Sold Stanky's Geep - fire sale

[Guest Hooli]

I think you've been reading to many glossy mags, they are ace off road and can corner pretty hard I've never tipped one yet even when I was an 18 year old macrae wannabe.

 

This one which was sourced from this very forum was very competent once the 1600cc vitara engine was shoehorned in, it embaresed some rather expensive Olli types

 

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I don't think you were trying hard enough, I got my SJ410 on it's side several times when I had it...

[UltraWomble]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1985-Jago-jeep-1300cc-road-legal-20k-miles-long-mot-military-jeep-willys-jeep/172974927115?hash=item28461bed0b:g:I8UAAOSwXrdZ8jFf

[mat_the_cat]

I've had a look at this stuff, is it treated all the way through so can be cut to shape without leaving exposed edges?

 

That's something I didn't know, but after Googling (and Honey Badger's reply) you are right that the edges do need treatment.

 

I'd be confident that it's a lot more durable than undersealed marine ply though, so if the cost difference isn't much I'd go for it and seal the edges well.

 

https://www.makewoodgood.com/sealing-buffalo-board/

(Useful info but the Ronseal stuff from Screwfix is cheaper!)

[timolloyd]

This has the makings of one of those social media parties where you lay down an open invite and your pub bill comes to £2k

[bezzabsa]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1985-Jago-jeep-1300cc-road-legal-20k-miles-long-mot-military-jeep-willys-jeep/172974927115?hash=item28461bed0b:g:I8UAAOSwXrdZ8jFf

from Dugleeeee ..... and its a shed...spotted it few weeks back, left a better smoke screen that 007 ever did!!!

[Slartibartfast]

I'll check with SWMBO but I think I should be good to pop along and assist*

[Split_Pin]

That is a lot better than I expected.It looks very tidy.

 

I can see why it was free but at least the majority of the hard work which appears to be required can be done in the comfort of your own home, even if that means some protracted investigations/conversations on the phone. An ideal winter project I'd say!

[Honey Badger]

The phenolic coated stuff is probably Marine ply base but treating cut edges will help anyway, I wouldn't underseal the bottom of the ply either as your probably better off letting it breathe and dry out naturally, maybe slapping a coat of deck oil or linseed oil on once a year/never.

 

Once it's all cut to fit it's probably a good idea to make a template out of cardboard to the exact shape and store it in the loft or something to make replacement easier.

 

Is the colour a spray paint finish as blue gel coat that colour is normally full of streaks as the pigments split as you brush it out, hilarious on a small panel not quite as funny on the hull of a 40ft boat.

[Talbot]

When it comes to ply, the best way I have seen to protect it is soaking it in fibreglass resin.  I managed to get hold of a 4'x4' bit of ply about 3 years ago which had had this done to it (I didn't know at the time) and promptly left it in the back garden and forgot all about it.  While having a tidy-up, I rediscovered it.  The bottom 6" had sunk into the ground, and it was covered in leaves, mud and general shite that happens when you leave something outside in soil for 3 years.

 

Washed off with a pressure washer and still in near-perfect condition.  I was staggered.

[garbaldy]

I don't think you were trying hard enough, I got my SJ410 on it's side several times when I had it...

Oh I wouldn't say that as I put my land cruiser on its side twice and that was after 25 years of getting even more sensible.

[Stanky]

Just thinking out loud here - if I were to graft the bodywork and rollbar from the Jago onto an SJ410 (having removed the bodywork from that) would I need to get an engineers report or somesuch, or just carry on as before, getting it MOT'd annually as a rebodied, but otherwise unaltered SJ410?

 

A bit like those mentallists who turn Tigra's into pickups but removing the rear hatch and wobbing up the hole with lino and filler?

[garbaldy]

Just thinking out loud here - if I were to graft the bodywork and rollbar from the Jago onto an SJ410 (having removed the bodywork from that) would I need to get an engineers report or somesuch, or just carry on as before, getting it MOT'd annually as a rebodied, but otherwise unaltered SJ410?

 

A bit like those mentallists who turn Tigra's into pickups but removing the rear hatch and wobbing up the hole with lino and filler?

The pics I posted on last page are of an SJ with the jago body and it said on the V5 suzuki, from memory I think the PO was called Mike so he might ken the full story.

[Talbot]

Just thinking out loud here - if I were to graft the bodywork and rollbar from the Jago onto an SJ410 (having removed the bodywork from that) would I need to get an engineers report or somesuch, or just carry on as before, getting it MOT'd annually as a rebodied, but otherwise unaltered SJ410?

Providing you've used the complete unaltered chassis from the SJ, there's no reason for the DOOOVLA to know it as anything other than a modified SJ.

 

Insuring it will be interesting though, as it's now a modified SJ, and not a Jago Kit car (which, from memory, would be peanuts to insure)

 

If you were going to go down that route, personally I would buy a rotten-bodied Disco 1 300tdi, bin the body and shorten the chassis to suit.  Would then be insurable as a modified land-rover (still quite cheap.. many people do astonishing modifications to LR's) and it would be hugely more capable, faster, more economic etc..

 

But then I'm a twat for stupid projects.

[AlabamaShrimp]

Or just fix what you've got and look at the stupid faces people pull when you tell them it's made of plastic, wood and Escort bits.

[Dave_Q]

Shortening a chassis means it doesn't count for DVLA points system, leaving you in the IVA/q plate situation you were in to start with.

 

Jago body on a SJ is fine, the chassis, axles and engine are plenty of points to keep the suzuki ID legitimately, as suggested though see about insurance before doing anything, as normally kit car insurance is about £17, may not be the same for a modified SJ.

[garbaldy]

as suggested though see about insurance before doing anything, as normally kit car insurance is about £17, may not be the same for a modified SJ.

Jago was insured on classic policy fully comp at £106 per year. When they ran the plate it came up as an sj, I told them it had a jago body shell and they said no worries that's not a performance upgrade.

[Supernaut]

Replacing all the metal bodywork with fibreglass is NOT a performance upgrade?

 

Insurance companies have an interesting interpretation of the laws of physics.

[garbaldy]

/\ I got the same reply with my Lt when I fitted the turbo from a cossy, they asked why I didn't refit a Mitsubishi one and u said can't get one.

No probs if it's not an upgrade.

[UltraWomble]

[Guest Hooli]

Providing you've used the complete unaltered chassis from the SJ, there's no reason for the DOOOVLA to know it as anything other than a modified SJ.

 

Insuring it will be interesting though, as it's now a modified SJ, and not a Jago Kit car (which, from memory, would be peanuts to insure)

 

If you were going to go down that route, personally I would buy a rotten-bodied Disco 1 300tdi, bin the body and shorten the chassis to suit.  Would then be insurable as a modified land-rover (still quite cheap.. many people do astonishing modifications to LR's) and it would be hugely more capable, faster, more economic etc..

 

But then I'm a twat for stupid projects.

 

I agree on the DVLA thing.

 

Disagree on the more capable thing. I've had both SJs & LRs offroad, SJs go places LRs can't get more often than the other way around.

[UltraWomble]

I've had both SJs & LRs offroad, SJs go places LRs can't get more often than the other way around.

Light and 4x4

Im led to believe that Nivas, older 4x4 Pandas and Louis Barbours home brew 4x4 2CV are VERY capable machines off road due to both 4x4 and lack of lard

[Cavcraft]

Or just fix what you've got and look at the stupid faces people pull when you tell them it's made of plastic, wood and Escort bits.

 

Like probably 95% of remaining Mexicos and RS2000s these days. 

[garbaldy]

Light and 4x4

Im led to believe that Nivas, older 4x4 Pandas and Louis Barbours home brew 4x4 2CV are VERY capable machines off road due to both 4x4 and lack of lard

Not forgetting the new SJs Suzuki make with a Jimny badge.

[dome]

Light and 4x4

Im led to believe that Nivas, older 4x4 Pandas and Louis Barbours home brew 4x4 2CV are VERY capable machines off road due to both 4x4 and lack of lard

 

This is true, well for Nivas and SJs as far as I know. From my days of off roading the main thing that caught the smaller 4x4s out was that all the ruts at pay and play sites are Land Rover sized and the smaller cars struggle a bit with one wheel in and one out. 

[Exiled_Tat_Gatherer]

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[Talbot]

I agree on the DVLA thing.

 

Disagree on the more capable thing. I've had both SJs & LRs offroad, SJs go places LRs can't get more often than the other way around.

I totally agree, when they are standard vehicles.

 

The removal of a metric tonne of bodywork baggage from a Disco, increasing it's ride height and getting rid of the woeful departure angle, but retaining it's running gear, wider axles and excellent 4x4 system *must* make it much more capable off-road.

 

This is essentialy what a Dakar kit car was.  A RRC chassis (identical to Disco 1 in all but name) and a seat.  And very little else.

[Talbot]

Shortening a chassis means it doesn't count for DVLA points system, leaving you in the IVA/q plate situation you were in to start with.

But if you've used the engine, gearbox, transfer box and both axles (including suspension) that's enough points isn't it?

[andy18s]

But if you've used the engine, gearbox, transfer box and both axles (including suspension) that's enough points isn't it?

Once you take a saw to the chassis then it becomes"radically altered" and is a whole new ball game

[John F]

Talbot, on 06 Dec 2017 - 11:27 AM, said:

But if you've used the engine, gearbox, transfer box and both axles (including suspension) that's enough points isn't it?

 

No.

 

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/radically-altered-vehicles

 

Although the Department for Transport letter above is interesting & certainly implies that different rules can apply to certain vehicles.

[Stanky]

Anyone else fancy assisting the recovery of the Jago to my house this Saturday (9th December)? Tea, Coffee, Biscuits and pub lunch on offer for any willing volunteers. Plan to meet around midday and have it back by 3pm if possible.

 

PM me for details.