The grumpy thread

[messerschmitt owner]

Green XM has knackered glow plugs - and refuses to start now.

 

Tax is up on Thursday, and the plan was to take it off the road in two months (when the insurance runs out), and dismantle it then.

 

So, do I spend money getting glow plugs (and a back box as it parted company) or do I bite the bullet and pop it in the car port now, ready for the chop! And rushing to get the SORNed smart roadster back on the road asap.

 

Having just scrapped a 2.0 petrol, taking it apart should be easy and it will provide years of parts for my white XM but the timing is lousy!

 

Off to get a tin of start ya bastard!

[wuvvum]

Now, lets assume you've lead a decent and virtuous life as a non-believer.

If god is the loving smiling happy forgiving one that he/she/it is sometimes portrayed as then surely if you accept god at your point of departure when the supreme being is revealed you won't go to hell.

Seriously, think about it. Imagine an atheist leads a good life without moral ambiguity. God would have to be bit nasty to condemn that good person to eternal damnation for not sitting on an uncomfortable seat in a draughty building and singing once a week...

^ This. I had some fantastic (occasionally alcohol-enhanced) arguments about this exact point back in my student days with some of the more extreme evangelical types.

[chaseracer]

On the religion debate (which I join with some reluctance) I refer fellow travellers to the Autoshite Credo: "Your ride, your way."

 

Same applies with belief systems...

[Pete-M]

 

"BE EXCELLENT TO EACH OTHER".

 

There ya go, job done. Who needs religion when you've got Bill and Ted.

[M'coli]

Church-goers piss me off. You know, the ones who go to church and think that they're christians but aren't.

[Justin Case]

I'm not going to join in the argument, everyone has their own views and I respect that.

 

However our Minister does drive a G-reg Volvo 760 Turbo Estate although I don't think that it's a company car

 

Methodism - the Autoshite of religions

[dollywobbler]

I'm pretty anti-religion, mainly because I'm fed up of religion being an excuse to duff each other up. Mind you, get rid of religion and some other excuse would come along soon enough. Like football teams. It's the lack of tolerance that really gets me het up - whether its Muslim Fundamentalists or some former Hitler-Youth with a nice white hat in Rome. The hypocrisy is a bitter pill to swallow as well. Homosexuality is apparently bad, but if a priest gets a bit fiddly with little boys, we'll just sweep that under the table.

 

To be honest, I'm rapidly going off the Humanist lot too. We had a Humanist wedding, as we quite like the idea of a group of people who are nice to each other while being tolerant of others. Lately though, the Humanists have been getting aggressive in pushing their views out, which makes them as bad as anyone else.

 

I think I'll just stick to trying to be nice to people.

[warren t claim]

I'm going to become a Hindu, buy a Land Rover, cover it in off road tat and a sticker that says "8.4 million lives-live them all".

 

We should remember that MAZDA is the Hindu god of light, mind you, we have LUCAS prince of darkness...

[Tayne]

The hypocrisy is a bitter pill to swallow as well. Homosexuality is apparently bad, but if a priest gets a bit fiddly with little boys, we'll just sweep that under the table.

 

Homosexuality and paedophilia are NOT the same thing.

[dollywobbler]

Oh I absolutely agree Tayne, but both are sexual traits if you like - rather like the use of contraception, and it seems a bit off to say one's wrong while trying hush up other goings on. If they're pouring scorn on homosexuals - who aren't doing any wrong in the world - it seems very off when they seem to take a rather gentle approach to dealing with paedophiles within their own ranks. Doesn't send out a very consistent message does it? Almost makes being gay seem worse than what the priests were doing.

[Des]

Aren't all religons merely an evolution of our hairy ancestors worship of the sun, moon, gerbils and whatever else their yet to develop frontal lobes couldn't fathom? Apparently this god chap made us in his own image, is it too much to ask for .025 thou thumbnails for gapping plugs, and a range to cover common tappet and points clearances on the fingers, or how about a hexagonal bumhole for wheelnuts and a compession tester in the base of my todger.

I think the answer to the old question of what happens after death is easy, just think back to before you were born, it's the same thing.

I can't help but use religion to judge people, the more fruity and controlling the cult, the less I think of the individual, so prods / catholics = mildly dim, joho / krishnas = absolute twats.

[morris_ital_lover]

The hypocrisy is a bitter pill to swallow as well. Homosexuality is apparently bad, but if a priest gets a bit fiddly with little boys, we'll just sweep that under the table.

 

Homosexuality and paedophilia are NOT the same thing.

 

In fairness I think what he's is trying to say is that despite the fact that whilst priests are often all to willing to denounce homosexuality as satans work they are also disgustingly willing to take part in homosexual paedophilia... which is an entirely different and completely repulsive practice.

 

As for religion, I love the idea, I've tried it I'm crap at it... I've had more faith crisises than hot dinners . What I do not like is the idea of using religion to kll and maim and misinterpret teachings with the aim of justification of appaulling violence....

 

Everybody should learn to get along, looking at it subjectively, just because someone has different skin colour, religion, sexualtiy etc doesn't mean you can't get along. As long as it isn't rammed down your throat ignore it if you don't like it (obv not morally unjust things like paedophilia though!).

 

m0rris

[wuvvum]

the vast majority over 95% of the pedophilia by Catholic priests was homosexual pedophilia.

That may have been largely a crime of opportunity though, given that traditionally the vast majority of altar boys were, erm, boys.

 

Another point which is often overlooked by the media, probably because it's less sensational, is that child abuse was just as rife in the secular, state-run care and foster industry in the '60s, '70s and '80s as it was in the Catholic church (and the denials at the time just as strenuous). I personally know two people who were victims of sexual abuse whilst in state care; I've never knowingly met anyone who had been abused by a priest, or any other type of religious minister, although the priest in the church just down the road from where I used to live did get busted for child porn.

[Negative Creep]

Well I'm a Buddhist so can't wait for the day I'm reincarnated as Salma Hayek

[Rocket88]

the vast majority over 95% of the pedophilia by Catholic priests was homosexual pedophilia.

That may have been largely a crime of opportunity though, given that traditionally the vast majority of altar boys were, erm, boys.

 

Another point which is often overlooked by the media, probably because it's less sensational, is that child abuse was just as rife in the secular, state-run care and foster industry in the '60s, '70s and '80s as it was in the Catholic church (and the denials at the time just as strenuous). I personally know two people who were victims of sexual abuse whilst in state care; I've never knowingly met anyone who had been abused by a priest, or any other type of religious minister, although the priest in the church just down the road from where I used to live did get busted for child porn.

 

 

Forbidding priests to have any sort of a normal sex life was always asking for trouble. Mind you, I know several people who were taught by nuns, and although I have no tales of what the Telegraph would call "sexual impropriety", apparently some of them were the cruellest, nastiest people one would have the misfortune to meet.

[autofive]

of course the catholic church is anti gay, changing attitudes will take another 20 - 30 years at least.

 

 

all religion is based on tradition, tradition isnt fact.

 

there is no proof that any religion, or its founders, profits, leaders or followers have a mandate from 'god' (the term used its widest sense) to preach to, enslave, or condemn any other religions, or indeed anyone. There is no scientific proof to back up the claims made in the mainstream religious texts. and many years, and many careers, have been wasted trying to find proof.

 

most of the established religions in the western world are based on a sun god with added astrology and local pagan snippets.

 

its all nonsense

[Rocket88]

of course the catholic church is anti gay, changing attitudes will take another 20 - 30 years at least.

 

 

all religion is based on tradition, tradition isnt fact.

 

there is no proof that any religion, or its founders, profits, leaders or followers have a mandate from 'god' (the term used its widest sense) to preach to, enslave, or condemn any other religions, or indeed anyone. There is no scientific proof to back up the claims made in the mainstream religious texts. and many years, and many careers, have been wasted trying to find proof.

 

most of the established religions in the western world are based on a sun god with added astrology and local pagan snippets.

 

its all nonsense

 

Don't forget the goats and the pentangle.........................

[autofive]

of course the catholic church is anti gay, changing attitudes will take another 20 - 30 years at least.

 

 

all religion is based on tradition, tradition isnt fact.

 

there is no proof that any religion, or its founders, profits, leaders or followers have a mandate from 'god' (the term used its widest sense) to preach to, enslave, or condemn any other religions, or indeed anyone. There is no scientific proof to back up the claims made in the mainstream religious texts. and many years, and many careers, have been wasted trying to find proof.

 

most of the established religions in the western world are based on a sun god with added astrology and local pagan snippets.

 

its all nonsense

 

Don't forget the goats and the pentangle.........................

 

i included them in the 'mainstream religion' and 'established religions in the western world' bracket

[warren t claim]

I'm beginning to wish I never started this topic.

 

I understand and respect anyone's right to believe in any faith of their choosing. I also respect Norms nationality where believing in god is a way of life along with pick up trucks, moms apple pie and passing a current of electricity through a poorly public defended, probably innocent, black person.

[cms206]

I was brought up Roman Catholic and very rapidly abandoned it when I had the chance to actually use my head; it doesn't fit with me, my beliefs or my views.

 

Almost anyone who asks me my religion gets a standard answer, with the exception of two parties;

 

1) Jehovas Witnesses or other people who insist on knocking my door at stupid o'clock in the morning to tell me about their god, who get "I'm a practising (insert religion here)". If they've hung about long enough to hear that is; last time I was half asleep and apparantly answered the door holding the remains of the previous night's munchy box with about a week's growth on my chin, my hair everywhere, wearing just glow in the dark Spongebob Squarepants boxer shorts. They've not been back since.

 

2) Orange bands on the thankfully very few hires I manage to get lumbered with; the question "What are you?" is ALWAYS answered with "The driver. If you don't like it, you can fucking walk".

 

 

I consider myself Pastafarian, the lure of a beer volcano and a stripper factory on the other side was just too tempting to ignore.

[Cavcraft]

Personally I don't mind one bit if people are religious, nor does it matter what religion they are. If it gives people something to believe in and they're happy then what's the problem? As long as they don't attempt to try and ram it down my throat/harrass me about it/knock on my door I don't give a flying one.

I doubt you'll ever see the Catholic church chage their ways though, in my opinion all this anti-pill, anti-gay, anti-condom anti-abortion shit is just because they (the Catholic church) want to become the 'number one' religion.

 

Oh, equally as bad as the people who try and sell you their religion are the fuckers that try and sell you their 'non religion' including some of those Pagans or whatever they're called. I couldn't give a shit about how many moons, months or maypoles they have in their year, nor do I care that they think spring starts on 25th December or that by rubbing crystals means they'll have 97 kids and fight off ghosts, goats and gonorrhea.

[Cavcraft]

Norm, on this side of the pond some of us are concerned about things 'going American' so it's swings and roundabouts and all that jazz.

 

Pissing me off slightly is that I have a job interview on Thursday, my first in almost ten years. I don't have much chance of getting it and the mind games and utter bollocks are starting from the main players. Still, it's worth a bash I suppose and it's not always such a bad thing being the rank outsider.

[wuvvum]

(Slavery being a system designed by ex-pat British tobacco and cotton plantation owners for the enjoyment of the peeps back on the Home Island for the exploitation cheap colonial goods.)

Hate to disagree with you Norm, but I think you'll find that slavery was around quite a long time before there were any British tobacco plantation owners. And slavery wasn't abolished in the US until 1865, 89 years after America ceased to be a colony, and 58 years after slavery was abolished in Britain.

 

We don't forbid the burka, like in France. We don't deny Turks citizenship like the Germans. We don't maintain one-race policies like the Scandies.

Every country has its quirks. You forbade your citizens to visit Cuba, for example. Yes it was for political rather than racial reasons, but it was still a curb on freedom. And a significant one, given the amount of gorgeous patched-up fifties American rammle that's still clanking round the streets of Havana.

 

How many mulatto PMs has Britain elected?

Exactly the same number as there has been mulatto candidates. None.

 

How many blacks on your High Court?

Nine. I had to Google this.

 

How many of your Foreign Ministers were black or women?

No Foreign Secretaries (as they're known here), but the Treasury Secretary under the last parliament was black. He is now a Lord. And in case you'd forgotten, we had a woman Prime Minister for 11 years. How many female presidents has the US had?

[Lankytim]

Well I go to Church (nearly) every Sunday and have never been "healed" or blown up/shot at/radicalised once. There's cups of tea and biscuits too. Its great!

[CIH]

They recon we'd be colonising space by now if it weren't for the dark ages and "a few" years of religious dogma.

[mattblack]

Just to lighten the mood a little, I'm grumpy about not getting a snap of the minty granny-piloted Rover 418D, in that nice metallic red (Nightfire?) and complete with local 'Trinity Motors' and National Trust stickers that I saw the other day...

[autofive]

Every country has its quirks. You forbade your citizens to visit Cuba, for example. Yes it was for political rather than racial reasons, but it was still a curb on freedom. And a significant one, given the amount of gorgeous patched-up fifties American rammle that's still clanking round the streets of Havana.

 

every first world country needs at least one third world country to exploit. the UK had many over the centuries, when the USA ceased being the UKs third world country to expolit, and many financial and purchasing ties had been cut, the USA attempted to emulate the UK model and searched for a suitable third world country, cuba was perfect for their needs.in 2011 cuba is still exploited by the USA.

[Lankytim]

How does America exploit Cuba? i.e what benefit to they get from them.

[M'coli]

I'm having a party when Thatcher dies.

[Cavcraft]

I'm having a party when Thatcher dies.

 

You won't be the only one.