320Touring's Toledo FIN

[320touring]

2 minutes ago, Jim Bell said:

That list looks marvelous. 

It's gonna be a new car when you're done. 

The optimism is palpable!

[Split_Pin]

Falkens are where it's at now for a daily. Good reviews, not expensive. Had fitted them to my 172, the Audi and the 75. 

[vulgalour]

Falkens have always been kinda okay for this sort of car.  I'll be disappointed if they've cocked up Rainexperts though, they've been my favourite tyre for a while now.

[davehedgehog31]

You missed;

Fit ALH
Remap ALH
GLF

[hairnet]

heritage parts centre 50 quid - all the others were gsf  vw etc and as you say 100 quid - for a piece of felt ffs

arent most tilt slide metal roofs the same size - could ya buy one for summat else or are they speshul

 

[dave j]

Have you checked the sunroof drainage tubes aren't blocked? If the seal leaks water should still drain out I would have thought? 

[ProgRocker]

Hoping you get the stereo to work@320touring. It still worked in 2003 before I swapped it out for an Alpine CD player. 

 

[Split_Pin]

2 hours ago, dave j said:

Have you checked the sunroof drainage tubes aren't blocked? If the seal leaks water should still drain out I would have thought? 

I had this problem with my 75, cleared them out with an old net curtain tensioner.

[320touring]

If the weather is decent tomorrow I'll see if I can get the sunroof drains sorted.

 

We'll see, but cheers for the good suggestion!

[320touring]

More things for the list.

 

Sort the interior fan squeal

Sort interior trim rattles

 

[Jim Bell]

1 hour ago, 320touring said:

More things for the list.

 

Sort the interior fan squeal

Sort interior trim rattles

 

 

Now you're just getting pedantic mate. 

[jaypee]

9 hours ago, Jim Bell said:

 

Now you're just getting pedantic mate. 

It's because the stereo isn't working yet, once that's done, the rest will be reet 😂

[brownnova]

Just caught up with many updates on this! What a lovely lovely thing! 

[320touring]

Fuck.

 

I thought this was MOT'd til march...

 

Nup, 20th Feb.

 

Bastard

[loserone]

You need a focus

[320touring]

I need focus rather than A focus

[Split_Pin]

Perfect excuse to dig the GSA out.

Edit: In these Covid times I am only allowed to use the term 'a reasonable excuse'.

Still.

[320touring]

Interesting. The Toledo makes a howling wheelbearing noise above 30. Have driven it about today, then come back and Jacked it up at each corner to check for roughness and play.

Nothing. All 4 are silent as a fish...

If you dip the clutch the noise remains, so is linked to roadspeed not to engine speed.

All I can think of is
An out of round tyre
Driveshaft/CV joint.

Any other ideas?

[Lacquer Peel]

15 minutes ago, 320touring said:

Interesting. The Toledo makes a howling wheelbearing noise above 30. Have driven it about today, then come back and Jacked it up at each corner to check for roughness and play.

Nothing. All 4 are silent as a fish...

If you dip the clutch the noise remains, so is linked to roadspeed not to engine speed.

All I can think of is
An out of round tyre
Driveshaft/CV joint.

Any other ideas?

The roughness isn't always obvious until you remove the bearing. 

Are the tyres old?

[wuvvum]

Has @JimHpaid you a visit in the night and fitted a Scammell Pioneer gearbox when you weren't looking?

[Split_Pin]

Possibly only starting to go and the noise is only prevalent when there's a load on it. The Mini's makes itself known on long right handers,  M876 being the main places.  Its silent at all other times and has not been mentioned at last the MOT.

[mk2_craig]

Diff?

[Fraz]

Leave it till it gets louder and easier to work out what bearings gone. 👍 

 

 

 

or a wheel falls off. Either way you’ll know which bearing it is then! 

[juular]

1 hour ago, Split_Pin said:

Possibly only starting to go and the noise is only prevalent when there's a load on it. The Mini's makes itself known on long right handers,  M876 being the main places.  Its silent at all other times and has not been mentioned at last the MOT.

This, bearing noise can be hard to replicate with the wheel up. It's probably the wheel bearing or the diff, although I usually find a diff is noisy at all speeds and you can clearly hear a whine around smooth streets as you dip the clutch while slowing down. 

Fwiw I had exactly the same symptoms on a 2000 Seat Ibiza 6K. Very loud howl above 40mph, but when lifted off the ground the wheel was totally silent and no play at all. Garage instantly diagnosed wheel bearing which sorted it.

[320touring]

9 hours ago, Lacquer Peel said:

The roughness isn't always obvious until you remove the bearing. 

Are the tyres old?

The tyres are 4 odd ones of indeterminate age. So aye, likely honking. Tried a spare on the obvious drivers side front.

No change.

9 hours ago, wuvvum said:

Has @JimHpaid you a visit in the night and fitted a Scammell Pioneer gearbox when you weren't looking?

I wish, would love something more cumbersome:-)

9 hours ago, Split_Pin said:

Possibly only starting to go and the noise is only prevalent when there's a load on it. The Mini's makes itself known on long right handers,  M876 being the main places.  Its silent at all other times and has not been mentioned at last the MOT.

It's a constant noise once past about 25ish - sounds similar to the Audi - which was why I wanted to look at it, if It needs a new bearing pressed in

8 hours ago, mk2_craig said:

Diff?

I hope not..

7 hours ago, Fraz said:

Leave it till it gets louder and easier to work out what bearings gone. 👍 

 

 

 

or a wheel falls off. Either way you’ll know which bearing it is then! 

Helpful as ever😂

7 hours ago, juular said:

This, bearing noise can be hard to replicate with the wheel up. It's probably the wheel bearing or the diff, although I usually find a diff is noisy at all speeds and you can clearly hear a whine around smooth streets as you dip the clutch while slowing down. 

Fwiw I had exactly the same symptoms on a 2000 Seat Ibiza 6K. Very loud howl above 40mph, but when lifted off the ground the wheel was totally silent and no play at all. Garage instantly diagnosed wheel bearing which sorted it.

I did some coast down and running testing with the front wheels in the air - no untoward noises, but then the bearings were not really under any pressure.

I will put it in for an MOT and see what they say re the bearings.

 

Next up was trying to resolve the Niagara like volumes of water in the cabin space..

This is the old tax disc holder - plenty moisture there.

 

First step was to open the sunroof and check the sunroof drains were clear

The coathanger went in well, and no obvious blockages.

A pour test was conducted

both flowing freely.

 

Next, try to eliminate the seal from enquiries

@RobT is likely recoiling in horror as the tape is not neat!

 

We'll see how this pans out.

 

Next was a thorough cleaning of the scuttle area.

Wipers had to come off, and the world's worst plastic liner was removed. Seriously, biscuit selection box plastic would be an upgrade. It belies it's #heritage as it's a very similar panel on the MK1 golf cab we have.

I even took off the wipers - meaning the hard plastic scuttle trim could come off too.

 

There was a fair amount of detritus under the covers, which the wet vac made light work of 

then installation was the reverse of removal. Unfortunately, the hard trim is snapped, and therefore doesn't sit correctly.

Although this may look like an issue, the screen is bonded in, so any water will just run down into the scuttle. I will attempt to solve it properly at some point.

The penultimate thing to do was to have a look at the blower motor - it sometimes screams like mad, so I had hoped to try and get into it to apply some lube to the spindle..

Yeah, nah. That's not happening today.

Last task was a full wetvac of the interior - about 4L of water removed.

 

After a 20min drive, then a 20min rest whilst I got essential shopping, this was the outcome.

Some light condensation on the side windows, but better than before.

Here's hoping this continues!

I'll hopefully get it in for an MOT this week.

 

[jaypee]

A fun day indeed, nice working on someone else's car 😎. 

[320touring]

Bored today in the house so decided to solve the biggest ever issue on the car.. a non functional temp gauge..

First up I located the temp senders - nice and easy to get to.

Googling and assistance from @jaypee and @blackboilersuit determined that the blue sensor was for the ECU, and the red one drove the gauge.

Bridging either did nothing:

I then tested the plugs to see if they were getting power. 

With the ignition on, the blue plug was providing some Volts

The red one not so much

This seems odd.

Either way, all I got was

All the dash gauges seem to be on the one fuse, so that ruled out any power supply issue. Could be a dead gauge - I'm leaving removing the cluster to last resort. If anything happens to it, I'd likely struggle to find a new facia panel. It's one whole surround down to the radio☹️

 

Next up, do a resistance test on the sensors. With the car running, the blue one was putting out a reasonable ( and reducing) value

The red one was rubbish.

I think a new red sender may be the initial order of the day.

 

Whilst under the bonnet I spied some damage to the overflow pipe to the coolant tank.

A quick snip and refashion later,

Better.

 

"Why not replace the whole pipe?" I hear you ask. Simple

1. I didn't have any pipe in stock

2. The other end of it goes into the radiator under the slam panel

If I am going to that trouble may as well do the coolant change at the same time so I can take the rad out for a flush. It's basically the exact same setup as the MK1 golf was, so shouldn't be difficult.

 

A new rad is about £35 posted so not too bad if needed. 

 

Won't be doing anything further til it gets an MOT though.

 

 

Also, after taping the sunroof and wetvaccing it yesterday, it appears much drier inside, despite rain overnight.

 

 

 

[jaypee]

Glad it seems a bit less soggy! 

[320touring]

The man from the ministry, he say

 

Yaaaas!

Milage needs changing so just waiting on the certificate:)

 

Well pleased!

 

[mk2_craig]

Great news! Is it getting less damp in there?