invacar LightBulbFun's Invacar & general ramble thread, index on page 1, survivors lists on Pages 24/134 & AdgeCutler's Invacar Mk12 Restoration from Page 186 onwards, still harping on...

[Mrs6C]

  On 21/04/2024 at 18:39, jonathan_dyane said:

I don't think that is an authentic representation of how these vehicles were transported, and if they were they sure as shit wouldn't have been lashed down like that.

Nice layout though.

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Bizarrely, it is how the Model 70s were transported...

 

[jonathan_dyane]

@quicksilver @Mrs6C

I'm astounded that is remarkable.

[DodgeRover]

  On 21/04/2024 at 21:00, jonathan_dyane said:

@quicksilver @Mrs6C

I'm astounded that is remarkable.

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Logically how else could they strap them quickly and solidly?, there's nowhere handy at the front at all. And just securing the rear wheels wouldn't stop it shifting.

[LightBulbFun]

  On 21/04/2024 at 21:00, jonathan_dyane said:

@quicksilver @Mrs6C

I'm astounded that is remarkable.

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 heres a montage of them I put together a while back

 

  On 14/01/2022 at 11:28, LightBulbFun said:

Certainly there where many a 3 wheelers transported on carfit's! the Ministry's main method for transport invalid vehicles was by rail, so it was a common sight to see them transported by rail  I dont know exactly how they where loaded however!

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  On 17/05/2023 at 14:31, LightBulbFun said:

3 Locomotives to move 1 Stanley Mk7? thats like the Train equivalent of when you see a large car transporter with one of those little Tikes cars strapped to the bed LOL

perhaps it was: *looks at loading sheet again* "ooh 6.00 cwt not 600 cwt..."

https://www.keymodelworld.com/article/how-load-wagon-invacars-oo-gauge

(Yes I know theres probably a full train load of wagons ahead of the Stanley but still an amusing photo in and of itself ) 

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[quicksilver]

  On 21/04/2024 at 21:00, jonathan_dyane said:

@quicksilver @Mrs6C

I'm astounded that is remarkable.

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I know, it looks like a recipe for bent pillars and cracked glass as it's strapping one of the weakest parts of the body yet must have been okay. Far easier than crawling underneath to strap the chassis but it just seems wrong.

[SiC]

Being government property, there maybe have just been a case of not caring and any damage dealt with the receiving party? Iirc these had local repair places assigned to them anyway. 

[StefanH]

  On 21/04/2024 at 14:07, LightBulbFun said:

Hello! its awesome to see your still about! HEV is looking splendid  very awesome to see its gotten some good TLC  

thank you for keeping us in the loop so to speak I am very much looking forward to seeing further progress  

 

BTW please do hold onto HEV's original British number plates if you can, keep them somewhere safe, as they are of a style unique to the Invacar Mk12, you may of noticed the rear number plate had circular cutouts for the rear lights, and the front plate is oversized with centre middle fixing, very few Invacar Mk12's do retain their original plates like this, so it would be good to make sure HEV's are preserved  

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Hello, I will keep the license plates safe! Interesting that the license plates have a special size for the Invacar, I didn't know that.

[StefanH]

  On 21/04/2024 at 17:43, egg said:

Very pleased to see this, have you got a door?

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Yes, the Invacar was nearly complete before I have disassembled it...but there are damages on the door...I have to fix that the next few weeks. 

[Snake Charmer]

  On 21/04/2024 at 20:08, Mrs6C said:

Bizarrely, it is how the Model 70s were transported...

 

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Just to stop them getting airborne if the train reaches the magic 82mph? 

[Sheefag]

Any idea what this is?

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/nostalgia/family-empire-open-almost-70-28866259

[RayMK]

  On 23/04/2024 at 20:45, Sheefag said:

Any idea what this is?

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/nostalgia/family-empire-open-almost-70-28866259

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It's a 1950s Gordon.

[Christine]

Here we go,  two,  three,  four  ! 

 

   where's jilted John  and Julie ?  

[LightBulbFun]

got me another update on REV  

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Ever had one of those jobs you wish you hadn’t started ?
 
The doors were obviously designed by the Marquis de Sade.  But, 4 hours later, we have 2 smooth running & functioning doors, that close with a very satisfying clunk.
 
The R/H door lock freed off and works fine but the L/H one refuses to play ball.  Do you have any spare outer handles that I could have a go at dismantling to see how the internals work to see if there’s any way of getting yours to comply ?

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on that note, does anyone have a take-apart guide for a Morris minor Traveller/van rear door handle, thats what the Door handle itself is*, I figured surely theres a guide or manual out there that tells you how to take one apart should you need to re-key one or the such like, but my google Fu is not producing any results

I mean I if I had to guess I would say theres probably some sort of circlip around back that you ping off into the middle distance never to be seen again, and then all the guts fall out, but I dont have one here to play with sadly (I did check Ye olde parts I have list but I dont see door handles on there sadly, or I would just post one up like I did with the kingpins)

or as above if anyone got one their willing to sell to a good cause for duncan to have a play with do let me know

(*although I seem to recall hearing that the Model 70 ones have a longer drive piece, but the actual handle itself etc is the same)

[Dick Cheeseburger]

  On 23/04/2024 at 21:41, Christine said:

Here we go,  two,  three,  four  ! 

 

   where's jilted John  and Julie ?  

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[plasticvandan]

Would have thought a new traveller door handle would be one of the easiest things to get for it

[egg]

Drawings here? Not traveller specific tho.

https://www.moss-europe.co.uk/shop-by-model/morris/minor/body-chassis/doors-fittings

[LightBulbFun]

  On 27/04/2024 at 10:32, plasticvandan said:

Would have thought a new traveller door handle would be one of the easiest things to get for it

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aye

https://www.morrisminorspareparts.com/products/rear-door-handle-afa543

but I think Duncan wants to have a pop at trying to fix the original  

 

also again, I think the square bit that sticks into the actual door mechanisms might be different, dont know if they can be swapped between handles?

video should be time stamped to start at 2:36 where @dollywobbler (sorry for the PTSD trigger/Deja vu!) shows what im on on about!

 

(plus also personally I am curious why one has stopped working, they both worked fine when I first got REV, it was one of the very first things I checked on REV, knowing the issues DW had with TWC in that regard LOL)

 

  On 27/04/2024 at 10:35, egg said:

Drawings here? Not traveller specific tho.

https://www.moss-europe.co.uk/shop-by-model/morris/minor/body-chassis/doors-fittings

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yeah the door handle itself is Traveller/Van specific AFAIK? I dont see it there sadly, unless im being blind!

[High Jetter]

Try this: https://www.moss-europe.co.uk/outer-body-panels-minor-traveller-1951-71.html

[Mr Pastry]

Not much to it.  When unlocked the handle can rotate in the baseplate, when locked IIRC a plunger projects from the handle and fits into a slot in the baseplate.  Dismantling as you say involves a circlip which is below the dome shaped tin cover and retains the handle.  Once apart,  there is a small diameter pin in the side of the handle which can be pushed in to release the lock barrel, which can then be drawn out when the correct key is inserted.  It may all be well corroded and stuck, as it is mostly zinc alloy.  

[LightBulbFun]

  On 27/04/2024 at 11:32, Mr Pastry said:

Not much to it.  When unlocked the handle can rotate in the baseplate, when locked IIRC a plunger projects from the handle and fits into a slot in the baseplate.  Dismantling as you say involves a circlip which is below the dome shaped tin cover and retains the handle.  Once apart,  there is a small diameter pin in the side of the handle which can be pushed in to release the lock barrel, which can then be drawn out when the correct key is inserted.  It may all be well corroded and stuck, as it is mostly zinc alloy.  

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thanks for the details I have forwarded them on, I really do appreciate all the bits and pieces you have been able to provide over the years, from many years of real world experience that I dont have  

[LightBulbFun]

  On 27/04/2024 at 11:02, LightBulbFun said:

also again, I think the square bit that sticks into the actual door mechanisms might be different, dont know if they can be swapped between handles?

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for some reason I thought Moggie door handles had a short drive, but it seems they are just the same length as that on a Model 70

but the Model 70 one seems to be in 2 parts

so I presume thats the difference that stops them being fully interchangeable? again not sure, I have not had hands on experience with this aspect of things! 

[Mr Pastry]

  On 27/04/2024 at 13:17, LightBulbFun said:

so I presume thats the difference that stops them being fully interchangeable? again not sure, I have not had hands on experience with this aspect of things! 

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I think it's to do with the way the internal handle and mechanism works as the Minor just has a plain square rod without the semi rotary bit, but I think it could be swapped.

[martc]

Have we had this photo? 

https://unitom.co.uk/products/manchester-1975-kemal-cengizkan

[LightBulbFun]

  On 27/04/2024 at 18:25, martc said:

Have we had this photo? 

https://unitom.co.uk/products/manchester-1975-kemal-cengizkan

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we have indeed  but its a photo thats always nice to see! not only for the rare K suffix Mk12E but also CPC443H, for thats not the only photograph I have of it!

 

  On 13/09/2022 at 13:01, LightBulbFun said:

speaking of Mk12E's this photo popped up on facebook today 

which as well as being quite a nice photo in itself, is also quite fun in that, not only is it a picture of a K suffix Mk12E of which only about 320 where made

but I know that examples from both blocks, both a CPC-H Model 67 and PEV-K Mk12E are known to still survive amazingly! so this photo could be recreated with a surprising amount of accuracy  which would be quite fun to do!

 

and also amazingly thats not the first time CPC443H has been pictured! (its "just" a Model 67 not one known to survive or anything sadly, so the statical chances of it randomly being pictured twice is quite something!)

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[Zelandeth]

I *think* I may have a spare handle.  Though no idea what state it's in.  If it was one of the stash that came with KPL, probably no better than what you've already got.

[Mr Pastry]

  On 27/04/2024 at 12:48, LightBulbFun said:

I really do appreciate all the bits and pieces you have been able to provide over the years, from many years of real world experience that I dont have

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I hope some of it is helpful, but you know, that sort of experience is worth the square root of nothing.

[High Jetter]

  On 27/04/2024 at 20:25, Mr Pastry said:

I hope some of it is helpful, but you know, that sort of experience is worth the square root of nothing.

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I'll have to disagree with that, selling yourself short Sir.

[Snake Charmer]

  On 27/04/2024 at 18:25, martc said:

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The L plate. I never really thought about licencing and passing a driving test. If classed as a car, where does the licenced driver sit? (Very thin passenger may have popped out for a pee in this photo.)

[Christine]

Here we go.... two, three ,four

 

 

( up ..)

 

[EyesWeldedShut]

  On 27/04/2024 at 21:46, Snake Charmer said:

The L plate. I never really thought about licencing and passing a driving test. If classed as a car, where does the licenced driver sit? (Very thin passenger may have popped out for a pee in this photo.)

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Same as a farm tractor  - single seat means you don’t need a supervisor.

16 year old me loved that 😀