HMC WBOD news

[loserone]

19 minutes ago, Schaefft said:

financial dead end. I.e. a battery replacement.

No more so than anything requiring welding, HGF, a DPF, DMF clutch...

[garbaldy]

25 minutes ago, loserone said:

No more so than anything requiring welding, HGF, a DPF, DMF 

 Right enough cars do get scrapped for needing any one of those listed so doesn't bode well when a battery goes down at far more cost to the owner to replace.  

 

[chadders]

9 minutes ago, garbaldy said:

 Right enough cars do get scrapped for needing any one of those listed so doesn't bode well when a battery goes down at far more cost to the owner to replace.  

 

If one of those is needed it's probably affordable, as would another one being needed the next year. I imagine part of the problem is the money is needed in one large lump sum for the battery, that would certainly cause me to consider scrapping it whereas the others could be viewed as being part of the costs of running an old car.

[Dave_Q]

A quick Google says that an average EV definitely costs you more energy/emissions to make in the first place (around double) but the break even on lifetime emissions vs a petrol is 15-20000 miles.

If you did replace a battery at say 100000 miles you are still well up on environmental impact. Probably also just about up in cash terms depending where you charge.

[somewhatfoolish]

Unlikely to be necessary, aside from 1st gen EVs which started with fairly short range and/or poor thermal management(leaf, Imiev etc) the signs are that most will still be trundling on at double that, although the obsolescence of the rest of the car and non-availability of basic wearing spares may well send it over the bridge before then. It will be interesting to see whether a market emerges for refurbing earlier EVs with the batteries of scrapped later generations.

1 hour ago, Dave_Q said:

If you did replace a battery at say 100000 miles you are still well up on environmental impact. Probably also just about up in cash terms depending where you charge.

 

[mk2_craig]

15 hours ago, loserone said:

Let's say @HMC keeps this for a long time

[straightSix]

2 hours ago, somewhatfoolish said:

Unlikely to be necessary, aside from 1st gen EVs which started with fairly short range and/or poor thermal management(leaf, Imiev etc) the signs are that most will still be trundling on at double that, although the obsolescence of the rest of the car and non-availability of basic wearing spares may well send it over the bridge before then. It will be interesting to see whether a market emerges for refurbing earlier EVs with the batteries of scrapped later generations.

 

Plus the batteries can always be second life in power storage etc. And there seems to be a bit of a cottage industry using things like old Nissan Leaf batteries as conversion kits etc 

[Tayne]

The batteries have an 8 year warranty and seem to be capable of lasting well beyond 100k.

Also, a main dealer battery pack replacement may be 4 hours labour and £7500* whereas an EV specialist battery repair/reconditon may be 7 hours labour and £750* as they will pull the pack to bits and replace the faulty modules.

Kiltox's van is going to Celvely for something like this, its got a trifling 180k on the clock.

 

 

*example numbers but you get the idea.

 

[Schaefft]

3 hours ago, Tayne said:

The batteries have an 8 year warranty and seem to be capable of lasting well beyond 100k.

Also, a main dealer battery pack replacement may be 4 hours labour and £7500* whereas an EV specialist battery repair/reconditon may be 7 hours labour and £750* as they will pull the pack to bits and replace the faulty modules.

Kiltox's van is going to Celvely for something like this, its got a trifling 180k on the clock.

 

 

*example numbers but you get the idea.

 

The problem I always see with replacing single cells is that it is impossible to know when the next cells might fail. It will fix the pack, but Im really wondering for how long.

[somewhatfoolish]

Cell analysis is quite well developed now, identifying the runts and replacing them is straightforward enough accepting that removing the pack to do it is a right palaver needing hoists etc. AIUI cell failure is a separate process to the relatively linear loss of capacity through use; unless the cells are a bad batch one failure is not generally indicative more are about to pop, or so I have read.

[Boycie]

On 29/09/2024 at 21:16, HMC said:

Safrane has been sold on, as has the Acclaim.   The GS also has (the latter 2 to shiters, and the GS to a person interested when it was  first offered up in the summer.)

The Samara is due to be on the road by the end of this week. Its not my only car though….

Going from an acclaim to a xk8....... Doubt you'll notice a change in driving experience ...... 

[Boycie]

16 hours ago, mk2_craig said:

It's prob already on someone's else's drive , he goes through cars like a drug dealer goes through mobile phones ...

[HMC]

Acclaim gone…

Was great to meet you,  @calebaaront and @Weird Car !

[Weird Car]

5 hours ago, HMC said:

Acclaim gone…

Was great to meet you,  @calebaaront and @Weird Car !

Great to meet you too, sorry if it felt like I was hurrying to leave, as @Rust Collector can attest, once I get started talking about cars I’ll go on for hours 😆

 

the mighty Triumph made it back to Portsmouth without drama, its idling very rough, though swapping the plugs has helped, I reckon it wants the carbs adjusting which I’ll look at doing tomorrow 

 

[HMC]

13 minutes ago, Weird Car said:

Great to meet you too, sorry if it felt like I was hurrying to leave, as @Rust Collector can attest, once I get started talking about cars I’ll go on for hours 😆

 

the mighty Triumph made it back to Portsmouth without drama, its idling very rough, though swapping the plugs has helped, I reckon it wants the carbs adjusting which I’ll look at doing tomorrow 

 

Glad you got back ok. Sorry to see it go but glad its going to get used and enjoyed 😊

[HMC]

Yesterday seemed the last dry and warm-ish day for a while.

Using a 27yo Jag convertible as my daily heading into winter triggered some guilt, and encouraged me to get it off the ground, and wire brush/ dynax it, including injecting box sections. 27 years old. Thats like dailying a ‘61 E-type in 1988; assuming it hadnt dissolved 10 years previously.

I knew it wasnt a disaster zone as I looked at it on a lift before i bought it. Suprisingly solid- these dont have the best rep for rot resistance. 

The fruity exhaust appears to be because the rear back boxes have been deleted.

No pics as i has a 3 hr window to do it in and got “in the zone” AKA hot and partially rustproofed myself in the process.

[Broadsword]

I know they rot and have various issues, but I still love the XK8. The looks, interior and general ambiance do it for me. Handling, yeah, not so good as they are all tired now, but I didn’t feel the 4.0 V8 was that slow. The last one I had benefited from the restrictive rear sections of the exhaust being straight-piped. Although a little too loud (could have done with the back most boxes putting back in), it went better and did 30 mpg on a run.

[cbowditch]

17 hours ago, Broadsword said:

I know they rot and have various issues, but I still love the XK8. The looks, interior and general ambiance do it for me. Handling, yeah, not so good as they are all tired now, but I didn’t feel the 4.0 V8 was that slow. The last one I had benefited from the restrictive rear sections of the exhaust being straight-piped. Although a little too loud (could have done with the back most boxes putting back in), it went better and did 30 mpg on a run.

Older Jags have a non linear throttle response that makes them feel lethargic, i.e. at 80% throttle you get 20% power. Only when you mash the accelerator into the carpet does it finally start moving faster.  Mine was an XKR model which has a Mercedes 5 speed box. The XK8 has a Jaguar box. The mercedes box is a non AMG box that takes 2 seconds to kick down as well which doesn't help. I've not tried an XK8 perhaps the gearbox responds better

[lesapandre]

Like Mercedes.

It was to avoid Wilber and Myrtle driving into the bunker on the 18th hole of a Maimi golf course - which is where most of these cars went - Maimi and California.

[HMC]

Agreed on the xk8 responsiveness- when you floor it seems lively enough- ive had an S-Type R with its blown, later 4.2 and by comparison im not disappointed by the standard engine relatively speaking.

I find it makes me drive in a very relaxed way, probably arriving later to places than I anticipate.

[HMC]

Been using the xk8 for donkey work and a general runabout whilst the lada awaits electrical and fuel pump related sorting at my local shite friendly garage. Ive told them to do it as and when so its been shoved in a corner for a while due to me not chasing things up.

So what faults are present on a bargain bucket xk8 drop top? 

If you let it idle in drive in heavy traffic  when its fully warmed up  (say 20 minutes into a journey) at a standstill for more than 10 mins it throws a gearbox fault and goes into limp mode. This is cleared if you flick the ignition off and on. If you put it into park when standing in those circumstances it never does it. Why?

Also the passenger window motor is tired.

But the best bit is the rear back box delete as it sounds muted but purposeful.  The standard exhaust must be really subdued.

[Yoss]

45 minutes ago, HMC said:

Been using the xk8 for donkey work and a general runabout whilst the lada awaits electrical and fuel pump related sorting at my local shite friendly garage. Ive told them to do it as and when so its been shoved in a corner for a while due to me not chasing things up.

So what faults are present on a bargain bucket xk8 drop top? 

If you let it idle in drive in heavy traffic  when its fully warmed up  (say 20 minutes into a journey) at a standstill for more than 10 mins it throws a gearbox fault and goes into limp mode. This is cleared if you flick the ignition off and on. If you put it into park when standing in those circumstances it never does it. Why?

Also the passenger window motor is tired.

But the best bit is the rear back box delete as it sounds muted but purposeful.  The standard exhaust must be really subdued.

I've never left autos in drive in traffic. I usually knock them into neutral a second before you stop as it's easier on the brakes. It might not  be the handbook way of doing things but it's what I've always done.

Also because the idle speed is obviously lower whilst you're in drive too and I'm worried they're going to stall. Admittedly I've never had an auto new enough to have a gearbox light or even an ECU. 

[lesapandre]

1 hour ago, HMC said:

Been using the xk8 for donkey work and a general runabout whilst the lada awaits electrical and fuel pump related sorting at my local shite friendly garage. Ive told them to do it as and when so its been shoved in a corner for a while due to me not chasing things up.

So what faults are present on a bargain bucket xk8 drop top? 

If you let it idle in drive in heavy traffic  when its fully warmed up  (say 20 minutes into a journey) at a standstill for more than 10 mins it throws a gearbox fault and goes into limp mode. This is cleared if you flick the ignition off and on. If you put it into park when standing in those circumstances it never does it. Why?

Also the passenger window motor is tired.

But the best bit is the rear back box delete as it sounds muted but purposeful.  The standard exhaust must be really subdued.

I assume you are knocking it into neutral in stop/start traffic and holding it on the brake or foot brake.

If you are holding it in D. I think it's going to try to protect the gearbox from overheating.

I'm not sure but in idle in N.  left for 10 minutes I think again the ECU is trying to protect the engine and box.

What does the handbook say?

Remember these cars are designed for an 80 year old on the way to the golf club in Florida and may well have these fail-safes inbuilt.

I'd anyway put it into P. in heavy traffic - it protects you in the case of a big shunt up the rear 

Nice car. 

Hood down - Led Zeppelin on the hifi...who needs to move in traffic when you can spend time attracting attention  😺 miow...an old Jag is the cats pyjamas.

Jeff Lawson's finest design.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoff_Lawson_(designer)

He died sadly age 54. If he, Malcolm Sayer or Sir William Lyon's son had not all died young - the Jaguar story might be very different today.

[HMC]

xk8 news- ive added fuel, and its rewarded me by the passenger window regulator- which was slow to operate- its fixed itself (? with use)

Its lovely an comfortable, with some of its legacy XJS DNA being that the cabin is snug, despite the length of the car. Ive had 2 adults 2 kids in, but its only big  enough for 3 adults with the one in the back wedged in sat sideways across the car and one front seat occupant having their seat quite far forwards to create some (minimal) leg room. A 2+1 with an agile and understanding rear seat +1

[loserone]

A Clio 182 MPV it ain't, that's for sure.

[2flags]

It's a lovely car though. Note to self, you cannot afford it. Stop looking on e-bay and marketplace! 😁

[HMC]

I was guilty of leaving the lada at my local shite friendly garage and forgetting about it….

As did they as it got shoved in a corner for a while but its sorted, mot’d and back…

Who said it was modern cars that were guilty of excessive lightage?

Fastback coupe it is not- but it is the lightest shell, paired with the largest engine (with a cylinder head massaged by porsche of all people)

[wesacosa]

Love it.   much want. Is it as miserable to drive as reports would have you believe?

[Sigmund Fraud]

3 hours ago, wesacosa said:

Love it.   much want. Is it as miserable to drive as reports would have you believe?

They are miserable by modern standards (slow, heavy steering, poor brakes), but no worse than a base model Escort or Astra from the 1980s.

[2flags]

3 hours ago, wesacosa said:

Love it.   much want. Is it as miserable to drive as reports would have you believe?

Yes, they are. I made the unfortunate mistake of buying one new in the late '80's. Steering was okay, suspension was crap, interior was utter shite, the seat has a bar on it that digs into your lower back. Work the seat out in 28,000 miles. Hated that car so much I cycled everywhere in preference. Had it four years then chopped it in for a Skoda Favorit Estate. Now that was a nice little car.