The grumpy thread

[Craig the Princess]

And duplicate posts. Grump.

[Snipes]

The last time I worked with the NHS they forced them to only work on projects with prime contractors, which meant only very large and expensive companies like bt could sell

Solutions into the NHS . This meant all the innovation was squeezed out of the industry and the large companies fulfilled their briefs by paying for expensive contractors who rarely finish projects on time or on budget. I think they do pretty well given what the have to do over all though.

I was a subbie in a recent project that gutted an existing building and re-purposed it as a medical care centre at one of the big London hospitals. I have never known a site to where the "client" has been so hostile.

[Sheefag]

Do you know the guy was a "scumbag drug dealer" for a fact? If not, forming opinions based on assumptions/Facebook/news media isn't that smart. Nor is expressing those opinions in public.

 

House plastered with cctv cameras? - ✓

Designer clothing but no visible means of support?- ✓

Several luxury cars including Lamborghinin but no visible means of support? - ✓

Acquitted of attempted murder when prosecution witness went rogue?-✓

Survived being shot last year? - ✓

 

Mother Teresa isn't the first name that springs to mind.

[Lacquer Peel]

Fuck drug dealers too, poor little bastards who might get arrested for breaking the law. At risk of getting into political topics my liberalism stops before it reaches the life ruining bastards. And that isn't just because my junkie neighbours keep stinking my house out with their god awful weed.

I was trolling a little but I have no problem with people selling a bit of weed. The problem is with your neighbours being loser stoners and prohibition, not the drugs.

[dollywobbler]

It's his previous for some sort of drive-by that makes me suspect he isn't exactly the friendly type. In the UK, we generally (bar one poor Brazilian) don't have a habit of our Police shooting ethnics for fun. Obviously, we don't have all the facts to know exactly what went down, but this is the internet, so I'm going to suggest the gentleman was not a gentleman.

[Sheefag]

'No Angel' is the stock phrase you're searching for, it's in the cliche' drawer next to 'Promising Footballer' and 'Aspiring Rapper'.

[BavarianRetro]

I wasn't suggesting that he was an upstanding citizen, just that the fact that he was shot by the police, doesn't, of itself, make him a drug dealing scumbag.

There are certainly very few possibilities for a legitimate reason to have a gun in the car and it's not looking good on the "drug dealing scumbag" front, but then Jean Charles de Menenez was a scumbag suicide bomber, wasn't he?

 

And even if he (this guy, not de Menenez) was a drug dealing scumbag, with a gun in the car, I'm not sure that - without further information - shooting him dead is justifiable. It may well be, but we need to know more than that he was a drug dealing scumbag. He appeared to be inside the car, sitting in the driver's seat, not outside waving the gun about.

[nebuchenezer]

Owwwww!

 

Fuckity fuckity fuckstiks - Fucking back has decided to remind me that it is capable of crippling me at random!

 

That'l teach me to load up the car with lightweight stuff.

[Sheefag]

The shooting of Jean Charles de Menenez was a tragedy, I very much doubt this was.

The only similarity is that it was as a result of a Police operation.

 

To paraphase Orwell, I'm grateful that 'rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm'

[Supernaut]

Mornings........ just FRO!

Yes, you really did win a Volvo S40 last night.

[BavarianRetro]

The shooting of Jean Charles de Menenez was a tragedy, I very much doubt this was.

The only similarity is that it was as a result of a Police operation.

 

To paraphase Orwell, I'm grateful that 'rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm'

I wonder if you'd be so gung ho if it was a member of your family who had been shot, drug dealing scumbag or otherwise.

 

I'm not saying it wasn't justified, just that for the Police to legitimately shoot someone dead, there has to be some real justification.

 

I try to keep up with the news, and I haven't yet heard anything that would justify it. A gun (we havent even been told it was unlicensed - though its hardly likely that it was) in the car and a whole load of other non life threatening circumstances, don't, at the moment, justify it.

[Sheefag]

What part of my post -

The shooting of Jean Charles de Menenez was a tragedy,

Was 'Gung Ho'? The whole 'what if it were a member of my family' thing is just lazy.

 

I doubt if either of us have the ability or training to judge whether a stop on a vehicle that intelligence connects with armed villains is 'non life threatening'.

[BavarianRetro]

Good sophistry. Choose to quote the only sentence in your post that wasn't "gung ho".

 

I'm not making judgements. You are - or were. Going on past form, you'll have edited them out by now.

 

My biggest grump now is my forgetting that getting into a discussion with you is utterly pointless.

[Craig the Princess]

I was trolling a little but I have no problem with people selling a bit of weed. The problem is with your neighbours being loser stoners and prohibition, not the drugs.

TBH the problem is that there is a view that cannibis is harmless and soft touch enforcement. Now if they legalised (with sutible taxation and health warnings) oral cannibis that would be OK.

[AMC Rebel]

Both sides -

 

The twats trying to riot

 

and

 

People rushing to condemn a dead bloke

 

are getting too far ahead of themselves IMHO.

 

 

It pains me to say it (a bit) but even if he proves to be the scummyiest of the scum, we still need to be sure about the circumstances - as much as we may feel "good riddance" or "he's no loss" etc, if we start thinking that the cops must always be 100% right to kill people, we're on a slippery slop (IMHO of course).  And I say that as someone who would cheerfully pull the trigger on Dale Cregan.

[Cavcraft]

they nearly always have the best of gear.

 

You try saying that with a nose full of Vim.

[NorfolkNWeigh]

The BBC with typical lazy ,thoughtless journalism weren't helping yesterday , by starting every Radio report , that I heard on R2 and R4, with

" Police yesterday, shot and killed a man , in what they say, was a planned operation"

 

WTF? Shoot to kill policy introduced in Yorkshire. Talk about about robust Policing!

[mercrocker]

It is another example of lazy journalism.....Correct phrase would have been "Yesterday, Police shot and killed a man during, what they say, was a planned operation."     

  

Of course, knowing the BBC, there was a slant to their coverage and they fully intended to convey the meaning that could have been inferred....

[AMC Rebel]

The BBC with typical lazy ,thoughtless journalism weren't helping yesterday , by starting every Radio report , that I heard on R2 and R4, with

" Police yesterday, shot and killed a man , in what they say, was a planned operation"

 

WTF? Shoot to kill policy introduced in Yorkshire. Talk about about robust Policing!

 

 

It is another example of lazy journalism.....Correct phrase would have been "Yesterday, Police shot and killed a man during, what they say, was a planned operation."     

  

Of course, knowing the BBC, there was a slant to their coverage and they fully intended to convey the meaning that could have been inferred....

 

Thanks, gents.  I knew there was something that didn't quite sit right with the way that was being reported yesterday but I couldn't quite work it out (it's my age).

[Sheefag]

 

The shooting of Jean Charles de Menenez was a tragedy, I very much doubt this was.

The only similarity is that it was as a result of a Police operation.

 

To paraphase Orwell, I'm grateful that 'rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm'

 

Good sophistry. Choose to quote the only sentence in your post that wasn't "gung ho".

 

I'm not making judgements. You are - or were. Going on past form, you'll have edited them out by now.

 

My biggest grump now is my forgetting that getting into a discussion with you is utterly pointless.

 

I edit my posts. I treat every post as a draft. if I think my post can be improved in any way, I edit it. The facility exists and so I use it,

I've just edited this one.

 

I've quoted the complete, unedited post, I've never heard George Orwell described as 'Gung Ho' before, nor can I see the quote used in a 'Gung Ho' fashion.

 

I am making a judgement, I think that based upon that which I've read, Yassar Yaqub probably got what was coming to him.

I'm open minded enough to change my mind if the evidence emerges to suggest otherwise however.

 

It's not really a discussion if the only acceptable outcome is for me to agree with whatever position you take but I'm always open to persuasion that I'm wrong through the medium of reasoned, logical, factual argument.

[Bren]

Could nt cycle to gym as tyre flat and foot pump goosed.

 

Drove to gym to find it had moved - 4 miles away.

 

Got home - bulb failure on Vectra despite new bulbs and a new holder.

 

Bog blocked again.

 

And it's only fucking dinner time.....

[Ghosty]

Went out to my Deliveroo taster session, and the bastard trainer did a no-show.

Arrive at requested place, 10:50am for an 11 start (it said be five minutes early).

11:10, still nobody here. Call up the number on the confirmation form, ask what's going on. Definitely in the meeting place specified (outside a self storage unit - and it couldn't be inside as you needed a key to get in), I've done all I can, this isn't my fault. Sit tight they say, we'll call the Manchester office and see what's going on.

Another 40 minutes passes, I'm fucking freezing now and I can't feel my toes. 11:50 I get a phone call from somewhere in Manchester, a guy tells me that the trainer is unavailable - no shit, I've been waiting for him an hour. It seems they genuinely didn't know because the guy backpedalled a bit when I pointed out how long I'd been waiting.

Okay, while you're here shall we reschedule you, he says. Seemed to falter a bit, then offers 1pm tomorrow. Alright, good enough. I set off home.

Email and text confirmations come through a little after, 13th Jan, 3pm.

Eh?

Called them up again to ask what gives, and it seems like the first guy confused himself and started talking out of his arse, because the very pleasant lady on the phone said that 3pm on the 13th is the next available appointment.

Now credit where credit's due, all the office folk I've dealt with today have done a decent enough job, all this is due to one fuckwit going AWOL for whatever reason. 

I'm pissed off because it's a week's pay down the drain for no good reason, and i'm just going to be on my arse instead - and I had my eye on that 216 cabrio...

 

Came home and there's some post from me from an Amazon Marketplace seller, but of course they've got my order wrong too.

 

Can't catch a bloody break can I?

[NorfolkNWeigh]

Garages ripping people off, I thought this sort of thing had died out. Naive I know, but the scale of these jokers, just because it was a young girl.

Tuesday got a call from daughter, her mate was distraught. Took 56 plate Clio for MOT, got a call ,failed. Quote to repair £1475, yes fourteen hundred and seventy five pounds! I got reg and looked up the fail. Airbag light, emissions, a leaky back box and some bushes

I told her to pay for the MOT and pick it up, yesterday she took it to Zubin and Mo, my favourite part worn tyre and MOT emporium . This morning she called round with a bottle of whiskey and box of Quality Street, she'd just collected the Clio and paid £185 including another MOT.

Apparently the first place were also including a fuel pump and cambelt which also failed the MOT but don't appear on fail sheet !! Piss taking Cowboys .

[cort1977]

I am making a judgement, I think that based upon that which I've read, Yassar Yaqub probably got what was coming to him.

I'm open minded enough to change my mind if the evidence emerges to suggest otherwise however.

 

 

But is probably good enough?   The point that Bavarian Retro is making is that 'probably a wrong 'un' is not sufficient justification for shooting a man dead.   Even if, as seems highly likely, he was an armed drug dealer that doesn't justify shooting him out of hand.   I believe that the British police armed units are professional for the most part and think this is likely a legally justified shooting but the way it was reported and saying he 'got what was coming to him' is the start of a slippery slope.

 

Take it from me living in a country where the police can shoot people more or less with impunity does not make you sleep easy at night.

[Pillock]

Hey, that MOT has got loads stricter if it also includes cambelts and fuel pumps.

 

I bet Junkman even approves of it now.

[AMC Rebel]

Could nt cycle to gym as tyre flat and foot pump goosed.

 

Drove to gym to find it had moved - 4 miles away.

 

Got home - bulb failure on Vectra despite new bulbs and a new holder.

 

Bog blocked again.

 

And it's only fucking dinner time.....

 

These are the kind of days where the good lord is telling you to just go back to bed (or go to the pub).  

[outlaw118]

Some utter Cuntburger has broken into Stepdaughter's 306 outside her flat in Plaistow; nicked the stereo. Left a lighter on the front seat, so hopefully the old bill will be there soon and get some dabs / clues.

No glass broken, door apparently ok, so who knows how they got in.

 

Got the standard Peugeot stereo to go back in, but there seems no point, will be for sale soon anyway.... POOSSIBLE ROFFALL?

[Supernaut]

Job adverts with no actual salary listed, or just £Competitive.

 

Jog on. At least give me a ballpark figure to let me know if it's worthwhile to apply.

[Supernaut]

Some utter Cuntburger has broken into Stepdaughter's 306 outside her flat in Plaistow; nicked the stereo. Left a lighter on the front seat, so hopefully the old bill will be there soon and get some dabs / clues.

No glass broken, door apparently ok, so who knows how they got in.

 

Got the standard Peugeot stereo to go back in, but there seems no point, will be for sale soon anyway.... POOSSIBLE ROFFALL?

 

Ooooh a 306!

 

What engine is it?

[panhard65]

Some utter Cuntburger has broken into Stepdaughter's 306 outside her flat in Plaistow; nicked the stereo. Left a lighter on the front seat, so hopefully the old bill will be there soon and get some dabs / clues.

No glass broken, door apparently ok, so who knows how they got in.

 

Got the standard Peugeot stereo to go back in, but there seems no point, will be for sale soon anyway.... POOSSIBLE ROFFALL?

If the coppers even bother to turn up I would be surprised and it is very unlikely they will even try to get prints off the lighter. I had a shed broken into some years ago when I lived in the south east. The dip shits left a torch behind. The copper did turn up to my surprise and asked me to bag the torch up for them. 6 Weeks later he came back round to give me the torch as they didn't get any prints off it and no one claimed it so I could have it. Cracking deal that was lost a few hundred quids worth of tools, but got a pound shop torch so that made up for it.