Cheeky f***er used car dealer

[NorthernMonkey]

1 hour ago, sierraman said:

time wasted is part and parcel of selling cars. The method described there could backfire big time if the seller changed their mind/didn’t turn up etc, he then won’t give the deposit back, the buyer then goes to their bank, reports it as a scam. He would very likely find his accounts frozen or worse closed down. 

I appreciate your point and while it's not for me to say his approach is right or wrong, it obviously works very well for him.

He's been operating this way for many years now with many online reviews etc, all highly positive.

[w00dy]

37 minutes ago, Bren said:

While we can all stick the boot in I think it is an indication of how much hard work it can be selling a cheap car - if it discourages the mouthbreathing twats who think their £795 car should be of equal quality as a two year old lexus then it's fair enough.

If you don't want to deal with idiots then it's the wrong game to be in. I wouldn't entertain it ever as to me it's just an easy way to ensure you get some money whether they buy or not and discourages actually taking the time to properly describe a car.

[barefoot]

I've not been to a dealers in many, many years. But I am interested in buying another car, the likes of which I have never driven. On Monday morning, I am planning to visit a dealer who has one in stock, to take a test drive. It's about four or five times what I want to pay, so I have no intention of buying it, but if I don't take advantage of chap, I'll find myself buying totally blind. Am I wrong to do this?

[Timewaster]

Hey @barefoot, If i take my socks off, wanna swap usernames?

 

In all reality, if you are test driving a £10,000 example and then going to buy a £2000 example, the test drive is not going to tell you a lot anyway. 

[sierraman]

Can see how it might work at the top end but couple of grand cars I can’t see it myself. If I went to look for a thousand quid car tomorrow, chances are 6 of the ten cars you’d look at would be bags of shite. Imagine the nightmare of getting the deposits back. 

[garbaldy]

58 minutes ago, barefoot said:

I've not been to a dealers in many, many years. But I am interested in buying another car, the likes of which I have never driven. On Monday morning, I am planning to visit a dealer who has one in stock, to take a test drive. It's about four or five times what I want to pay, so I have no intention of buying it, but if I don't take advantage of chap, I'll find myself buying totally blind. Am I wrong to do this?

And this is why the dealer wants a deposit.

[sierraman]

I can imagine saying to some absolute meat head ‘Sorry mate I’m keeping that £1,000 cause you don’t want to buy the car’. 

[garbaldy]

6 minutes ago, sierraman said:

I can imagine saying to some absolute meat head ‘Sorry mate I’m keeping that £1,000 cause you don’t want to buy the car’. 

Where the hell did you get a grand from it's £80 isn't it,  even still you'd have to be brave or stupid to say you couldn't have your 80 quid back to some people.

[loserone]

1 hour ago, Timewaster said:

the test drive is not going to tell you a lot anyway.

It might tell you that you can't live with how bad the ride is, or uncomfortable the seats are, or that you don't fit (unless you are actually @Jim Bell and don't fit in AXs , SLKs or MGFs but keep buying them anyway.)

 

Well worth doing before parting with hours of research finding a good enough private sale example.  

 

I heard a tale last week about how this turned the other way.  Chap goes to test drive a SMART CAR for £1200.  Decides he likes it but isn't paying that much.

Goes to buy one for £less hundreds of miles away with no test that's been laid up for a month or two.

Vendors landlord comments whilst waiting for the vendor to turn up that it's been sat there two years, they pushed it into place because it was broken, and how she was pleased it was going away.  After pricing up fixing and getting it transported, chap goes back to the dealer and just pays the asking price.  Worked there, maybe the dealer will impress you with a car in good nick and flexibility on price etc.

[barefoot]

27 minutes ago, loserone said:

It might tell you that you can't live with how bad the ride is, or uncomfortable the seats are, or that you don't fit

Well worth doing before parting with hours of research finding a good enough private sale example.  

That was my thinking. No matter how you try to put yourself in the seat next to that hubnut chap, you can't really experience the ride/comfort/noise until you do it for real.

[Jim Bell]

£80 non returnable deposit to look at a car? Wonder how much it is to not look at it. 

You can buy cars for less than that. 

 

[HillmanImp]

These lot that someone linked to in the Low cost big liability thread are at it too, although for a bit less:

https://www.binca.co.uk/

Add it it the fees (which don't explain how they're calculated) and you've got a right bargain ain't ya?

[Stinkwheel]

18 minutes ago, Jim Bell said:

You can buy cars for less than that. 

I think we all have, often.

[NorthernMonkey]

57 minutes ago, sierraman said:

Can see how it might work at the top end but couple of grand cars I can’t see it myself. If I went to look for a thousand quid car tomorrow, chances are 6 of the ten cars you’d look at would be bags of shite. Imagine the nightmare of getting the deposits back. 

I agree completely....most of his stuff ranges from £7k to £30k+ but even his cheap stuff is spot on

[Bren]

Personally I would take binoculars and stand over the road.

[sierraman]

2 hours ago, garbaldy said:

Where the hell did you get a grand from it's £80 isn't it,  even still you'd have to be brave or stupid to say you couldn't have your 80 quid back to some people.

My bad. I was trying to stuff a chicken curry down in 10 minutes between jobs. 

[Craig the Princess]

1 hour ago, Jim Bell said:

£80 non returnable deposit to look at a car? Wonder how much it is to not look at it. 

You can buy cars for less than that. 

 

It's almost three Nissan Almeras!

[NorthernMonkey]

1 hour ago, Craig the Princess said:

It's almost three Nissan Almeras!

Or five Bolton K11s

[dome]

4 hours ago, Timewaster said:

Hey @barefoot, If i take my socks off, wanna swap usernames?

 

In all reality, if you are test driving a £10,000 example and then going to buy a £2000 example, the test drive is not going to tell you a lot anyway. 

 

Not quite the same league but after looking at my S4 I went and drove one that was twice the price at a dealers to see where the first one was in the grand scheme of things.

The one at the dealers stank of fags and had a load of warning lights on the dash. Needless to say  bought the cheaper one!

[inconsistant]

2 hours ago, Bren said:

Personally I would take binoculars and stand over the road.

Google Earth + max zoom

[Kiltox]

2 hours ago, HillmanImp said:

These lot that someone linked to in the Low cost big liability thread are at it too, although for a bit less:

https://www.binca.co.uk/

Add it it the fees (which don't explain how they're calculated) and you've got a right bargain ain't ya?

This is a different thing. In this case they’re doing the whole WE ARE DEFINITELY A TRADE AUCTION, OK??? thing. To avoid having to stand behind the cars. 

Actual trade auctions (BCA etc) have those fees too. 
 

www.bincaretail.co.uk is where they sell the stuff that isn’t as badly knackered I assume.  Seems they do the £99 admin fee shite on those mind 

[HillmanImp]

6 minutes ago, Kiltox said:

This is a different thing. In this case they’re doing the whole WE ARE DEFINITELY A TRADE AUCTION, OK??? thing. To avoid having to stand behind the cars. 

Actual trade auctions (BCA etc) have those fees too. 
 

www.bincaretail.co.uk is where they sell the stuff that isn’t as badly knackered I assume.  Seems they do the £99 admin fee shite on those mind 

Yeah, I saw the 'this is a trade sale' thing in their t&c. 

Twats. 

[RoadworkUK]

Yeah, bit confusing, that....

"We are NOT a retail car sales, we're a trade company with an auction yard"

[HillmanImp]

If someone asked me whether I was interested in a 'dutch auction' I'd explain that I was flattered but I'm straight and I hope that they find someone else who is into that sort of thing. 

[Peter C]

Just found out that there's no link to the dealer's ad, apparently BIL was tipped off about the E39 by a friend and BIL got the contact details for the trader via Auto Trader. 

[New POD]

22 hours ago, Peter C said:

My BIL is still on the lookout for an E39 Sport in Touring flavour.

He found a potentially suitable car not far from home and gave the trade seller a call, with a view to see the car asap.

Much to BIL’s surprise, the seller told him that he is welcome to view the car subject to payment of a non refundable admin fee of £80. Regardless whether he would buy the car or not, the admin fee is payable.

WTF? I would have thought that in post Christmas, miserable January conditions car dealers would be offering freebies to potential buyers rather than alienating them with silly tricks.

Is this unusual?

Even Costco let's you in the store to browse without a CARD.  

I suppose it's better than turning up to buy a car and having a gun put to your head, and being made to pay cash for the car, and not being allowed to drive it ever. 

[New POD]

22 hours ago, Isaac Hunt said:

What a twat, £80 non refundable fee.   He’s probs got that idea from the car supermarkets who will take a car off sale for x days, fully refundable.  I checked it out for my Lad, then we went for it and bought the car.  It wasn’t an Autoshite Ride though

This lost a car supermarket a sale from me.

Wanted the best 2.2 accord diesel for under £5k. There's one in Wrexham and one on my way home from work 105 miles from work but 5 miles from home. 

Would I like to reserve it, with a refundable deposit. Nah. I'll be driving past in 5 hours time. 

So I get there, and it's Sold.

Bloke hasn't actually viewed it. 

But has paid a deposit. 

So the next day I went to Wrexham and bought that. Which was better.

I picked it up the following Friday, and popped into the car supermarket on the way past, cause the accord was on the forecourt. 

Yeah, they failed the finance, had to refund the deposit. 

When did they find out, if they'd have phoned me, I could have saved a trip to Wrexham 

[Cavcraft]

Maybe the way to do it is to agree to part-exchange your own car against whatever he's selling, then telling him it's not taxed so he has to collect it from you. Lock your garden gate and tell him you can open it for £80 to get the car out. 

[sierraman]

2 hours ago, HillmanImp said:

If someone asked me whether I was interested in a 'dutch auction' I'd explain that I was flattered but I'm straight and I hope that they find someone else who is into that sort of thing. 

I think that’s a Dutch rudder. 

[sierraman]

3 hours ago, Kiltox said:

This is a different thing. In this case they’re doing the whole WE ARE DEFINITELY A TRADE AUCTION, OK??? thing. To avoid having to stand behind the cars. 

Actual trade auctions (BCA etc) have those fees too. 
 

www.bincaretail.co.uk is where they sell the stuff that isn’t as badly knackered I assume.  Seems they do the £99 admin fee shite on those mind 

£12 then for a ride around a car park... Cheeky cunts. You might as well just actually go to the BCA and pay the buyers premium.