulgent many parents are.But it's that lack of discipline in the home environment that makes it so hard to be a teacher now.If parents don't discipline them,how will teachers ever do it?

[mrbenn]

I did Latin for three years at secondary school; really enjoyed it. We used the Ecce Romani textbooks, which myself and others can still quote from verbatim... I'm hoping that one day I'll come across an inscription within a venerable seat of learning or place of worship which turns out to concern an annoying cousin falling into a fishpond, and then everyone will be dead impressed with my MAD SKILLZ.

In other news, it appears I'm incapable of negotiating two steps without semi-incapacitating myself.

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Nice one, doofus.

Whoops! I did similar with my big toe a while back. Hurt like a bastard.

 

Get well soon!

[wuvvum]

All together now, you know the tune...!

 

Quis costet canis in fenestram

Qui habet caudam moventes...

 

etc.

 

Is it sad that I got that straight away?

[tooSavvy]

I put it to the anklebiters Headteacher that taking kids at level 1 (most hopeless) and spending all junior school boffing them up to a competent level 3 (quite clued up)...

 

But then having OFSTED SATS declare not enough at level 4 (moving the goalposts as to what that exactly is..) and giving the teachers a good shoeing = not motivational.

 

She agreed and said her kindrergarden intake are getting worse [vis no speech/no face cognition/in nappys]

 

I say this as I believe the amount of change/growth of competence a child makes through the school should be acknowledged - not merely the quantity of *failures coming out

 

*failure is, of course, a speculative construct.

[M'coli]

I was a student of Ecce Romani too, but I was a poor student due to being semper semi somnus...

[Alfamale]

I’m not going to be popular with this opinion but the move by OFSTED to look more at the wider picture rather than numbers is a bad idea in my opinion. What should be measured is progress and to do that you need assessments. I don’t mean putting 5 year olds in exam rooms but benchmarked assessments so that progress can be measuread and teachers held accountable.

 

Like in any work environment there are those that are passionate about their role and those that are along for the ride and the same is true in teaching. It is neigh on impossible to get rid of under performing teachers. Whilst those that really care become disillusioned watching colleagues get away with not pulling their weight.

 

Kids only get one chance of being at school and each and everyone needs to get the most out of it as possible.

[DodgeRover]

Dare I ask how Bub has gone on with his son? Has he joined the army yet?

[wuvvum]

FFS, I've now got "Quis costet canis in fenestram" stuck in my head.

[lexi]

I was a Slater and Plasterer. No bastard ever phoned and told me to work from home today? 

[richardmorris]

I did Latin for three years at secondary school; really enjoyed it. We used the Ecce Romani textbooks, which myself and others can still quote from verbatim... I'm hoping that one day I'll come across an inscription within a venerable seat of learning or place of worship which turns out to concern an annoying cousin falling into a fishpond, and then everyone will be dead impressed with my MAD SKILLZ.

In other news, it appears I'm incapable of negotiating two steps without semi-incapacitating myself.

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Nice one, doofus.

One hell of a trip- you’ve lost a toe!

[Datsuncog]

One hell of a trip- you’ve lost a toe!

Four toes = perfectly normal for Norn Iron...

[gm]

Look at the fucking state of this

 

 

 

someone has had a major leak as this went on for about five miles, it was like driving on ice. what really pissed me off was that while most of us were pootling along at 30mph, several dickheads weren't happy with this and went bombing past papping their horns.

 

I called it in to the police as someone was going to get in trouble sooner or later.

 

(avoid the A977 from Kincardine to Kinross for a few days, especially if you have shitty tyres like I do)

[SierraMikeHotel]

I did Latin at grammar school. Bellum, bellum, bellum etc. Anyone else remember Ecce Romani?

 

(Edit: yes you do. Read the thread properly now).

 

Posting here because my probably broken rib /still/ hurts, four weeks on. If you're nearly forty and the oldest person at the stag do, just don't fucking well play the zorb football. Sit at the side and drink your beer like a sensible old man.

[DodgeRover]

, just don't fucking well play the zorb football. Sit at the side and drink your beer like a sensible old man.

I was at one point convinced I could successfully* Zorb down the Huka falls in New Zealand and I could start a new extreme sport doing so.

 

Older and wiser heads said successful would be coming out alive and wouldn't lend me a Zorb to try it. Spoilsports!

[SierraMikeHotel]

I was at one point convinced I could successfully* Zorb down the Huka falls in New Zealand and I could start a new extreme sport doing so.

 

Older and wiser heads said successful would be coming out alive and wouldn't lend me a Zorb to try it. Spoilsports!

They were right! I'm glad you're still alive.

[GrumpiusMaximus]

I did Latin at grammar school. Bellum, bellum, bellum etc. Anyone else remember Ecce Romani?

 

(Edit: yes you do. Read the thread properly now).

 

Posting here because my probably broken rib /still/ hurts, four weeks on. If you're nearly forty and the oldest person at the stag do, just don't fucking well play the zorb football. Sit at the side and drink your beer like a sensible old man.

 

 

I, isti, it, imus, istis, erunt...

[dozeydustman]

Look at the fucking state of this

 

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someone has had a major leak as this went on for about five miles, it was like driving on ice. what really pissed me off was that while most of us were pootling along at 30mph, several dickheads weren't happy with this and went bombing past papping their horns.

 

I called it in to the police as someone was going to get in trouble sooner or later.

 

(avoid the A977 from Kincardine to Kinross for a few days, especially if you have shitty tyres like I do)

Arriva don’t hold the bus routes in your area do they? So many of their shitheaps used to drip diesel around North Kent and Medway

[gm]

I'm not sure about buses but it would be an obvious diversion for high sided vehicles if it's too windy for them on the Forth bridge. I was more annoyed at the recklessness of the other drivers when it was so bloody obvious there was a problem.