The grumpy thread

[sierraman]

Their metal shelves are really handy for the garage. You wouldn’t put a fucking gearbox on one but for tins of paint etc they’re great for ten quid. Got my eye on one of their unfinished pine cupboards as well. Unusually for domestic furniture they look up to getting knocked about in the garage.

[chadders]

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/wisely

I know what wisely is.

 

I was maybe not as clear as I needed to be.

I wanted to know what you meant by 'the issue is with definitions'

[SierraMikeHotel]

 

 

I don't enjoy joining these types of discussions but this comment is so extreme I couldn't let it pass unchallenged. It is quite extraordinarily authoritarian and controlling.

 

...

 

No doubt I will be flamed for this comment and I am fully expecting to be laughed at by people who have not understood me. But I feel it has to be said.

Not intended as a flame, and it's possible I've misunderstood you, but I think you are incorrect.

 

We have never had freedom of speech in the UK. You have never been allowed to defame others. Public Order offences have existed for a very long time.

 

More recently, laws around certain protected characteristics have come in, and been strengthened over time, because we have finally realised that those people need extra protection from the law because they are more vulnerable. You are not allowed to say something racist, or derogatory to disabled people, not because of "thought police" but because those words cause serious harm.

 

I wholeheartedly agree with DW and Chaseracer, free speech does carry an enormous responsibility.

[Lacquer Peel]

Even in the country where a lot of the "free speech" panic comes from their version of "free speech" only serves to protect the powerful.

The same happens here to an extent.

[vulgalour]

Can't we all just get along?

 

*checks card*

 

BINGO!

[Junkman]

those words cause serious harm.

No word has ever caused serious harm.

[HMC]

My r53 Mini Cooper s has just shat out a load of coolant- maybe HGF? Dunno if these are known for it

 

#its a mini adventure

[SierraMikeHotel]

No word has ever caused serious harm.

I never know when you're joking, but that is staggeringly, toweringly wrong and there's a ton of evidence to prove it.

[Mally]

No word has ever caused serious harm.

It's a while ago, but

"Let him have it"

[iainrcz]

Hopefully you’ll make it out alive. The food hall reminds me of school dinners, if you don’t like processed meat you’ll go hungry.

Had a coffee, a wander.

Nothing too taxing.

Even did a drift in the carpark for two old people, they loved it.

 

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[robinmasters]

No word has ever caused serious harm.

 

It's a while ago, but

"Let him have it"

More pendantry; that's four words.

[NorthernMonkey]

No word has ever caused serious harm.

Fire!?

 

Sorry, I’ll get my coat

[The Moog]

Even did a drift in the carpark for two old people, they loved it.

 

#coolkids

[Mally]

 

 

More pendantry; that's four words.

If you took the time to read it you would see that Junkman shortened the original.

[Magnificent Rustbucket]

Not intended as a flame, and it's possible I've misunderstood you, but I think you are incorrect.

 

We have never had freedom of speech in the UK. You have never been allowed to defame others. Public Order offences have existed for a very long time.

 

More recently, laws around certain protected characteristics have come in, and been strengthened over time, because we have finally realised that those people need extra protection from the law because they are more vulnerable. You are not allowed to say something racist, or derogatory to disabled people, not because of "thought police" but because those words cause serious harm.

 

I wholeheartedly agree with DW and Chaseracer, free speech does carry an enormous responsibility.

 

 

It is not absolute, but it does exist. The law of defamation sets a high bar with strong defences. So to does Article 10 of the ECHR. The law does set limits as I also believe it should, but these are far below that imposed by Autoshite. The moderators here elect to go further than they have to. The harm held in words varies. At all but the extremes, where this is determined is arbitary.

 

Time for my coat, I think.

[SierraMikeHotel]

No no, it's an interesting topic and as you've pointed out there are differing laws that have to be balanced against each other. My point was just that you can't say what you like with freedom from the consequences.

[loserone]

The moderators here SHOULD go further than the law requires. Because forum rule number 1 is do not be a cun, or something along those lines

[vulgalour]

"freedom of speech" should mean the ability to say whatever you like but to also accept there are consequences.

 

Internet "freedom of speech" seems to mean the ability to say whatever you like and to never experience any consequences whatsoever.

 

The former is reasonable, the latter is cuntery.

[iainrcz]

#coolkids

Fast and T' Furious - South Yorkshire drift.

 

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[Cavcraft]

 

Internet "freedom of speech" seems to mean the ability to say whatever you like and to never experience any consequences whatsoever.

 

The former is reasonable, the latter is cuntery.

 

Amen.

[mercrocker]

Since when does the UK have a culture?

 

[The Moog]

Game set and I think you will find.. match

 

[GrumpiusMaximus]

Game set and I think you will find.. match

 

 

Pull the other one, it's got bells on.  Etc.

[mercrocker]

Game set and I think you will find.. match

 

 

I think you will find those are Austrians....

[HillmanImp]

I think you will find those are Austrians....

Yup, can confirm thats Junkman.

[ChinaTom]

Ian,

 

I signed up to the other side just to see what it was like, as soon as I saw the Hubnut/Ian bashing I left, the name calling and general playground behaviour is appalling - those people need to take a long hard look in the mirror. The atmosphere over there absolutely stinks!!!

 

Stay around here, I know I will be and I'll be in my forum too.

 

Your content brings much more than than what those people could ever offer.

 

 

Stick around.

 

Those fuckers *sorry* can go swivel.

 

 

 

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Oh the irony. Good luck with your forum.

 

All I get from this is “yeah yeah those nasty potty mouths. What a bunch of fuckers”

 

At least it is grumpy.

[strangeangel]

I think some people on the dark side need to get over themselves and stop trolling me. To think I was on some moral crusade just to protect my channel is ludicrous. If I objected about the tone of posts, it was only because I didn't agree with the tone of the post. The way things are going at the moment, I'm minded to join the exodus.

 

Bellends all; just ignore them. I've certainly got a few more names to go on my list.

[ChinaTom]

Amen.

Oi! No religion! “So be it” would be more appropriate for God’s sake!!

[strangeangel]

Since when does the UK have a culture?

 

That comment is unworthy of you, seriously.

[Saabnut]

My grump is personal spats taking over the grumpy thread! Please stop it or I will have to call for MORE moderation to split them out. There are already threads for this subject, can we have the grumpy thread left for grumps rather than moans.