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[Stanky]

And MOAR progress!

 

Give the toyota a quick pre-MOT lights check and then since I was out there thought I'd have a go with the Geep as the battery was fully charged.

 

I gave the carb a good dose of carb cleaner, pulled the choke lever and cranked it over, it coughed, briefly (witnessed by the wife who - without prompting - said "wow, sounded like it nearly fired then") but didn't catch.

 

I gave the carb another dose of carb cleaner and tried again - same thing. Coughs, but doesn't catch. Still, this is progress. internal combustion definitely took place! I then repeated it one more time for good luck. Same result. Not quite six-sigma, but 100% success rate

 

then I had to go back inside, battery back on charge.

 

Interestingly, the starter did a funny thing where once it caught, the gear clearly disengaged as it suddenly made a whirring noise of the gear rotating without any resistance. Is this normal? I assumed it was a mechanism to move the gear away from the flywheel as soon as it catches to prevent the motor being dragged around by the flywheel as it is rotated by internal combustion?

 

Usually a mower will run a few seconds on just carb cleaner, this sounded like literally one or two explosions then nothing. I will be optimistic and say thats because it's drawing in 3x the volume of air that my mower cylinder does on each stroke, and there are 4 cylinders to fill, not one.

 

Next I think I need to sort out the mixture/fuel delivery

[Pillock]

Is it turning fast enough?

I don't know if it's just the abridged version of events, but it sounds like you tried to start it three times and then the battery was flat. Could be a really shagged battery (I know this was mentioned ages ago but haven't seen if you've changed it)

Also that could explain the starter sounding like "no resistance" - it's not turning fast enough to throw the gear out and engage with the flywheel.

 

I'd hook it up to a running car so it's getting 14v and you can keep trying and trying without having to charge batteries every 10 minutes.

[Stanky]

I;d not considered that - I'll move it about on the starter at the weekend and then hook it up to one of the running cars and see how we get on.

[mat_the_cat]

Sounds promising! Air filter is on the way too, which will make it run a tad richer assuming you are currently running the carb bare.

[Stanky]

Thanks Mat, let me know where to send electonic money for postage

[Mally]

Crap carb cleaner, get some V power.

Starter is inertia, whizzes it in, throws it out.

When/if it ever starts it will sort itself out..............maybe.

 

Oh yes its cold, if you have a spare hand put it lightly over the top of the carb inlet.

It has been known to set your hand on fire doing this.

[Fabergé Greggs]

Hang on, the carb cleaner I used to have made my x1/9 stall if you scooshed too much in.. I wouldn’t go crazy with it.

[Stanky]

Pez is probably a month old though the float bowl is near-empty now so I might give it some fresh stuff from the local Shell tomorrow. I may even go mental and get 2x gallon cans of v-power and slosh it into the tank rather than just emptying the float bowl and test the entire system now the fuel tank is all clean.

 

I'll try without carb cleaner at the weekend, I need to drop the Toyota off tomorrow night ready for its MOT on thursday, and thurs will be picking it back up again I imagine.

[crapcarcollector]

That whirring noise made by the starter post catching is just how they sound on a (xflow -yes?)

They all (used) to do (make that sound) sir.

 

 

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[Stanky]

Ta, one less thing to worry about!

[Fabergé Greggs]

Errr, for sure put some petrol in it!

[Stanky]

I'll need to fit an inline filter too for good measure, probably engine end, since I don't know what the contents of the fuel pipes will be like.

[DeeJay]

 

Oh yes its cold, if you have a spare hand put it lightly over the top of the carb inlet.

It has been known to set your hand on fire doing this.

For extra brownie points and the amusement of all followers ask the wife to assist in this task.

[mitsisigma01]

Bite the bullet and splash out on some new fuel pipe rather than risk pulling all the shit through .

With your spare hand can you do a live video feed everytime you try and start it then in good forum style you can have about 20 different versions of why it's not starting !!!

GLWTStarting

[jonny69]

Sounds like it's pretty much there now. New set of HT leads and once the fuel has flushed the carb through (like I said earlier) it'll be fine. Crossflows really aren't too fussy about their fuel unless it's really, really old. One month in a can will be fine. I just pulled the Anglia out the garage after about a month and it fired up after a bit of cranking. I hadn't used it for about 3 months before that.

 

Note to self: use Anglia more once fixed.

[bezzabsa]

as a stand by measure , Pound shop mens smelly stuff can be used as 'easy start'

[1duck]

yeah screw charging every five minutes, just rig it up to your running car and keep jump starting it. Also as mentioned cheap aftershave/lynx knock off can be used as an easy start alternative. I love this thread. 

 

I'd recommend one of those reusable fuel filters, the ones that unscrew so you can clean the element...especially if you are anticipating lots of grot.

 

something along the lines of : https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motorcycle-Dirt-Bike-Re-usable-Gas-Filter-for-5-16-8mm-Fuel-Line-Green/282765008657?hash=item41d61b9f11:g:6XsAAOSw9hdaRmCb

 

You'll pay double that for one in the uk, but they are great things that pay for themselves easily when dealing with stuff like this.

[Stanky]

I've got a cheapy plastic inline one already from something else so i'll use that to begin with but thanks - I didn't know things like this existed so I'll get one ordered as it'll take a few weeks on the slow boat to get here from sunny Shenzhen I should imagine!

 

The air filter arrived from Mat_the_cat today so that will be fitted at the weekend too.

[chodweaver]

Enjoying the perseverance going on here.

 

 

 

Three randoms please!

 

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[PhilA]

On the bright side, we know it's now going to have had oil pumped around all the bearing surfaces before it's started.

 

Cough/sneeze is good- same deal as Capt. 70's Dolly.

 

Keep at it. Nearly there!

 

Phil

[Carlosfandango]

You absolutely, absolutely need to start this with a jump start off something fairly substantial.

If it's making those kind of noises at this stage, it should start with a decent jump and carb cleaner (but yes, decent fuel is erm, important)

Can you smell fuel from the carb when you whip it over? Can you see fuel going into the carb - (don't look in when the coil is connected!) when turning it over?

Keep going man. It's going to happen.

 

CFD

[Jim Bell]

Giving. Everyone. Everywhere. Palpitations.

Geep.

[Talbot]

Sounds to me like you've run the carb float chamber down too low.  As DanTheCapriMan knows all too well, the float level in a carburettor is essential to get the fuel/air mix right.  a height difference of +5mm will make it too rich to run, -5mm will make it too lean.  It's usually very easy to set the level (you usually bend the float lever arm, or adjust a small screw as part of the needle valve) and you have the added bonus of a viewing window.  Does it have the correct level marked on the window?

[danthecapriman]

Sounds to me like you've run the carb float chamber down too low.  As DanTheCapriMan knows all too well, the float level in a carburettor is essential to get the fuel/air mix right.  a height difference of +5mm will make it too rich to run, -5mm will make it too lean.  It's usually very easy to set the level (you usually bend the float lever arm, or adjust a small screw as part of the needle valve) and you have the added bonus of a viewing window.  Does it have the correct level marked on the window?

As he shudders after being reminded of those terrible events!

[Stanky]

Yes the right level is marked on the viewing window, I'll check it but I think that the level has dropped quite a bit from the cranking over, so might just be that its running very lean.

 

I plan to grab some 8mm fuel hose on my way home later and I can replace the last 30cm of hose into the fuel pump with an inline filter and new hose, and also replace the horrible hose that goes from the pump outlet to the carb which is rigid and generally horrible. Then I should be able to have a crack at it over the weekend with pez in the tank. i hope that it will suck through and the grot will get caught in the in-line filter. I plan to replace the entire hose front-to-back in due course.

[mk2_craig]

Just a thought. Does the car have a return fuel line from carb to tank and if so, any possibility that feed and return have been plumbed in the wrong way round?

[Jim Bell]

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[John F]

^ So much better than what I assume was the original text

[dollywobbler]

Just to repeat what I've found today with the Invacar, I couldn't get it to restart after a week of no use. I think I managed to flood it pretty quickly, so the plugs came out, and I used a blowtorch to dry and warm up the ends. Means you don't burn your fingers when you refit the plugs!

 

I'd spent ages assuming it wasn't pulling fuel through from the tank, but then I operated the accelerator and saw a jet of fuel come out of the squirter. Ignition system is all now in good health, but plugs seemed the one weakness. It then started first twist of the key.

[Stanky]

Thanks DW - were they new plugs, or the originals (as mine are)?