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[St.Jude]

1 minute ago, Minimad5 said:

Pictures or it didn't happen 🤷‍♂️

[GeorgeB]

18 minutes ago, Minimad5 said:

You've never publicly outed anyone else who has added images of a pie and a key to a thread, so why now ?

You really don't get it, do you?

He's a mod so needs to obey the rules.

[captain_70s]

33 minutes ago, GingerNuttz said:

I'm a pikey and I'm VERY offended !!! 

Can confirm. My Acclaim has been reconstructed entirely out of lead roof flashing, and the sound deadening is tarmac left over from another job m8

[GeorgeB]

15 minutes ago, brownnova said:

Indeed could all have been done by PM if it was actually about the word used.

I did PM you half an hour ago SiC in an attempt to put this to bed in a reasonable way. Not yet read. 

Did you apologise for breaking the rules?

[Minimad5]

Here we go 🥳

[GeorgeB]

1 minute ago, Minimad5 said:

Here we go 🥳

If you would shut up it might not drag on.

[HillmanImp]

33 minutes ago, SiC said:

Exactly. It's used as a derogative term. Commonly used against those from the Irish Traveller community.

Oddly, I was discussing this with a friend the other day and apparently its also a term Irish Travellers use to describe the ones in England. 

[BorniteIdentity]

2 minutes ago, GeorgeB said:

If you would shut up it might not drag on.

Said the pot, to the kettle, who was looking rather black dark err - whatever.

Good to see you still hanging around like a fart in a lift, Ben.

 

Ben.

[New POD]

43 minutes ago, GingerNuttz said:

I'm a pikey and I'm VERY offended !!! 

I find that unlikely, but I'll try to believe. 

[GeorgeB]

3 minutes ago, BorniteIdentity said:

Said the pot, to the kettle, who was looking rather black dark err - whatever.

Good to see you still hanging around like a fart in a lift, Ben.

 

Ben.

If you had been treated by the mods on here in the way that Ben was you might have an axe to grind, too.

[Tadhg Tiogar]

11 minutes ago, GeorgeB said:

....I'm offended that you are offended.

And there is the fundamental reason why society is disappearing up its own arse. 

Meanwhile, China continues to take over the world, and they're a lot more xenophobic and racist than anything we are capable of. 

[SiC]

36 minutes ago, brownnova said:

Indeed could all have been done by PM if it was actually about the word used.

I did PM you half an hour ago SiC in an attempt to put this to bed in a reasonable way. Not yet read. 

I don't often read or use PMs. Also a we're on a public forum and if a response is necessary to a post then I feel the appropriate place is on said public forum, given it was a public post. Anyhow, I've been too busy replying to this thread on my phone, which limits the speed I can type, to even read said PM.

So my post. Of course there are several factors involved here and why I posted.

Firstly the word. Yes it's not a nice word and it certainly shouldn't be used in that context. You say you weren't aware it was offensive. That surprises me considering the context used. Doesn't teacher training cover a lot of Race, Diversity and Inclusion?

Surely using a slang word on an ethnic group should have rang the alarm bells that it's probably not ok to use? Hence my surprise at you saying you were not aware.

Secondly, given a moderator made the post, what's the point in reporting it? It'll just go back to said moderators. All of which will happen in secret and no accountability. If rules are going to be enforced, why shouldn't they be abided by those enforcing them? Otherwise that is really rather hypocritical, no?

Thirdly, as this thread evidently shows, not everyone is aware of the offensive nature of the word. When people in positions of authority use offensive terms, it will normalise its use as acceptable. Calling it out as not right makes others aware it isn't right. This is how things change and change for the better. Turning a blind eye invariably doesn't solve problems.

Fourthly, why should it be the case that you're pointing out it was an Irish Traveller? That's tarring all with the same brush. Bringing up ethnicity implies that the event happened because it's their ethnicity was a factor.

[Dick Cheeseburger]

This one has been particularly popular. 

[Talbot]

2 minutes ago, GeorgeB said:

If you would shut up it might not drag on.

There's a Pot/kettle/black moment if ever I saw one.

 

I wasn't going to bother saying anything more, but I am going to respond point made two pages ago by SiC:

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Paki comes from the word Pakistan. That is also considered a racial slur. 

No.  "Paki" comes from a shortening of "Pakistani", describing a person from Pakistan.  It's *exactly* the same as shortening a British person to a "Brit".  It's not the word that is offensive, it's the manner in which is is used and the intention behind it.  You can use the word Paki, Brit, or any other shortening of the descriptor for where someone comes from, and it's the manner in which it is used that matters.

It's just unfortunate that one word is generally associated with negativity and the other not.

[Talbot]

1 minute ago, Dick Longbridge said:

This one has been particularly popular. 

fucking genius!

Would buy these if they were actually available.

[GeorgeB]

1 minute ago, Dick Longbridge said:

This one has been particularly popular. 

If you don't like the posts in this thread don't read them.

[Mrsbrownnova]

16 minutes ago, GeorgeB said:

You really don't get it, do you?

He's a mod so needs to obey the rules.

Ah right, so it’s more about in some way catching mods out rather than being offended about a word. Got ya. Give yourself a shiney. 

[Dick Cheeseburger]

1 minute ago, Talbot said:

fucking genius!

Would buy these if they were actually available.

Giving presents would take on a whole new level wouldn't it?! 😉

[GeorgeB]

3 minutes ago, Talbot said:

There's a Pot/kettle/black moment if ever I saw one.

Not sure why you say that?

I'm quite happy to continue the discussion.

Minimad seems to want it to stop but keeps adding to it.

 

[GeorgeB]

3 minutes ago, Mrsbrownnova said:

Ah right, so it’s more about in some way catching mods out rather than being offended about a word. Got ya. Give yourself a shiney. 

No it is both.

If your partner just admitted that he made a mistake and apologised everything would be fine.

 

 

[Talbot]

Just now, GeorgeB said:

I'm quite happy to continue the discussion.

"Drag on" would suggest otherwise, so given that you're fuelling this just as much as others, it's a bit rich to tell others to shut up.

[Mrsbrownnova]

Just now, GeorgeB said:

No it is both.

 

 

 

Well, there you go. A shiney for you. Enjoy! 

[GeorgeB]

3 minutes ago, Mrsbrownnova said:

Well, there you go. A shiney for you. Enjoy! 

What is a shiney?

[SiC]

2 minutes ago, Mrsbrownnova said:

Ah right, so it’s more about in some way catching mods out rather than being offended about a word. Got ya. Give yourself a shiney. 

Nope nope nope. Others may have other agendas. However it's more than that. As my post above mentions. 

 

11 minutes ago, Talbot said:

No.  "Paki" comes from a shortening of "Pakistani", describing a person from Pakistan.  It's *exactly* the same as shortening a British person to a "Brit".  It's not the word that is offensive, it's the manner in which is is used and the intention behind it.  You can use the word Paki, Brit, or any other shortening of the descriptor for where someone comes from, and it's the manner in which it is used that matters.

Exactly. My original post was a typo and I missed that 'i'.

Saying that an Irish Traveller offered £100 for the car is implying that it was offered a paltry amount because he is an Irish Traveller. I.e. race is the cause, not the individual persons temperament.

[GeorgeB]

9 minutes ago, Talbot said:

"Drag on" would suggest otherwise, so given that you're fuelling this just as much as others, it's a bit rich to tell others to shut up.

You really don't get sarcasm, do you?

[Talbot]

Just now, GeorgeB said:

You really don't get sarcasm, do you?

No I get it just fine... when it's applied correctly.

[garbaldy]

I'm fucking absolutely fuming with rage, what a bastarding piss hole cunt Bollocks  fucking wankstain of a time to be alive. 

 

[brownnova]

2 minutes ago, SiC said:

I don't often read or use PMs. Also a we're on a public forum and if a response is necessary to a post then I feel the appropriate place is on said public forum, given it was a public post. Anyhow, I've been too busy replying to this thread on my phone, which limits the speed I can type, to even read said PM.

So my post. Of course there are several factors involved here and why I posted.

Firstly the word. Yes it's not a nice word and it certainly shouldn't be used in that context. You say you weren't aware it was offensive. That surprises me considering the context used. Doesn't teacher training cover a lot of Race, Diversity and Inclusion?

Surely using a slang word on an ethnic group should have rang the alarm bells that it's probably not ok to use? Hence my surprise at you saying you were not aware.

Secondly, given a moderator made the post, what's the point in reporting it? It'll just go back to said moderators. All of which will happen in secret and no accountability. If rules are going to be enforced, why shouldn't they be abided by those enforcing them? Otherwise that is really rather hypocritical, no?

Thirdly, as this thread evidently shows, not everyone is aware of the offensive nature of the word. When people in positions of authority use offensive terms, it will normalise its use as acceptable. Calling it out as not right makes others aware it isn't right. This is how things change and change for the better. Turning a blind eye invariably doesn't solve problems.

I messaged privately as more often than not the result of doing dirty laundry in public like this is to simply cause more discord and things to spiral unnecessarily. Which is exactly what has happened. I think we are all fed up of threads being derailed in this way. 

No offence was intended, I apologise if anyone was offended. I won’t use the term again as I now it has been pointed out to me how it could cause offence.

Let’s get back to talking cars... which is the point of AS. 

[Lord Sterling]

[GeorgeB]

2 minutes ago, Talbot said:

No I get it just fine... when it's applied correctly.

But only if you think it's correct?