The grumpy thread

[mrbenn]

Thanks to everyone and your kind words of advice and help!!

 

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Glad things are looking better. Felt sick for you when I read your earlier post

[cpjitservices]

Glad things are looking better. Felt sick for you when I read your earlier post

Thanks man! Im sure it will all work out, but the Outlook yesterday did look pretty grim! Things are looking better after last night!

[sierraman]

"Traditional lifestyle" and lack of bank account availability for those with no fixed abode I think were the reasons cited....

Ought to be tough shit. Want to sell scrap then you have to have an account.

[Pillock]

I find this mentality from Microsoft so annoying. I want a laptop for when I want to use it, it’s not a dog, I don’t buy it expecting to have to feed and nurture it. It is a piece of equipment that I buy so I can use it as and when needed. I wouldn’t buy a toaster that I had to turn on every week so it will heat up when I need it, sadly due to a grade A knob called Gates cornering the market that’s where you are buying a laptop under a grand.

But then, your toaster doesn't do so much in the background that it constantly needs to be updated to keep it secure.

 

If your toaster hacked into thousands of other computers if it wasn't kept up to date, you'd be a bit miffed. But a toaster just toasts.

 

Recommend a Chromebook highly if you just want to turn it on and do stuff.

[Slartibartfast]

I was also going to suggest Chromebook. Or a used Macbook, it'll perform about as well as a cheapish new PC and won't have this update issue.

 

Or befriend a kindly geek and enlist their services to Linux you up.

[Des]

All computers, even Win10 ones, are great until they're connected to the internet. I don't remember all this grief with Ceefax.

[sierraman]

Apple are grade a cunts after that debacle with planned obsolescence. When I have to go in one of their shops and speak to one of those supercilious fuckers that work there it makes my head want to explode when they announce that 2 years is entirely reasonable for a £200 piece of equipment to last.

[taxi paul]

Good work Mr services. It is hard work trying to build a business and working. I done it for 6 months when I bought my black cab. I also have been guilty always working and leaving my wife to bring up my now older kids when they were little. Now I am on my own I realise how bloody hard it is. My daughter took my little two out on Monday. She rang and asked if I wanted to meet her in the pub for my tea. No thanks dear!! you have the kids and I want to sit and eat my tea without having to referee a fight, get one a drink, help on PlayStation and a load of other things. At least you have spoken about it and recognised the problem. Good luck to you all.

[SiC]

Or a used Macbook, it'll perform about as well as a cheapish new PC and won't have this update issue.

HAHAHAHAHA.

 

I've just had to wait half hour being unable to do any work while MacOS on my company MacBook updated itself this morning. The progress indicator was far worse than modern Windows too. Said 10 minutes ... 5 minutes ... 15 minutes ... then gave up guessing and disappeared. This has a i7 in, so not too much of a low-rent machine either.

 

TL;dr everything needs updating.

[Tamworthbay]

If you don't like it use ChromeOS, or a mac, or one of the many flavours of Linux which you can use for free. No one forces you to use Microsofts tools.

Updates are necessary to reduce the number of people who would otherwise be posting "My laptop got hacked and all my bank details, intellectual property and dick pics got stolen, its all someone elses fault!"

 

FYI Gates has had next to nothing to do with MS daily activities for going on 20 years. He has given literally BILLIONS to charity, and these days runs the Bill & Melinda gates foundation which is improving countless peoeples lives in every corner of the globe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation

 

What a "Grade A knob" eh.

The same charity that uses Monsanto products to lock farmers into a system that puts them at the complete control of those selling the products they need to grow their crops? Before you believe the hype it’s worth looking beyond the gurning face that is hoping to be president one day. https://www.pambazuka.org/governance/another-missionary-africa-bill-gates-myth so yes, A grade A knob.

Monsanto are one of the dodgiest companies on Earth, I used to work for one of their main competitors and there was nothing they wouldn’t do (the company I worked for weren’t much better. One of the reasons I left).

 

But enough of Bill Gates love in attempts, this is the grumpy thread, stupid update times made the person I quoted grumpy, they also make me grumpy. Nuff said.

 

 

Thanks Pillock And Slarty for the suggestions, I looked into used MacBooks but the budget and usage didn’t seem to warrant it (live and learn) Didn’t even look at chrome books but will have a nose next time we replace.

[cpjitservices]

Good work Mr services. It is hard work trying to build a business and working. I done it for 6 months when I bought my black cab. I also have been guilty always working and leaving my wife to bring up my now older kids when they were little. Now I am on my own I realise how bloody hard it is. My daughter took my little two out on Monday. She rang and asked if I wanted to meet her in the pub for my tea. No thanks dear!! you have the kids and I want to sit and eat my tea without having to referee a fight, get one a drink, help on PlayStation and a load of other things. At least you have spoken about it and recognised the problem. Good luck to you all.

Thanks mate, sincerely.

[The Moog]

Was under bonnet so I don't think it is that

Those bolts for the airbox.

 

Found them!

I had put them safely in the ash tray.

[Tamworthbay]

Those bolts for the airbox.

Found them!

I had put them safely in the ash tray.

Mx5 ashtrays seem designed to hide ‘surplus’ fixings in.

[Lacquer Peel]

The Gates Foundation might do some good but it funds charter schools and charter school propaganda in the US. These are privately run schools funded by the government.

Basically furthering the privatisation/small government agenda and doing nothing about the real causes of poor education like poverty.

[myglaren]

If you don't like it use ChromeOS, or a mac, or one of the many flavours of Linux which you can use for free. No one forces you to use Microsofts tools.

Updates are necessary to reduce the number of people who would otherwise be posting "My laptop got hacked and all my bank details, intellectual property and dick pics got stolen, its all someone elses fault!"

 

FYI Gates has had next to nothing to do with MS daily activities for going on 20 years. He has given literally BILLIONS to charity, and these days runs the Bill & Melinda gates foundation which is improving countless peoeples lives in every corner of the globe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation

 

What a "Grade A knob" eh.

 

 

 

This may not be a popular opinion but as a terminal Linux user - I have four versions on three machines - Linux updates are totally painless and I have never had one cause a problem - updates are very frequent. 

 

You always have the choice of accepting or rejecting them, they update in the background without any impact on what you may be doing and very, very rarely require a restart and if they do it is left to the user to restart at their convenience. 

 

Even a complete upgrade to a newer version doesn't impact seriously - it all happens in the background until reboot time -again, when you chose to reboot and it is usually all over in about ten minutes, often less.

 

Depending on what you do then of course Linux may not be suitable for your requirements, in which case enjoy the misery that is Windows.

[cort16]

The front brakes are getting hot on the Corina . I thought the slider pins were hanging up the pads but I cleaned and straightened them and it’s still doing it .

 

I took the calliper off and one of the pistons is stuck like an absolute bastard. I wanted to take it to a car show on Sunday so I’ve left it stewing in wd40 with the hope I can knock it out with a chisel tomorrow and clean it up.

[Eddie Honda]

Linux updates are totally painless and I have never had one cause a problem

"totally painless" and "never"? As a long-term Linux botherer, I can't claim I've ever come across this state of nirvana. Regardless of OS, an update can be a PITA and they can cause a problem.

[myglaren]

I must be one of the lucky ones then.

[New POD]

Cost of houses etc in Oban, still thinking of applying for that job but not sure I could afford to move.

 

I'd rather be further south but it's a lot closer to where I want to be than here.

We went to Oban whilst on holiday the other week. It was raining and yet the locals seemed cheery enough. Basically it's a town the size of Fleetwood but 100 miles from anywhere.

[iainrcz]

It's near food and beer. It'll do for me.

We went to Oban whilst on holiday the other week. It was raining and yet the locals seemed cheery enough. Basically it's a town the size of Fleetwood but 100 miles from anywhere.

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[Zelandeth]

Another Linux user here. Jumped ship after a brief run in with Vista. Either something had to change or the PC was going to get punted out the second floor flat window.

 

Never looked back.

 

Started on Ubuntu in 2007, switched to Mint in 2010 when they faffed around with Gnome 3, and have most recently started moving to Debian itself.

 

Have never had an update brick anything. I have managed to break things a few times, but even then...a full OS reinstall takes about 20 minutes!

 

Linux has so far not done anything to actively annoy me. Windows on the other hand usually has me climbing the walls after about five minutes.

 

What makes me laugh is that I seem to spend infinity *more* time in the command prompt in Windows these days than I do at the Terminal on any of my Linux machines!

[burraston2006]

Up at the crack of sparrows this morning(04:30) so went out for the early morning cigarette. Counted 38 bastard slugs on the lawn. Where the fxxk did they come from and where do they hide in the day?! It's not as if the lawn is the size of a golf course- a postal stamp would cover it. The bastards must have been fighting each other for a blade of grass each! Grump over. Is it too early for a pint yet?

[Cavcraft]

Not for the slugs, it isn’t.

[GrumpiusMaximus]

Got the keys for our new house yesterday.  This is the good bit.  And there's very little in regards to snagging, etc. we've noticed, which is a relief.

 

On the other hand, we move in properly next Friday and we still have a fuckton to do.  I believe that's the correct unit for irritating tasks?

 

Urgh.

[Crispian_J_Hotson]

Chrome book? Linux? That other Mac thing? I still use my Tesco Hudl 1 which I have kept working by using 3 other Hudl 1's as parts! It's great*. I always wanted to jailbreak it but never bothered and now I don't think anyone knows what a Hudl 1 is anymore. I'm sure it involves wires, numbers, downloadings and stuff like that so it can stay as it is.

 

Microsoft really piss me off from their updates as grumbled above, their shit windows phones which I tried to persevere with from day 1 which are STILL crap, and XBox which I also tried to be a fan of for some time. Xbox rewards? "here's your monthly statement... 0 points" -buying new releases for 360 only to find that One was going to come out and kill it off so re-bought the same games...  And I even bought a fucking One from Microsoft on top of the one I already bought on day of release and every other game I got on day of release and only to find they were working on 'scorpio' or whatever the fuck it is, streaming, participating, downloading... "here's your monthly statement... 0 points". No points?!... I'll give you a point... I sold the lot for a tun, fuck em.

 

See? Now I'm grumpy... I'm off to rip some more parts off of the Land Rover again...

[Des]

I think you've just hit on THE universal solution for any and all computer problems there pal, go and meddle with a Land Rover.

[cpjitservices]

Another Linux user here. Jumped ship after a brief run in with Vista. Either something had to change or the PC was going to get punted out the second floor flat window.

 

Never looked back.

 

Started on Ubuntu in 2007, switched to Mint in 2010 when they faffed around with Gnome 3, and have most recently started moving to Debian itself.

 

Have never had an update brick anything. I have managed to break things a few times, but even then...a full OS reinstall takes about 20 minutes!

 

Linux has so far not done anything to actively annoy me. Windows on the other hand usually has me climbing the walls after about five minutes.

 

What makes me laugh is that I seem to spend infinity *more* time in the command prompt in Windows these days than I do at the Terminal on any of my Linux machines!

My entire business just about runs on Linux and it's different flavours we do have a couple of Windows Servers and for the most part they are behaving (Server 2016), we do support Windows users as the businesses we manage are 99% heavily Windows.

 

Our servers all run Linux, the virtualization we use is Linux based. Windows just hampers everything too much. I think our Windows servers are serving some legacy Windows apps that's the only reason they are running really, they aren't our apps by we host them for other companies. But, Linux all the way. I have 4 pcs and my main laptop runs Linux. I think I'm using KDE Neon on my laptop at present but I want to try out POP Linux so might format and try it.

 

I can imagine it now, on site call out, laptop running Windows... Turn it on for diagnostics or whatever and then wait 30 mins for updates to bum me. Linux, turn it on and do what I need to do within a minute.

[PhilA]

I can imagine it now, on site call out, laptop running Windows... Turn it on for diagnostics or whatever and then wait 30 mins for updates to bum me. Linux, turn it on and do what I need to do within a minute.

Don't imagine it, I have had that happen. Laptop had been sitting on the side at work, switched on, plugged in on standby for about a week. Wake it up, hit the power button, flip the lid down, stuff it into bag ready for 2am start at a remote location.

 

Maintenance started at about 3:30 when the damn thing had rebooted twice doing some huge freaking update. That sucked large balls.

 

The other irritating behavior of Windows is to not correctly delete the cache of update files it downloads, then sits and spends twenty minutes loading them all to check if they're up to date. Why the hell can't they each contain a small header that is easy to cross reference? I'm sure it doesn't have to load the entire damn file and make my computer unstable as it's thrashing the hard drive?

 

I mean, computers are eminently more capable of taking care of themselves these days than they ever were before (remember isa sound drivers in windows 3.1?) but please. Don't make it so the perfectly capable machine I have is allowed to be slowed to a crawl by too many layers of corporate management.

[cpjitservices]

Don't imagine it, I have had that happen. Laptop had been sitting on the side at work, switched on, plugged in on standby for about a week. Wake it up, hit the power button, flip the lid down, stuff it into bag ready for 2am start at a remote location.

 

Maintenance started at about 3:30 when the damn thing had rebooted twice doing some huge freaking update. That sucked large balls.

 

The other irritating behavior of Windows is to not correctly delete the cache of update files it downloads, then sits and spends twenty minutes loading them all to check if they're up to date. Why the hell can't they each contain a small header that is easy to cross reference? I'm sure it doesn't have to load the entire damn file and make my computer unstable as it's thrashing the hard drive?

 

I mean, computers are eminently more capable of taking care of themselves these days than they ever were before (remember isa sound drivers in windows 3.1?) but please. Don't make it so the perfectly capable machine I have is allowed to be slowed to a crawl by too many layers of corporate management.

Yep, MS fired all of their development team too I believe so don't expect it to get any better!

[PhilA]

I thought that went to China years ago.