Renault 6 rescue (Aug 2020 - rehomed)

[Sigmund Fraud]

is this pretty much the same Cléon unit as found in 1980s R4s?

 

No ! This is the ancient Billancourt engine, as seen in 4CVs and the such.

 

Later versions of the R6 used the Cleon, and you could certainly retro-fit one, but only if you have an entire spares car to use engine/transmission/driveshafts/mountings/linkages off.

 

[Datsuncog]

^^^ Aha - thought it was the 1108cc motor in this one, rather than the antediluvian 845cc unit... grrr, that's vexing. Had thought it might have been easier to find a straight swap, but plainly not!

 

As you were.

[nigel bickle]

Whereabouts are you?

 

It's seized thru sitting,not use, so can be freed up. Needs a total strip & partial rebuild

 

You need help- or another engine.

 

Paul Cunningham, the Renault whiz in Worthing, is the man for you.

 

Yank it out and take it to him. Let him suck thru his teeth, grunt a bit then leave it with him for a few weeks. He can sort it, if he likes you, wants to, and can agree sensible costs.

 

Or find you an alternate...

[3VOM]

Haynes  goes on to say ...

 

The sump can only be removed with finely machined 12mm  Socket only available from Renault  .....and then , only after the cylinder head  socket has been purchased  , will Renault sell you  this tool ..  

The engine can only be removed by a 31mm offset cranked flat spanner, available only from Renault........

[vulgalour]

hahahahaha *devolves into crying*  bloody Renault engines.

[Christine]

I know of an abandoned Clio Williams 1   , would that motor fit ?  

[dollywobbler]

I think there comes a time where you have to decide whether to proceed or not. Scrap isn't the answer - I'd hope someone would take it on. Depends whether you feel you have the skillset or not really. They don't strike me as the easiest cars to learn on. Plenty of cars have been acquired by me with good intentions but failed to proceed. 

[Six-cylinder]

Engine Crane available!

[Parky]

Bath full of Bilt Hamber deox gel??

[beko1987]

1.9xud?

[nigel bickle]

DW speaks much sense

 

You are at the stage where you either need expertise & tools, or money.

 

There is no soft alternate, if you want to keep it.

 

Don't make the mistake of storing it till " something comes up", as you'll just push it back & back until it's worthless, resent it's low value & frag it. It's better than that.

 

Me, I'd look to buy an alternate on Leboncoin-& as Panhard ( nicely) to pick it up on his way through. They are small, light units, there are a few dotted about- & it seems like your cheapest option.

 

Failing that, there are others here who travel the continent. All it needs is comms.

 

I'm sure several here, close ( ish) to you would muster to swop over.

 

So, ask for help, or offer it up. Never easy, but most of us have been there.

[SiC]

Bath full of Bilt Hamber deox gel??

I think the whole car needs to be pushed into the local petrol stations diesel tank.

[panhard65]

DW speaks much sense

 

You are at the stage where you either need expertise & tools, or money.

 

There is no soft alternate, if you want to keep it.

 

Don't make the mistake of storing it till " something comes up", as you'll just push it back & back until it's worthless, resent it's low value & frag it. It's better than that.

 

Me, I'd look to buy an alternate on Leboncoin-& as Panhard ( nicely) to pick it up on his way through. They are small, light units, there are a few dotted about- & it seems like your cheapest option.

 

Failing that, there are others here who travel the continent. All it needs is comms.

 

I'm sure several here, close ( ish) to you would muster to swop over.

 

So, ask for help, or offer it up. Never easy, but most of us have been there.

I am off to Le Mans in June and again in July and should have room to chuck an engine and box in if you want me to hit leboncoin for you. I won't have time to look in Spain next week but will ask if they have anything lying around.

[Dick Cheeseburger]

Shame to see the motor is rogered, but as always, hugely heartwarming to see the offers of help in sourcing, transporting and helping with another lump. Whatever you do, do NOT frag.

[Zelandeth]

Meant to mention earlier:
 

The only time I've seen that sort of mess inside an engine that hadn't simply been left open to the elements for decades was one that had been left sitting for a while after the head gasket had failed.

 

The resulting acidic oil and water mixture left sitting in the thing had resulted in pretty much every single internal ferrous component looking pretty much like the image you found under that rocker cover.  This is why when that happened on my Saab it got no less than three oil changes before I parked it up in the corner to await further attention.

 

My guess is that a head gasket failure is what took that car off the road, and it's been left with "wet" oil in the engine as a result.

[vulgalour]

They are known for ruining their headgaskets too when they've been recommissioned after being stood a while, conventional wisdom was to replace it before getting the car on the road as that bit, at least, is easy to do.  To remove it's not difficult, just really annoying.  Bonnet and 'face' need to come off, as does the gear selector cross brace.   The engine mounts are a pain in the arse to get to just like everything else in the engine bay, but you can do it from under the car without jacking it up, just getting the right combination of extensions and sockets is tricky and a lot of it has to be done blind.  Engine and box come out together easily enough and don't weigh a great deal, thankfully.   Don't try and drop the engine out the bottom, you can't, it has to come out the top.   You might have to remove the front bumper depending on the reach on your crane.  I can't remember if the earlier engine has lifting points, but I know the later one doesn't so you have to loop straps/chains around the engine to lift it out and that's annoying too.

 

I had the engine in and out of mine quite a few times, to the point that I was so fed up of doing it I sold the bastard.  So if you get it out, find some way to test the replacement running properly before putting it in, you'll save yourself a LOT of stress.

[wuvvum]

Could you not buy a conventional 14mm long reach socket and then get a machine shop to file it down?

[Dave_Q]

Was just about to post ^this^, surely you could get a 3/8th 14mm socket turned down to make it fit.

 

I guess it would make sense to see if you can get the bits you might need (rings / crank shells / gaskets etc) first, but even though it looks bad you could rebuild it DIY if you wanted.

[Squire_Dawson]

French. That is all.

[vulgalour]

Earlier engines are easier to get bits for, pretty sure Der Franzose will do everything he needs.  Later engines not so much.

[Parky]

Wouldn’t the socket be weakened by having material shaved off? Be a massive ball ache to go through the rigarmarole of having a custom socket made by an engineering shop only to have it snap when anything more than 20nm is applied to it.

 

Then you’ll have a stuck head with a broken socket rammed in it! I would expect at least three new profanities to be invented in those circumstances

[cobblers]

You don't need to machine the socket, just hold it in a drill and use a flap wheel on an angle grinder to slim it down

[wuvvum]

If you started off with a decent quality socket (not some Rolson drop-forged shit) I don't see why it would be a problem - the official Renault socket is going to be very thin-walled and I doubt that is made of solid titanium or owt.

[Eddie Honda]

Bathe that in diesel.

 

I'll work out what is spesh about the tools when I get home. I've got a load of special tools and they aren't all that special really.

[SiC]

How thin is a thin walled socket?

 

Looks like the Bini requires a 14mm thin wall socket to remove their Spark Plugs.

Like this:

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F252272524020

 

Or

 

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F163019251430

[Eddie Honda]

How thin is a thin walled socket?

Whatever it says in the tool catalogue.

 

I've a Koken for undoing plugs on the BMW boxer motorcycle engine and the Honda Jizz.

 

And the BMW "special" is made by Koken anyway.

[Noel Tidybeard]

Ouch! That was wince-inducing reading. Needs something a bit weightier than penetrating oil down the bores. Diesel is a good recommendation if it's really stuck, but engine oil can be good too. Penetrating oil is just too thin. Still, sounds like it was pretty borked anyway. I'd be tempted to try and get another engine/gearbox if you can, so you can get it up and running and investigate problems at your leisure (by which I mean put the broken engine and gearbox to one side, promise to investigate one day and then trip over them in a few years having realised you've not done anything at all. That's how I do it). 

 

maybe someone could find a suitable engine in a far away land and bring it back maybein a renner 12 dacia 1310 estate

 

if only there was someone like this...

[catsinthewelder]

I'm happy to do that if an engine can be found vaguely en-route.  Moog is heading back from the South of France too and has a whole van to put it in.  Both vehicles will probably head up through M40 land too.

[vulgalour]

*three weeks later*

 

WHY DO I HAVE ALL THESE SODDING ENGINES?

- quicksilver

[The Moog]

I am coming back from Grenoble with an empty transit in two weeks if that is any use?  Happy to pick up an engine if you want. 

 

If you want a car I am always happy to drive something back as well. 

 

Edit: I see Mr C in Welder has already pimped my collection services