The grumpy thread

[wuvvum]

the vast majority over 95% of the pedophilia by Catholic priests was homosexual pedophilia.

That may have been largely a crime of opportunity though, given that traditionally the vast majority of altar boys were, erm, boys.

 

Another point which is often overlooked by the media, probably because it's less sensational, is that child abuse was just as rife in the secular, state-run care and foster industry in the '60s, '70s and '80s as it was in the Catholic church (and the denials at the time just as strenuous). I personally know two people who were victims of sexual abuse whilst in state care; I've never knowingly met anyone who had been abused by a priest, or any other type of religious minister, although the priest in the church just down the road from where I used to live did get busted for child porn.

[Negative Creep]

Well I'm a Buddhist so can't wait for the day I'm reincarnated as Salma Hayek

[Rocket88]

the vast majority over 95% of the pedophilia by Catholic priests was homosexual pedophilia.

That may have been largely a crime of opportunity though, given that traditionally the vast majority of altar boys were, erm, boys.

 

Another point which is often overlooked by the media, probably because it's less sensational, is that child abuse was just as rife in the secular, state-run care and foster industry in the '60s, '70s and '80s as it was in the Catholic church (and the denials at the time just as strenuous). I personally know two people who were victims of sexual abuse whilst in state care; I've never knowingly met anyone who had been abused by a priest, or any other type of religious minister, although the priest in the church just down the road from where I used to live did get busted for child porn.

 

 

Forbidding priests to have any sort of a normal sex life was always asking for trouble. Mind you, I know several people who were taught by nuns, and although I have no tales of what the Telegraph would call "sexual impropriety", apparently some of them were the cruellest, nastiest people one would have the misfortune to meet.

[autofive]

of course the catholic church is anti gay, changing attitudes will take another 20 - 30 years at least.

 

 

all religion is based on tradition, tradition isnt fact.

 

there is no proof that any religion, or its founders, profits, leaders or followers have a mandate from 'god' (the term used its widest sense) to preach to, enslave, or condemn any other religions, or indeed anyone. There is no scientific proof to back up the claims made in the mainstream religious texts. and many years, and many careers, have been wasted trying to find proof.

 

most of the established religions in the western world are based on a sun god with added astrology and local pagan snippets.

 

its all nonsense

[Rocket88]

of course the catholic church is anti gay, changing attitudes will take another 20 - 30 years at least.

 

 

all religion is based on tradition, tradition isnt fact.

 

there is no proof that any religion, or its founders, profits, leaders or followers have a mandate from 'god' (the term used its widest sense) to preach to, enslave, or condemn any other religions, or indeed anyone. There is no scientific proof to back up the claims made in the mainstream religious texts. and many years, and many careers, have been wasted trying to find proof.

 

most of the established religions in the western world are based on a sun god with added astrology and local pagan snippets.

 

its all nonsense

 

Don't forget the goats and the pentangle.........................

[autofive]

of course the catholic church is anti gay, changing attitudes will take another 20 - 30 years at least.

 

 

all religion is based on tradition, tradition isnt fact.

 

there is no proof that any religion, or its founders, profits, leaders or followers have a mandate from 'god' (the term used its widest sense) to preach to, enslave, or condemn any other religions, or indeed anyone. There is no scientific proof to back up the claims made in the mainstream religious texts. and many years, and many careers, have been wasted trying to find proof.

 

most of the established religions in the western world are based on a sun god with added astrology and local pagan snippets.

 

its all nonsense

 

Don't forget the goats and the pentangle.........................

 

i included them in the 'mainstream religion' and 'established religions in the western world' bracket

[warren t claim]

I'm beginning to wish I never started this topic.

 

I understand and respect anyone's right to believe in any faith of their choosing. I also respect Norms nationality where believing in god is a way of life along with pick up trucks, moms apple pie and passing a current of electricity through a poorly public defended, probably innocent, black person.

[cms206]

I was brought up Roman Catholic and very rapidly abandoned it when I had the chance to actually use my head; it doesn't fit with me, my beliefs or my views.

 

Almost anyone who asks me my religion gets a standard answer, with the exception of two parties;

 

1) Jehovas Witnesses or other people who insist on knocking my door at stupid o'clock in the morning to tell me about their god, who get "I'm a practising (insert religion here)". If they've hung about long enough to hear that is; last time I was half asleep and apparantly answered the door holding the remains of the previous night's munchy box with about a week's growth on my chin, my hair everywhere, wearing just glow in the dark Spongebob Squarepants boxer shorts. They've not been back since.

 

2) Orange bands on the thankfully very few hires I manage to get lumbered with; the question "What are you?" is ALWAYS answered with "The driver. If you don't like it, you can fucking walk".

 

 

I consider myself Pastafarian, the lure of a beer volcano and a stripper factory on the other side was just too tempting to ignore.

[Cavcraft]

Personally I don't mind one bit if people are religious, nor does it matter what religion they are. If it gives people something to believe in and they're happy then what's the problem? As long as they don't attempt to try and ram it down my throat/harrass me about it/knock on my door I don't give a flying one.

I doubt you'll ever see the Catholic church chage their ways though, in my opinion all this anti-pill, anti-gay, anti-condom anti-abortion shit is just because they (the Catholic church) want to become the 'number one' religion.

 

Oh, equally as bad as the people who try and sell you their religion are the fuckers that try and sell you their 'non religion' including some of those Pagans or whatever they're called. I couldn't give a shit about how many moons, months or maypoles they have in their year, nor do I care that they think spring starts on 25th December or that by rubbing crystals means they'll have 97 kids and fight off ghosts, goats and gonorrhea.

[Cavcraft]

Norm, on this side of the pond some of us are concerned about things 'going American' so it's swings and roundabouts and all that jazz.

 

Pissing me off slightly is that I have a job interview on Thursday, my first in almost ten years. I don't have much chance of getting it and the mind games and utter bollocks are starting from the main players. Still, it's worth a bash I suppose and it's not always such a bad thing being the rank outsider.

[wuvvum]

(Slavery being a system designed by ex-pat British tobacco and cotton plantation owners for the enjoyment of the peeps back on the Home Island for the exploitation cheap colonial goods.)

Hate to disagree with you Norm, but I think you'll find that slavery was around quite a long time before there were any British tobacco plantation owners. And slavery wasn't abolished in the US until 1865, 89 years after America ceased to be a colony, and 58 years after slavery was abolished in Britain.

 

We don't forbid the burka, like in France. We don't deny Turks citizenship like the Germans. We don't maintain one-race policies like the Scandies.

Every country has its quirks. You forbade your citizens to visit Cuba, for example. Yes it was for political rather than racial reasons, but it was still a curb on freedom. And a significant one, given the amount of gorgeous patched-up fifties American rammle that's still clanking round the streets of Havana.

 

How many mulatto PMs has Britain elected?

Exactly the same number as there has been mulatto candidates. None.

 

How many blacks on your High Court?

Nine. I had to Google this.

 

How many of your Foreign Ministers were black or women?

No Foreign Secretaries (as they're known here), but the Treasury Secretary under the last parliament was black. He is now a Lord. And in case you'd forgotten, we had a woman Prime Minister for 11 years. How many female presidents has the US had?

[Lankytim]

Well I go to Church (nearly) every Sunday and have never been "healed" or blown up/shot at/radicalised once. There's cups of tea and biscuits too. Its great!

[CIH]

They recon we'd be colonising space by now if it weren't for the dark ages and "a few" years of religious dogma.

[mattblack]

Just to lighten the mood a little, I'm grumpy about not getting a snap of the minty granny-piloted Rover 418D, in that nice metallic red (Nightfire?) and complete with local 'Trinity Motors' and National Trust stickers that I saw the other day...

[autofive]

Every country has its quirks. You forbade your citizens to visit Cuba, for example. Yes it was for political rather than racial reasons, but it was still a curb on freedom. And a significant one, given the amount of gorgeous patched-up fifties American rammle that's still clanking round the streets of Havana.

 

every first world country needs at least one third world country to exploit. the UK had many over the centuries, when the USA ceased being the UKs third world country to expolit, and many financial and purchasing ties had been cut, the USA attempted to emulate the UK model and searched for a suitable third world country, cuba was perfect for their needs.in 2011 cuba is still exploited by the USA.

[Lankytim]

How does America exploit Cuba? i.e what benefit to they get from them.

[M'coli]

I'm having a party when Thatcher dies.

[Cavcraft]

I'm having a party when Thatcher dies.

 

You won't be the only one.

[Albert Ross]

I'm indifferent.

[messerschmitt owner]

two things you should never discuss on an internet forum!

 

religion and politics - now feck off with this nonsense and be grumpy about cars again!

[Albert Ross]

Apparently these threads just change tack when someone mentions Hitler.

[Formula Autos]

Your female PM was sensational.

 

Some may well disagree.

[Guest]

Thatcher was great, look at the Grimethorpe's "economic miracle" for instance - when the people there were put out of work by the pit closure, the private sector instantly stepped in to fill the gap, not to mention all these entrepreneurs and startup businesses. It is now the most prosperous place in the world.

 

P.S. They didn't, it isn't.

[CreepingJesus]

Milk Snatcher's a blue-blood zombie. She feeds off looming behind every successive new Tory leader, and causing lazy journos to ask the obvious question. A silver bullet might do it.

 

Near-side front wheelbearings. Almost every car I've owned, it's the first one to start whining away. Must be my driving style, surely? And not just me buying cheap, high mileage rubbish...

[wuvvum]

She feeds off looming behind every successive new Tory leader, and causing lazy journos to ask the obvious question.

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7952788256797322805#

 

[morris_ital_lover]

Fucking two faced twats... one of the people I deal with at uni said that a charge for a failed direct debit would be waivered since it was the banks fault. Fast forward one month and she sends me an angry email saying I haven't paid it.

 

m0rris

[CreepingJesus]

She feeds off looming behind every successive new Tory leader, and causing lazy journos to ask the obvious question.

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7952788256797322805#

 

 

Naughty! Not a fan of Wossy, but that was pretty good. At least in the first 10 mins I've watched. I'd believe Call-Me-Dave didn't knock one out to the thought of Maggie; but I wonder about some of the old guard. Some of them got caught out, with their little peccadilloes and proclivities...having a quick lamb shank over 'herself' would be nothing to those Rt. Hon. Dirty Bastards.

[Station]

I hate k-series.

After spending three months putting a new engine and doing it properly, I've now spent a further two weeks tracing a hesitation in the throttle under any load (making the car undrivable) when it warms up (10 minutes). I've replaced everything on the engine (throttle body, TPS, CTS, injectors, spark plugs, HT leads, cap, rotor, earthing cable), I've checked the timing and done a compression test (on a brand new HG change). I've come to the conclusion that they're completely shit engines, and the performance isn't any good either. I'm getting nowhere with this, fuck you Rover.

[Conrad D. Conelrad]

Milk Snatcher

My beef with Thatcher is that she made us pay for school milk instead of just discontinuing it. For twenty years I didn't drink milk. All because when I was five I was forced to bring 20p to school to drink repulsive lukewarm milk with lumpy bits of cream congealing around the top of the filthy little bottle. It wasn't until last year that I drank some properly chilled milk, and although it tasted nice enough I'm still not keen on it.

[Angrydicky]

I pulled up outside the post office earlier to post some letters in my A55 Cambridge when an old giffer came ambling over and collared me as I got out. The conversation went something like this:

 

"Nice car, getting very rare now aren't they. I had one when I was 18. Poor man's Rolls Royce in their day"

 

"Yeah, not many about these days. I use it every day".

 

"You should do it up, it would be worth serious money if it was in nice nick".

 

"Nah, I use it in all weathers and through the winter, so it would just deteriorate".

 

"Haven't you got a garage for it?"

 

"No"

 

"Well you're done for then"

 

"eh"

 

"Yeah, I would have bought that before, but not now".

 

And he walked off, smirking to himself. I was speechless