same car different badge

[New POD]

When I had my Mk3 Mondeo I had a front spring snap (as they often do) - changing the strut I noticed the bracket supporting the brake flexi was stamped "Jaguar"

 

I love winding up Range Rover Sport types by pointing out it's a Disco 3 but with less space

 

The volume of BMW content in R75/ZT is silly too - especially the frankly weird electrical systems.

 

Is the Evoque just a Freelander 1 ? Please let it be true. Say it is Please. 

 

Our BINI gen1 responds well to a BMW specific OBD2 reader. I assume the Body Kanbus is similar. 

[TataBobu]

Suzuki G wagon - Vauxhall Agila

 

 

R Wagon, but different engines. And the Hungarian-Japanese one comes in a 4x4 variant, also. You know it

[AMC Rebel]

Is the Evoque just a Freelander 1 ? Please let it be true. Say it is Please. 

 

Our BINI gen1 responds well to a BMW specific OBD2 reader. I assume the Body Kanbus is similar. 

 

Freelander 2 in all but styling

[chaseracer]

O.P said 60's 70's........ MG midget   Austin Healey Sprite

 

And 1022 Austin Sprites towards the end, when Don Stokes tore up Don Healey's licensing agreement.

[bramz7]

Badge engineering is something the Italians have down to a T.

 

1991 Innocenti Koral. by Sam Osbon, on Flickr

 

A Yugo 45, based on a Fiat 127, then sold in Italy as the Innocenti Koral.

 

There was also this weirdness:

 

1990s Innocenti Mille. by Sam Osbon, on Flickr

 

So for a while in the 90s, Fiat sold the Brazilian made Uno as the Innocenti Mille. But then you also had:

 

1990 Fiat Uno CS. by Sam Osbon, on Flickr

 

The Uno CS, the Fiat badged version.

 

1987 Fiat Duna. by Sam Osbon, on Flickr

 

But then also the Duna, which was a saloon.

 

1997 Innocenti Mille 1.0 i.e. by Sam Osbon, on Flickr

 

But then there was also the Innocenti Mille 'Clip' which was a Polish made Uno sold after the original Uno was withdrawn in Italy.

 

Phew.

 

They also sold the 127 after the Uno replaced it, but made the South American examples, yet again..

 

1986 Fiat 127 Unificata. by Sam Osbon, on Flickr

 

1984 Fiat 127 Panaroma. by Sam Osbon, on Flickr

 

Also sold as an estate.

 

Confusingly the earlier Uno's badged as the CS were more based on those foreign 127s, but those were called 147s in their home (South American markets).

 

Basically, Fiat has always platform shared incestuously. 

 

Then there was the Iveco Daily, which in its first generaton was badged as:

 

Iveco.

Fiat.

Alfa Romeo.

OM

 

And the second generation was sold as a Zastava Daily as well.

 

I am sure this is just the tip of the iceberg here.

 

1980s Alfa Romeo AR8 & 1996 Citroen AX. by Sam Osbon, on Flickr

 

 

 

 

 

[Tadhg Tiogar]

Badge engineering is something the Italians have down to a T....

 

1987 Fiat Duna. by Sam Osbon, on Flickr

 

But then also the Duna, which was a saloon.

 

....

The Duna is another one I never knew existed.

[andy18s]

Nissan Vanette or LDV Cub?

[pshome]

Baojun 630 = Horsey Horseless

[vulgalour]

Have some more badge engineered Opels.

 

Saehan Bird

 

Daewoo Maepsy

[BavarianRetro]

There was an Alfa Romeo that was also a Datsun wasn't there?

 

Arna?

[vulgalour]

How about these notopels?

 

Pontiac Lemans.

 

Cadillac Catera

[vulgalour]

GM didn't have a hand in these, probably, but who knows?  They seem to have badge engineered the fuck out of everything else.

 

Not a Mazda 323.

 

Not a Mitsubishi.

 

Not a Mitsubishi.

[lesapandre]

When is a Citroen AX not a Citroen AX. When it's Proton Tiara...zut alors.

[gtd2000]

The Kia Pride was based on the original 121, the 323 was available as a Ford Laser in some parts of the world, and the 626 as a Ford Telstar.

 

Actually, the original 121 was this:

 

 

The 121 DA came much later.

 

[gtd2000]

 

 

Not a Mazda 323.

 

 

 

From what I understand, that is actually a South African produced Mazda 323 that had a SAO badge of convenience stuck onto it before being shipped to the UK?

[Austin of England]

Austin 7

BMW Dixi

 

and possibly a Datsun 10 connection, but not proved

[Mrcento]

Platform sharing is not the same as badge engineering.

The mondeo/x-type thing isn't even really platform sharing.

 

They share a %age of components but their platforms are different, x-type one is based on the Mondeo but hugely modified.

 

The L322 and x5 are similar, they share a few components, engines etc but have wildly different hardware put on them. It's much more than just a few badges and trim bits.

[pshome]

 

 

 

[stonedagain]

There was an Alfa Romeo that was also a Datsun wasn't there?

 

Arna?

Alfa Arna & Datsun Cherry Europe were Datsun Cherry with Alfasud engine afaik.

[Tadhg Tiogar]

The mondeo/x-type thing isn't even really platform sharing.

 

They share a %age of components but their platforms are different, x-type one is based on the Mondeo but hugely modified.

 

The L322 and x5 are similar, they share a few components, engines etc but have wildly different hardware put on them. It's much more than just a few badges and trim bits.

Imagine the trouble GM had when allegedly trying to get Saab to conform.....

[adw1977]

Alfa Arna & Datsun Cherry Europe were Datsun Cherry with Alfasud engine afaik.

The Arna did have an Alfasud engine. I posted a pic of one in page 5 of this thread.

[anonymous user]

Austin 7

austin 7.jpg

BMW Dixi

dixi.jpg

 

and possibly a Datsun 10 connection, but not proved

Also sold in the USA as a Bantam and France as a Rosengart

 

Which also makes me think of the bubble cars, Trojan, Isetta, Henkel and BMW, but can't remember which one is a copy of which.

 

While we're at it BMW 328, Fraser Nash, Bristol 400

 

Also the Darmont which was a copy of the three wheeler Morgan

[LightBulbFun]

invacar model 70

 

 

AC model 70 

 

 

 

(Pics from Dollywobbler and Zels threads, I just noticed the "AC" Badge is missing from the front of TP...)

[New POD]

 

 

 

I loved the fact that Renault in South Africa couldn't be arsed to think of a different name. Surprised they didn't call their version of the Duster, something like oh erm 14

 

Or JUKE

[fordperv]

Surprised this one hasn't been popped up yet

[martc]

Which also makes me think of the bubble cars, Trojan, Isetta, Henkel and BMW, but can't remember which one is a copy of which.

 

 

 Isetta is the model name for the BMW bubble car.

 

The original design was the Italian Iso Isetta, BMW bought the design and tooling but continued with the model name. 

 

The Isetta was also built by VELAM (France), De-Carlo (Argentina) and Rommi (Brazil), always using the Isetta model name.

 

original Iso

 

BMW

 

VELAM

 

De-Carlo

 

Romi

 

Note the subtle differences, in particular the headlamps. The original Iso and the Romi and VELAM versions windows look very similar to the Heinkel. The Iso dates from 1953, the Heinkel from 1956..

[martc]

Heinkel Kabine bubble cars - made by Heinkel, Dundalk in Ireland (but not for long the licence was withdrawn due to QC problems), Trojan in the UK and Los Cedros in Argentina.

 

Heinkel

 

Torjan

 

Dundalk (fresh from the factory - joke, its actually another Trojan)

 

 

 

 

 

[davehedgehog31]

Vauxhall Antara

 

 

Chevrolet Captiva;

 

 

Suzuki Alto

 

Nissan Pixo

 

[Lacquer Peel]

Cars with a number of sheet metal changes can be ruled out, like the Antara and Captiva above. I think earlier versions were more similar

[gricer]

 

yehitsryan, on 08 Oct 2018 - 10:52 PM, said:

If I’m right in remembering the old Mazda 121 was a badge engineered Ford Fiesta....

...whilst the 323 came out as a Kia Pride and a Sao Penza. 

 

 

No, no, a thousand times no!

 

The 3-door Kia Pride was basically a licence-built Mazda 121. It was built in Korea for Ford and supplied to US and Australia as the Ford Festiva.

 

Kia developed other body styles - 5-door, 4-door, estate etc. These were never made as Mazda or Ford cars. 

 

Later, the Pride was built by SAIPA in Iran (still is) - and the versions there included a pick-up as well as hatch, saloon etc.

 

The SAO Penza was a UK invention devised as a stop-gap for Kia dealers before the Mentor (Sephia) was ready. It was a South African Mazda 323, rebadged in the UK and only sold in the UK. It has nothing to do with the Pride, and the Pride is unrelated to the 323.