Six Cylinders Motoring Notes

[hairnet]

how nice is it when you bounce it off the limiter?

 

[LightBulbFun]

15 minutes ago, Zelandeth said:

More than happy to have it here for a couple of days - actually have a bit of room for a change as the Activa is still sitting at a friend's place waiting for an MOT slot.

Depending how the bulb failure system works just changing the brake light bulbs for a matched pair may well sort it.  Some systems work by measuring the resistance of the bulbs and look for an imbalance between them - so if the bulbs are a bit different nor there is a less than perfect connection (or ground...because Lancia) it can interpret that as a failed bulb.

The earlier offer to tackle the 2CV greasing regime remains open too.

how are you for invacar brake system overhauls? 

[Six-cylinder]

18 minutes ago, Zelandeth said:

More than happy to have it here for a couple of days - actually have a bit of room for a change as the Activa is still sitting at a friend's place waiting for an MOT slot.

Depending how the bulb failure system works just changing the brake light bulbs for a matched pair may well sort it.  Some systems work by measuring the resistance of the bulbs and look for an imbalance between them - so if the bulbs are a bit different nor there is a less than perfect connection (or ground...because Lancia) it can interpret that as a failed bulb.

The earlier offer to tackle the 2CV greasing regime remains open too.

I have plenty of new matched bulbs thanks to Andyrew. 

I will send you a pm.

I am feeling guilty that my 2CV has not been greased after Dollywobbler explained the importance of doing it regularly. 

 

[richardmorris]

5 hours ago, Six-cylinder said:

I have plenty of new matched bulbs thanks to Andyrew. 

I will send you a pm.

I am feeling guilty that my 2CV has not been greased after Dollywobbler explained the importance of doing it regularly. 

 

I’ve never greased mine. Leave that to the mechanics doing the annual service.

[Six-cylinder]

Prep today for next weekends FoD open weekend, thanks @Slowsilver  for doing the driving today.

Weather forecast for next weekend is dry and sunny.

[wuvvum]

I will bring the correct laptop this time if you still need the 406 looking at.

[Six-cylinder]

Just now, wuvvum said:

I will bring the correct laptop this time if you still need the 406 looking at.

I sold it to forbeslongden from his wanted ad, I thought I was safe answering his ad because he said he wanted a 406 Coupe close to Plymouth! Then he came up to North Bucks and wrenched it away from me!

[Zelandeth]

Suspect from a brief walk round check I've likely pinned down the cause of the errant tail light failure warning in the Trevi.  Noted that when either the brake lights or tail lights are lit that the indicator flash rate on that side drops by about half.

That'll be a dodgy earth needing some attention then.  What do we want to bet that cleaning up or reterminating the relevant earth connections sorts both of those issues?

Will get the electrical rehabilitation started tomorrow.  Hoping to get everything done in the one afternoon with a bit of luck.  Will depend a lot on how much of a pig it is to get into the dash - especially wanting to be very, very careful of by now probably very brittle plastic.

[Talbot]

On 9/5/2020 at 12:27 PM, hairnet said:

how nice is it when you bounce it off the limiter?

The Trevi?  Bouncing it off the limiter would be pointless, but the sound that lancia twin-cam makes if you give it some large between about 3000 and 5000 rpm is just musical.  Why do modern engines sound like vacuum cleaners in comparison?

[Zelandeth]

Yep...Had a look in the dark just before locking up for the night - the offside rear indicator is glowing *very* dimly whenever either the brake or tail lights are on.  Time to go hunting dodgy earths.  To be honest unless it's a really awkward setup I probably won't actually go hunting anything - I'll just examine and probably re-terminate all the grounds on or in the vicinity of the tail lights as a matter of course given that we have evidence of trouble with them and given the tendency for them to cause all manner of electrical headaches with Italian cars especially from this sort of era.  Rather than trying to hunt down a dodgy contact it'll be quicker and better for long term reliability to just sort the lot.

@Six-cylinder I hope you do realise that you're going to go and have me wanting a Lancia after this.  Granted...The five minute passenger ride in the Gamma already did a pretty damn good job of that.  A Gamma Berlina is absolutely on my lottery win shopping list and has been since the moment I sat in yours.  Every time I've walked past the Trevi though I've noticed more little nice design touches.  While the proportions are a bit odd and at a glance the interior is just mental there's a huge amount of penmanship has gone into that car.  The door handles and the little name badge by the rear window below the kickup in the roof line are probably my favourite touches so far.  Shame the metal strip with the name/model on is lost a bit on a silver car...Reckon black or Ferrari red would be the best colours for the Trevi.  Oh...Or now I think about it, that slightly burnt yellow colour you occasionally see Ferraris in, that would work nicely too.  I still reckon black though, would offset the ample amounts of brightwork nicely...and we all know I've got an affinity for black cars with lots of chrome.

The other thing which I had completely forgotten was how comfortable Lancias from this sort of era were...I can absolutely see why you've been using the car so much since you've got it back, the seats are like a lovely old well care worn sofa.  How does the ride compare to the Gamma?  I remember that being something which surprised me the most when I was a passenger in the Gamma...While it wasn't *quite* there it was approaching Citroen levels of wafty even on the bouncy road by your place.

[Six-cylinder]

@ZelandethThanks for getting stuck into the electric, my favourite garage were driven to distraction by them.

I have always thought Trevi colour choice was poor, my friend who had one long ago had a brown one. If I had a free choice now I would have it deep rich metallic red.

[paulplom]

Did you recieve the metro wheel nuts?

[Asimo]

6 hours ago, Zelandeth said:

Shame the metal strip with the name/model on is lost a bit on a silver car...Reckon black or Ferrari red would be the best colours for the Trevi.  Oh...Or now I think about it, that slightly burnt yellow colour you occasionally see Ferraris in, that would work nicely too.  I still reckon black though, would offset the ample amounts of brightwork nicely...and we all know I've got an affinity for black cars with lots of chrome.

I think you need this  https://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/1802079659.htm/

[Six-cylinder]

2 hours ago, paulplom said:

Did you receive the metro wheel nuts?

Sorry yes I have.

I am getting the Metro out this week with the plan to have it at the FoD weekend.

[paulplom]

I packaged them quite well.

[Tadhg Tiogar]

2 hours ago, Asimo said:

I think you need this  https://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/1802079659.htm/

I wonder what a 21st century Trevi might look like if being designed now?

[Six-cylinder]

1 minute ago, Tadhg Tiogar said:

I wonder what a 21st century Trevi might look like if being designed now?

A cloned Chrysler?

[Tadhg Tiogar]

Just now, Six-cylinder said:

A cloned Chrysler?

Sadly I think you're right on that one.

[outlaw118]

Trevi came from a long-closed garage about 5 minutes drive from Outlaw_Towers, probably sold as a part exchange for a Fiat of some description, I don't recall them ever selling Lancias new.

[DoctorRetro]

Lancia Lybra anyone? 

[Tadhg Tiogar]

Just now, TheDoctor said:

Lancia Lybra anyone? 

Is that not a Marea with a Mitsuoka nose?

[DoctorRetro]

1 minute ago, Tadhg Tiogar said:

Is that not a Marea with a Mitsuoka nose?

It's based on the Alfa 156 apparently 

[Andyrew]

@Mrs6C

Want me to try find a starter solenoid for dolly?

Does anyone have a pic of the old one?

[LightBulbFun]

18 minutes ago, Andyrew said:

@Mrs6C

Want me to try find a starter solenoid for dolly?

Does anyone have a pic of the old one?

not sure I have a picture on hand but here is hopefully a useful excerpt from the Steyr Puch 500cc engine service manual 

Quote

The cars are equipped with a Bosch regulator type RS/TBA 160/12/1 and a separately fitted Bosch starter relay type 0.333.009.003.

I assume the "starter relay" is the starter solenoid in this case?

but whats happened to Dollys existing one? its not just bad earths is it?

[Zelandeth]

3 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

not sure I have a picture on hand but here is hopefully a useful excerpt from the Steyr  Puch 500cc service manual 

I assume the "starter relay" is the starter solenoid in this case?

but whats happened to Dollys existing one? its not just bad earths is it?

It appears to stick, frequently requiring percussive maintenance.  I remember the one on KPL being really touchy about the ground connection (thorough the body) so it might be worth cleaning that up first and seeing if it helps.

[LightBulbFun]

11 minutes ago, Zelandeth said:

It appears to stick, frequently requiring percussive maintenance.  I remember the one on KPL being really touchy about the ground connection (thorough the body) so it might be worth cleaning that up first and seeing if it helps.

Yeah given that none of Dolly's warning lights work at all, (among other non functional electrical items) im pretty sure there are some electrical gremlins at play here LOL

not sure how much good it will do, but ill be bringing the can of electrical contact cleaner with me again, (mainly to see if I can tackle some more of REV's own electricial issues, but of course more then happy to have a bash at sorting Dolly's issues! ) 

as a side note REV's clock makes for a really handy "do I have power" indicator  

 

(as a side note if the solenoid is physically jamming up, can it be lubed/cleaned up and made to operate freely once more?)

[Six-cylinder]

24 minutes ago, Andyrew said:

@Mrs6C

Want me to try find a starter solenoid for dolly?

Does anyone have a pic of the old one?

Yes please.

@LightBulbFun do you have a picture and or part number the starter solenoid?

[LightBulbFun]

6 minutes ago, Six-cylinder said:

Yes please.

@LightBulbFun do you have a picture and or part number the starter solenoid?

not sure I have a picture on hand but here is hopefully a useful excerpt from the Steyr Puch 500cc engine service manual 

Quote

The cars are equipped with a Bosch regulator type RS/TBA 160/12/1 and a separately fitted Bosch starter relay type 0.333.009.003.

I assume the "starter relay" is the starter solenoid in this case?

 

if a replacement is needed, im sure if all else fails, haflinger technik will have the right part in stock  (and if they dont have the correct part in stock, then I know a Steyr Puch 500 specialist in Austria who will for sure!)

[Six-cylinder]

Andyrew is going to have a look if he can find one for this weekend but needs a clue what he is looking for, can you copy the parts manual please.

 

[LightBulbFun]

6 minutes ago, Six-cylinder said:

Andyrew is going to have a look if he can find one for this weekend but needs a clue what he is looking for, can you copy the parts manual please.

DHSS Workshop Manual For The Model 70 Three Wheeler(OCR).pdf

here is the workshop manual

I can PM @Andyrew (or you) the DHSS spare parts list (it contains chassis and registration numbers so I dont want to post that publicly) but it sadly does not contain anything useful with regards to the starter solenoid that I can see

 

however checking the ol Spare parts stash list, shows a "solenoid" listed in box 2, perhaps thats worth a look?  (it just says solenoid, but im not sure there are any others on a Model 70 beside the starter one!)