The grumpy thread

[Mr Lobster]

That's terrible, BC. Hope she is ok.

[ruffgeezer]

Bung it on Pistonheads, they've got a bit of a following on there.

 

I'll get a car for her through time- just seems a little unimportant at the mo, but it won't be a Beetle and it won't be silver... things like that seem stupid, but I roll with 'em. I've had 2 accidents in my driving days, both in green cars,and neither were mine...

 

just have to say, you guys are awesome. I like this little corner of the internet.

 

 

Big safe Picrapso down here if it's any use?

[Aston Martin]

Bung it on Pistonheads, they've got a bit of a following on there.

 

But, I haven't been on 145 trackdays and nor do I own a TVR.

[Barry Cade]

But, I haven't been on 145 trackdays and nor do I own a TVR.

Are you powerfully built? A company director? No? then just lie like everyone else.

[vulgalour]

Nobody has come out well from that accident and my thoughts go out to all those involved.  I'm incredibly angry at the 'selfish suicide' remarks, that sort of thing really boils my piss.  The urge to get into a massive rant about people remarking that those who commit suicide should be more considerate is quite strong.  Instead I'll restrain it to just two short, simple words: fuck you.

[Inspector Morose]

When you face the abyss, you always see from the viewpoint of those you will leave.

 

Sucking eggs, moi? Just don't.

[vulgalour]

I have faced the abyss and very nearly stepped in.  I didn't give a shit about anyone or anything.  I would have been my parent's horrible discovery the morning after.

[M'coli]

A guy hanged himself in the liftshaft at work after his shift last year, he'd recently been bereaved and couldn't find the will to go on. A few of my colleagues gave the "What a selfish twat, why didn't he do that at home" line, until it was pointed out that there would be no-one to find the body at home until the neighbours complained about the smell and that the undertakers would have a more difficult job.

 

It's an awful do though, for BC's daughter - I hope she gets the support she needs and any counselling if its available.

[dave21478]

Nobody has come out well from that accident and my thoughts go out to all those involved.  I'm incredibly angry at the 'selfish suicide' remarks, that sort of thing really boils my piss.  The urge to get into a massive rant about people remarking that those who commit suicide should be more considerate is quite strong.  Instead I'll restrain it to just two short, simple words: fuck you.

 

 

Hmmm, arguing on the internet....we all know what they say about that, but anyway.....

 

People who kill themsemves absolutely should be more considerate. Suicide is a strong subject that a lot of people dont like talking about.

Personally I think there should be some kind of "suicide booth" like on Futurama available to those who want. That sounds like a stupid, glib joke, but its not.

People live their lives with chronic pain that most of us cant imagine, people live with crushing, bottomless depression, people live with a variety of mental illnesses that would drive others insane within hours, some people just didnt want to be born in the first place. There are a huge variety of reasons for people to want to stop living and I dont think anybody has a right to say they cant do that but our society isnt equipped to deal with this, so people kill themselves by whatever means seems reasonable at the time, often traumatising others in the process.

Someone is always going to find a body, whether is a cocktail of drink and drugs in the bathtub or jumping off a roof, and that is a hellish, shitty situation for those who discover a loved one, but to the person killing themselves, its rarely considered, or deemed to be the way it has to be.

However those who involve complete strangers in such a dramatic way are cunts of this highest order. If this guy wanted to top himself, he had plenty of ways to do it, but chose to take a massive risk with the life of another person. BC's daughter was in the wrong place at the wrong time and through no fault of hers, killed this guy. It apparently is what he wanted, but he risked her life by her possibly swerving, loosing control after the hit or even getting 70+kgs through the windscreen, he has also scared the poor girl senseless. If she is a strong character she will hopefully move on from this. Its not something she will ever forget, but hopefully she can not let it affect her future life too much.

Sadly, there is also a fair chance that she could never get over it, leading to depression and a horrible downward spiral. Nobody, and I mean FUCKING NOBODY deserves to be landed in that situation and it is purely down to the guy making a terrible, selfish decision.

[Tamworthbay]

Hmmm, arguing on the internet....we all know what they say about that, but anyway.....

 

People who kill themsemves absolutely should be more considerate. Suicide is a strong subject that a lot of people dont like talking about.

Personally I think there should be some kind of "suicide booth" like on Futurama available to those who want. That sounds like a stupid, glib joke, but its not.

People live their lives with chronic pain that most of us cant imagine, people live with crushing, bottomless depression, people live with a variety of mental illnesses that would drive others insane within hours, some people just didnt want to be born in the first place. There are a huge variety of reasons for people to want to stop living and I dont think anybody has a right to say they cant do that but our society isnt equipped to deal with this, so people kill themselves by whatever means seems reasonable at the time, often traumatising others in the process.

Someone is always going to find a body, whether is a cocktail of drink and drugs in the bathtub or jumping off a roof, and that is a hellish, shitty situation for those who discover a loved one, but to the person killing themselves, its rarely considered, or deemed to be the way it has to be.

However those who involve complete strangers in such a dramatic way are cunts of this highest order. If this guy wanted to top himself, he had plenty of ways to do it, but chose to take a massive risk with the life of another person. BC's daughter was in the wrong place at the wrong time and through no fault of hers, killed this guy. It apparently is what he wanted, but he risked her life by her possibly swerving, loosing control after the hit or even getting 70+kgs through the windscreen, he has also scared the poor girl senseless. If she is a strong character she will hopefully move on from this. Its not something she will ever forget, but hopefully she can not let it affect her future life too much.

Sadly, there is also a fair chance that she could never get over it, leading to depression and a horrible downward spiral. Nobody, and I mean FUCKING NOBODY deserves to be landed in that situation and it is purely down to the guy making a terrible, selfish decision.

agree 100%, my sisters father in law was a train driver when he had someone step out in front of him, I say was because he has never worked again and has suffered years of torment as well as health and financial problems as a result. All because some idiot thought it would be a quick way out. Can you imagine going along at 80mph and suddenly seeing someone stood on the tracks staring at you, in your lights, knowing there is no way you can stop in time? I am incredibly sympathetic of people with problems but that is pure selfishness and deserves to be highlighted as such.

[fordperv]

I do think when a person is at crisis point and decides to end it all they really can't view the big picture, their mind is focused on the spiral of depression and hatred for their life, so they can't see the knock on effect that their quick way out will cause to others in its wake

[andrew e]

I've spoken to 8 drivers for fatalities as the first protecting point of emergency call, so I'm calling suicides selfish too. Sorry. I can understand the utmost despair of the person concerned, but the ripples go far and wide. Interestingly certain religions have suicdes classified as "incidents" so the individuals can enter the afterlife.

[xtriple]

Talktalk have a new site for e-mails and the old one one that has been excellent for years has gone. I am not happy!

[Tamworthbay]

I do think when a person is at crisis point and decides to end it all they really can't view the big picture, their mind is focused on the spiral of depression and hatred for their life, so they can't see the knock on effect that their quick way out will cause to others in its wake

I think you are probably right, but it doesn't change the facts, it's still selfish. If you think about it, it's rare for people to be knowingly selfish, it's usually done with an ignorance of the effects on others.

[Slartibartfast]

I think it's possible for a chap to be walking along at night around a junction wearing dark clothes without being suicidal.

[Slartibartfast]

Talktalk have a new site for e-mails and the old one one that has been excellent for years has gone. I am not happy!

Using your ISPs email address is so 90s. Get thee to Gmail or Outlook.com

[fairkens]

I've spoken to 8 drivers for fatalities as the first protecting point of emergency call, so I'm calling suicides selfish too. Sorry. I can understand the utmost despair of the person concerned, but the ripples go far and wide. Interestingly certain religions have suicdes classified as "incidents" so the individuals can enter the afterlife.

Thing is, if you're calling it selfish you clearly don't understand the utmost despair. To a suicidal person it's selfless not selfish. It is horrendous for those involved in the aftermath but selfish is not the right way to describe it. Sheer desperation, not thinking about anything but ending the gut wrenching, brain melting terror and pain that you are in. If anyone thinks any kind of suicide is selfish you need to educate yourself, lots of books written by depressives go some way to explaining the abnormality of mind that leads someone to attempt suicide

 

As an aside we have no basis for assuming that this was a suicide attempt.

[fordperv]

I think you are probably right, but it doesn't change the facts, it's still selfish. If you think about it, it's rare for people to be knowingly selfish, it's usually done with an ignorance of the effects on others.

I can appreciate your thinking but it's not as black and white as that, I appreciate the bare bones you can link selfish traits to the aftermath but what your not taking into account is suicide is an act of desperation where as the act of selfishness is for personal gratification regardless of the source, also suicide may be linked to a mental illness eg schizophrenia, bipolar, ptsd, clinical depression so in reality can you say that a person committing suicide is doing it for gratification? Or are they actually doing it as a last resort for the pain they are feeling whether it's physical or mental that's the difference. The outcome for everyone else is unfortunate and sad

 

This is my view

[Tamworthbay]

I'm sorry but it's not as black and white as that, I appreciate the bare bones you can link selfish traits to the aftermath but what your not taking into account is suicide is an act of desperation where as the act of selfishness is for personal gratification regardless of the source, also suicide may be linked to a mental illness eg schizophrenia, bipolar, ptsd, clinical depression so in reality can you say that a person committing suicide is doing it for gratification? Or are they actually doing it as a last resort for the pain they are feeling whether it's physical or mental that's the difference. The outcome for everyone else is unfortunate

but they still make the decision to do it in a way that affects others as an 'easier' way than options that would only involve them. Why? I guess there are a whole range of reasons but I think the majority is because it puts the act into the hands of someone else. Even if there are other things going on that is still a conscious decision in my opinion. I have worked with a lot of young people with serious mental health issues over the years and whilst I have seen some extreme behaviours and weird logic paths I can only think of one that I would say 'didn't know what they were doing'. And based on all that I still see an act that involves others in such ways, if indeed that is the case here, is selfish.

[fairkens]

Nobody 'chooses' a method because it is easy, killing yourself is fucking hard whatever way. People fixate on a certain way, I don't know why, but there is no 'decision' or 'choice'

 

Jumping in front of a train does not put it in the hands of someone else

[Barry Cade]

Just have to add here, that it's not known by us if it was a suicide or not. I don't want to lead anyone into thinking anything other than their own opinions, which everyone is entitled to- I have my own of course. Either way there are many,many victims of this incident and a lot of lives will be affected for a long time.Don't know if we will ever be told all the findings by the Police.

[trigger]

I hate my 100hp, webuyanycarfor12p have offered me practically nothing.

 

£1745 I think they've lowballed by a grand, easily.

Fiat Panda?

[trigger]

I appreciate that when your in a dark place the last thing on your mind is what other people will think but ripping your own head off in a busy supermarket car park during lunchtime and ploughing your car into a young family is pretty cuntish in my view. That really made me angry when I read about that happening.

[BavarianRetro]

Yes, but surely anyone who does that does so whilst the balance of their mind is disturbed?

 

You've no idea what was going through his mind, but I think it's safe to assume that it wasn't rational thought.

 

That's why insanity is a defence to a crime. You didn't know what you were doing - couldn't form the necessary intention.

[myglaren]

Greatest sympathy for your daughter - a terrible situation to land in and not least the deprivation of her car that impacts seriously on her ability to earn a living.

 

Lots of very well considered opinions above.  I don't think there are any easy answers though.  As stressed above a potential suicide is generally not thinking straight anyway and although their actions can have devastating effects for others there is also the fact that they are probably unaware of the ripples they cause.

 

Since seeing "Soylent Green" I have long thought that euthanasia clinics would be a great resource for those who wish to end their lives.  Done with dignity and less fallout I can't see an argument against it done with the right checks and balances.

 

As far as car insurance goes I was surprised at the TPFT - Last time I tried that it was cheaper to go comprehensive.  (Xantia)

 

After all that twaddle I do hope your daughter can overcome the trauma and live a decent live afterwards, although I am sure it will always haunt her.

[Tetleysmooth]

Without wishing to sound hard BC, try to get your daughter back into a car asap.

The longer she leaves it, the less she'll want to drive again.

 

This happened to one of our drivers at another depot.

In Shoreditch, London. I know the junction very well. Chap messing about in the road, until our driver's trailer smashed both his legs.

Our driver was in a right state. He was a new lad and had only just started driving the big 'uns.

The company put him straight back in a truck and sent him out again - with a trainer.

I don't suppose he'll ever forget it, but he's back driving again now.

[strangeangel]

Trivial? Yes. First world problem? Definitely. Still made me grumpy though:

 

[beko1987]

ouch

[Tamworthbay]

Nail in a new tyre, always a shit when that happens.

[cobblers]

Despite using strong enough wheel acid that I could see the fucking things steaming away and stink the sulphurous fumes through the vents, the chaps at the local car wash place have done a worse job of cleaning my wheels than I could do myself with a sweeping brush and a mucky puddle.

They're not exactly hard to clean either, I can do em myself in no time TBH.

Looks as though I need to find some other damp ex pez station forecourt to give my £4 every 3 months to. I would make excuses for not washing it myself but the truth is that I'm bone fuckin idle.