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[Dirk Diggler]

I can remember that Colin Goodwin article in CAR; Keith Dutton and him attempt a channel crossing in a marinised Fester; brilliant

[Slowsilver]

LIQUORICE LININGS?

 

Not sure if this is right thread to post this in, so moderators please move if there is a more appropriate one.

 

Had an unusual problem with the rear brakes on the Maxi this week.

Fitted a new set of rear brake linings about 2,000 miles ago. The old ones were still OK but were riveted, so I decided to routinely replace them with bonded ones to protect againt future drum scoring by the rivets, which I have experienced before..

Bought a new bonded set from the bay of E. Cheapish but not stupidly so.

Branded as Borg & Beck, which I recognised as a known make. Box looked genuine and "Borg & Beck" stamped on each lining in what appears to be their correct font.

 

 

Recently the rear brakes started making graunching noises when braking from low speed.

Removed the drums to investigate and found this:

 

 

The friction material on all four linings looks as though it has melted like hot tar.

There was also a coating of a black tar-like gunge on the machined surface inside both drums.

This would not come off just with solvent so I had to use sandpaper followed by cellulose thinners to remove it.

The inside of the drums were not, and still are not, scored or rusty.

The wheel cylinders were, and still are, dry with no extraneous brake fluid visible anywhere.

I don't drive the car "enthusiastically" and brake hard and they were not binding, so I would not expect them to have overheated.

I have now ordered, received and fitted another set from a different manufacturer and, no surprise, the noise has disappeared.

I hope these don't go the same way.

I am tempted to send the photo to the Ebay seller but, since they were purchased about 18 months ago, I don't expect I can get a refund. Still it might be worth letting them know anyway.

I am now wondering if these are in fact cheap, maybe oriental, clones branded as, but not actually manufactured by, Borg & Beck.

Has anyone else on here every seen a problem like this?

[Shep Shepherd]

Braved the cold in order to put some Autoglym Bumper and Trim Gel on The Volvo's exterior plastic and rubber. 

 

 

 

Looks a lot better now, even though it could do with a polish

[Bren]

Had the audi sorted for a very reasonable £150. Tech said rear callipers were getting tired - a clean and new pads are next as the callipers may live a little longer if I do this - the pistons wont have to extend so much.

[dave21478]

LIQUORICE LININGS?

 

Not sure if this is right thread to post this in, so moderators please move if there is a more appropriate one.

 

Had an unusual problem with the rear brakes on the Maxi this week.

Fitted a new set of rear brake linings about 2,000 miles ago. The old ones were still OK but were riveted, so I decided to routinely replace them with bonded ones to protect againt future drum scoring by the rivets, which I have experienced before..

Bought a new bonded set from the bay of E. Cheapish but not stupidly so.

Branded as Borg & Beck, which I recognised as a known make. Box looked genuine and "Borg & Beck" stamped on each lining in what appears to be their correct font.

 

20180220_140029.jpg

 

Recently the rear brakes started making graunching noises when braking from low speed.

Removed the drums to investigate and found this:

 

20180220_140000.jpg

 

The friction material on all four linings looks as though it has melted like hot tar.

There was also a coating of a black tar-like gunge on the machined surface inside both drums.

This would not come off just with solvent so I had to use sandpaper followed by cellulose thinners to remove it.

The inside of the drums were not, and still are not, scored or rusty.

The wheel cylinders were, and still are, dry with no extraneous brake fluid visible anywhere.

I don't drive the car "enthusiastically" and brake hard and they were not binding, so I would not expect them to have overheated.

I have now ordered, received and fitted another set from a different manufacturer and, no surprise, the noise has disappeared.

I hope these don't go the same way.

I am tempted to send the photo to the Ebay seller but, since they were purchased about 18 months ago, I don't expect I can get a refund. Still it might be worth letting them know anyway.

I am now wondering if these are in fact cheap, maybe oriental, clones branded as, but not actually manufactured by, Borg & Beck.

Has anyone else on here every seen a problem like this?

 

 

Borg and Beck is dogshit these days IMO. Nowt to do with brake linings, but I had serious hassles with their clutch components purely down to shoddy build quality. 

[Ghosty]

While I was asleep Old Man randomly ordered two recon calipers, pads etc for the rear brakes from Rock Auto and now I owe him some money I'm not sure I have.

 

Er, thanks?

[Bren]

LIQUORICE LININGS?

 

Not sure if this is right thread to post this in, so moderators please move if there is a more appropriate one.

 

Had an unusual problem with the rear brakes on the Maxi this week.

Fitted a new set of rear brake linings about 2,000 miles ago. The old ones were still OK but were riveted, so I decided to routinely replace them with bonded ones to protect againt future drum scoring by the rivets, which I have experienced before..

Bought a new bonded set from the bay of E. Cheapish but not stupidly so.

Branded as Borg & Beck, which I recognised as a known make. Box looked genuine and "Borg & Beck" stamped on each lining in what appears to be their correct font.

 

20180220_140029.jpg

 

Recently the rear brakes started making graunching noises when braking from low speed.

Removed the drums to investigate and found this:

 

20180220_140000.jpg

 

The friction material on all four linings looks as though it has melted like hot tar.

There was also a coating of a black tar-like gunge on the machined surface inside both drums.

This would not come off just with solvent so I had to use sandpaper followed by cellulose thinners to remove it.

The inside of the drums were not, and still are not, scored or rusty.

The wheel cylinders were, and still are, dry with no extraneous brake fluid visible anywhere.

I don't drive the car "enthusiastically" and brake hard and they were not binding, so I would not expect them to have overheated.

I have now ordered, received and fitted another set from a different manufacturer and, no surprise, the noise has disappeared.

I hope these don't go the same way.

I am tempted to send the photo to the Ebay seller but, since they were purchased about 18 months ago, I don't expect I can get a refund. Still it might be worth letting them know anyway.

I am now wondering if these are in fact cheap, maybe oriental, clones branded as, but not actually manufactured by, Borg & Beck.

Has anyone else on here every seen a problem like this?

The clue is in the borg and beck font.

 

It looks like what you would see on a saloon bar.

[vulgalour]

Wasn't this a Watchdog or similar thing back in 2014 or so?  Something to do with dangerous cheap knock-off brake parts being put in proper boxes and sold to the unsuspecting public.

[SiC]

I find a good 80-90% of brand new eBay parts are fakes tbh. They're really good at faking them nowadays. Packaging and all. Especially certain things like light bulbs and such like.

 

However eBay can be useful for NOS parts and main dealer parts directly from main dealers. Easy to find the latter as they put their dealership phone number and address registered as their eBay account. A quick Google is often enough due diligence to see if it's a real dealer.

[Mally]

While I was asleep Old Man randomly ordered two recon calipers, pads etc for the rear brakes from Rock Auto and now I owe him some money I'm not sure I have.

 

Er, thanks?

 

I seem to remember you telling us you had 3 sticky calipers?

Seems like hes saved you 1/3.

[Mally]

The clue is in the borg and beck font.

 

It looks like what you would see on a saloon bar.

 

I've just fitted a Borg and Beck clutch from ebay to the Stock car.

Won't be long before we know!

[Slowsilver]

I find a good 80-90% of brand new eBay parts are fakes tbh. They're really good at faking them nowadays. Packaging and all. Especially certain things like light bulbs and such like.

 

However eBay can be useful for NOS parts and main dealer parts directly from main dealers. Easy to find the latter as they put their dealership phone number and address registered as their eBay account. A quick Google is often enough due diligence to see if it's a real dealer.

 

They were ordered from classicandmoderncarparts, who have been an Ebay member since 2003 and have a score of 100% on about 48,000 feedbacks. They have businees details as BNC Autoparts Ltd. with an address in Midlothian.

They certainly don't sound like cowboys, but who knows where they buy their parts from?

 

[panhard65]

I put an ebay Sachs clutch in my Porsche and haven't been happy with it since it went in. I might have to put another one in there as it really stinks if you pull away a bit rapidly.. It looked like a proper one and there was only Sachs made a clutch for the S so you would think it was legit.

[Sigmund Fraud]

Most of us remember "Borg&Beck" from the time when they were the British branch of Borg-Warner and made quality parts.

 

Unfortunately, this hasn't been the case for over a decade now - the brand name is now owned by FirstLine, and Borg&Beck boxes seem to contain sub-standard, Chinese-made shite. This level of quality* unfortunately seems to be the rule for OEM* part suppliers nowadays.

[Tadhg Tiogar]

New H3s have arrived for the CX's inner high beams:

 

[DodgeRover]

I was referring to DodgeRover's XT500 story.

No was too pricey at the time (not by today's standards though)

[drum]

Like the last scrapings from the lurpak tub, I'm spreading myself too thin.

 

Too many projects on the go and new ones coming in.

 

Shiter' s disease.

 

I'm trying to make house out of this

 

and have enough vehicle projects to keep me busy for a year or two. A maestro waiting on wheel arches, a landcruiser needing mot, 3 series land rovers gathering dust. The omega, tractor, digger, dumper...

 

Yet in the last month I've bought two motorbikes

 

Cafe racer project. Just what I need.

 

More 80's jap bike. Currently in bits in the garage for a quick* recommission and profit*.

 

I need to get the garage cleared because that old 109 lurking behind the allegro is going to be the subject of an 'oily hands' day that the car club Tam and I are in are having. Its old Perkins is getting a strip down and new rings.

 

Then the p38 arrived and needs to be sorted or scrapped.

 

I often don't get home from work until 8pm. It's all a bit nuts. I really need to offload something(s)

 

This afternoon I bought this.

 

[mercrocker]

Lush!   Ninety-Eight Brougham?

[drum]

Lush!   Ninety-Eight Brougham?

88 I think?

[Pillock]

You can get properly epic lift off oversteer in a Polo, many funs had raising eyebrows drifting round wet roundabouts as a yoof.

I shat my pants doing a full 180° in mine. Lift off, lots of arm twirling, truck heading towards me BEEPING LIKE I DONT KNOW WHAT I JUST DID.

[Saabnut]

Like the last scrapings from the lurpak tub, I'm spreading myself too thin.

 

Too many projects on the go and new ones coming in.

 

Shiter' s disease.

 

I'm trying to make house out of this

20180220_075842.jpg

 

and have enough vehicle projects to keep me busy for a year or two. A maestro waiting on wheel arches, a landcruiser needing mot, 3 series land rovers gathering dust. The omega, tractor, digger, dumper...

 

Yet in the last month I've bought two motorbikes

 

Cafe racer project. Just what I need.

20180102_111250.jpg

 

More 80's jap bike. Currently in bits in the garage for a quick* recommission and profit*.20180223_193522.jpg

 

I need to get the garage cleared because that old 109 lurking behind the allegro is going to be the subject of an 'oily hands' day that the car club Tam and I are in are having. Its old Perkins is getting a strip down and new rings.

20180102_111232.jpg

 

Then the p38 arrived and needs to be sorted or scrapped.

20180220_171109.jpg

 

I often don't get home from work until 8pm. It's all a bit nuts. I really need to offload something(s)

 

This afternoon I bought this.

 

20180217_150827.jpg

 

Please tell me that is the diseasal jobbie that has been at the last few Errol auctions? Pretty please?

 

Each auction I have looked at that and decided it was just too bonkers, and each time it was relisted I started to think about it again.....

[drum]

It is the diesel. Came number 4 in America's worst 50 cars according to some mag/website.

[stuboy]

Dont miss this once in a lifetime oppertunity..lol

[fordperv]

Dont miss this once in a lifetime oppertunity..lol

You may joke but how many have you seen recently

[Pillock]

... when an Escort has only spent two years in the rain, but is an ideal restoration project!

[stuboy]

You may joke but how many have you seen recently

See todays my spots

[Guest Hooli]

... when an Escort has only spent two years in the rain, but is an ideal restoration project!

 

To be fair, the ideal restoration project is one that is project money but needs nothing doing.

[Sigmund Fraud]

Dont miss this once in a lifetime oppertunity..lol

 

I suspect he'll get better results by advertising it as a "23-year-old escort"...

 

[dollywobbler]

What a lovely day. Have had a runabout in the Invacar and outings by 2CV and Lexus. Glorious.

[danthecapriman]

Been out today and helped a neighbor check on his lock up. He’s had it nearly 30 years but not been inside for the last 4 or 5 years!

He’s thinking about clearing it out and getting rid of the lock up but wanted to see what, if anything was still inside. He’d been putting it off as someone had told him it’d been broken into and the locks changed. Got there and it was just as he’d left it fortunately.

 

Aside from the years old tools and bits & bobs, we found a really old belt driven air compressor, pre 80 Yamaha RD250 (couldn’t find the number plate but keys still in the ignition!), and an old stripped down pre 63 registration Triumph motorbike of some sort. It’s frame is still sat there and the engine was on the floor at the back, the engine has been stripped and rebuilt but never been used!

 

Always interesting to see what’s been sat in garages for years.