New Car Tax Rulez - Wotz happenin?

[robinmasters]

I am still surprised they didn't just wang another 4p a litre on fuel. That way nobody can avoid it and folk doing 50000 miles a year pay more than someone doing 1500 a year, etc.

Has the advantage of being dead simple although it would decimate the Swansea job market as the DVLA becomes surplus to requirements.

Then the government can turn around and say that because we no longer pay road tax, we need to pay road tolling instead, but in order to pay for its introduction we will have to pay an extra couple of pence per litre to pay for the new road toll monitoring centre in erm, how about in Swansea?

I agree. And disagree.

 

Putting tax on fuel is a far more efficient, fairy way of doing things. Big mileage-you pay more. Big heavy vehicle that knackers the roads-you pay more. OMGGASGUZZLINGTREEKILLINGV8-you pay more.

 

BUT, the DVLA serves an important purpose. They do something relatively simple slowly and inefficiently, creating loads of jobs in an area with high unemployment. Jobs that won't disappear in a recession, thereby keeping the economy more stablererer.

 

This is designed to double up on what they collect when a car is sold, get rid of smaller traders, and I suspect will automate the process further to reduce staffing levels.

[forddeliveryboy]

Probably because if  you try and do this in this country you are either a

 

 

 

 

Or you are:

 

 

 

Yep, I'm a Kevin. This country is way more tolerant than most would ever believe, it's just that you have to use your noodle!

 

 

 

I agree. And disagree.

 

Putting tax on fuel is a far more efficient, fairy way of doing things. Big mileage-you pay more. Big heavy vehicle that knackers the roads-you pay more. OMGGASGUZZLINGTREEKILLINGV8-you pay more.

 

BUT, the DVLA serves an important purpose. They do something relatively simple slowly and inefficiently, creating loads of jobs in an area with high unemployment. Jobs that won't disappear in a recession, thereby keeping the economy more stablererer.

 

This is designed to double up on what they collect when a car is sold, get rid of smaller traders, and I suspect will automate the process further to reduce staffing levels.

 

Well we should start digging coal up again and not be so tight-arsed with the exhaust gas cleaning when burning the stuff. Send DVLA staff down the mines. They'd definitely earn more, and be of infinitely more benefit to civilisation. Instead we're nuking ourselves and chopping down indiginenous forests all over the world to burn, so X-boxes and immersion heaters can be kept running.

[Junkman]

Has it ever occurred to any of you, that we are paying way too many taxes?

Instead of whacking another tax onto some fucking thing, that stupid vehicle excise duty should be scrapped,

the insane tax on fuel reduced, and then let's talk about this total madness of 20% VAT, which is the most

ruthless robbery of people with lower incomes.

 

Always keep in mind, that your tax money doesn't work for you. It goes to the government.

The government doesn't care about you. It doesn't give a shit about you. Not a teensy wee little shit.

None. Nada. Rien. Nix. Bollox.

Never ever forget that, when it comes to taxes. Never ever.

[r.welfare]

You might want to pop them in the window complete - I'd bet the velologists will be keen on those in years to come. 

 

My wife told me this, after I had cut it out of course.  I had to leave the old tax disc behind the new one, to stop the new one being blown out of it's holder every time the door opens/shuts - horrid cheap thin paper.

[forddeliveryboy]

Has it ever occurred to any of you, that we are paying way too many taxes?

Instead of whacking another tax onto some fucking thing, that stupid vehicle excise duty should be scrapped,

the insane tax on fuel reduced, and then let's talk about this total madness of 20% VAT, which is the most

ruthless robbery of people with lower incomes.

 

The motorist is the most tax-abused person of all. Govt treats him as if he is using the ultimate luxury, yet using a car is the only way to function properly in this country unless you live in or near the centre of a metropolis.

 

No car, then very difficult to have a job, let alone go to the supermarket or report a crime at the (out of town, local industrial estate) police station.

 

Our taxed income pays for fuel which is about 60% tax. Filling stations are little more than local tax collection centres. If 20% of your income vanishes to tax, and a tank of fuel is 60% taxed then about 32p of each hard-earned pound spent actually buys the fuel. Try not to consider the 33% efficient petrol engine, meaning for every £ spent you're buying 10p worth of power. Then there's road tax and tax on your insurance premium as well as tax on parts and garage labour. Makes the tax-less MoT look good vfm.

 

Loads of our tax subsidises farmers and landowners - just a couple hundred of acres brings in about £70,000 every year which is yet another reason land is so expensive (it's also a tax-free investment, unlike property). To be able to rent a couple of hundred acres of rough upland makes little sense, except of course for the taxpayer's 70k contribution to keeping the quad bike well-oiled. Strange that you can plant a seed and it'll grow all of its own accord, using rain, sunshine and soil nutrients. Strange that food is the one thing we can't go without, yet tarmers are so deeply rewarded by the benefits system.

 

Game-shooting moors are therefore a source of massive income through subsidies, yet this 'farming' is simply releasing helpless orphan game birds to be shot by private-plate Range Rover sorts, of the very worst type ime. Worse than footballers, even. But they'll pay thousands for a day pretending to be country sorts.

 

So landowners and tenant farmers are very nicely looked after in the UK, by the tax payer. Their benefits system bears no relation to the one used to keep people from eating each other on housing estates.

 

Maybe best not to mention the Spanish roads we've all funded, or all the MEPs' expenses as they fly to and from their fancy homes and Brussels? If Scotland breaks free from the Westminster cabal, it'll be interesting to see if they're happy to gain independence from London only to be shafted by the Euro.

[vulgalour]

What's that chuffing noise?

 

[Micrashed]

Now then, if after Oct 1st I want to "cash in" my tax disc on the Micrashed ( assuming that I take it off the road because of the impending MOT of doom and possibly buy a Cat C repaired Rover 45) do I have to send them the disc back or not?

 

Seeing as their official dogma is "after October 1st you can take the dics out of the window and tear it up".

[explosive-cabbage]

These were waiting in the post when I got home earlier. Two printed 'cut round dotted line' tax discs which I can throw away after 1st October. I'll keep them in to see how long the ink lasts in the sun...

 

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Two words:

 

WELL JELL

 

 

 

I feel I should de-tax the 205 and then re-tax it this month just so I have a tax disc I have to cut out instead of tear out...

[Jim Bell]

I have to tax the Mazda before the end of sept. Be interesting to see if I get a disc to display if I do it late on.

[dollywobbler]

Now then, if after Oct 1st I want to "cash in" my tax disc on the Micrashed ( assuming that I take it off the road because of the impending MOT of doom and possibly buy a Cat C repaired Rover 45) do I have to send them the disc back or not?

 

Seeing as their official dogma is "after October 1st you can take the dics out of the window and tear it up".

 

No. Declare SORN and you should automatically get a refund.

 

 

 

Maybe best not to mention the Spanish roads we've all funded, or all the MEPs' expenses as they fly to and from their fancy homes and Brussels? If Scotland breaks free from the Westminster cabal, it'll be interesting to see if they're happy to gain independence from London only to be shafted by the Euro.

 

Oh please. I'm not a huge fan of another layer of bureaucracy when it comes to all of those MEPs, but here in Wales, we do VERY well out of Europe - getting more out of it than we put in. Why do you think our roads are so nice? It's not Europe's faults that the rest of the UK hasn't sussed it out very well. That's your MEP's fault.

[Lacquer Peel]

The new car tax system is based on the number of windows on your car, BAD LUCK Volkswagen Samba owners.

[mercrocker]

 The scene tax system is based on the number of windows on your Samba

 

EFA

[beko1987]

So if I got Fred to make me a tax disc for the year my car was registered, and displayed it in the original dealer holder, as a sort of himage or whatever, I wouldnt get fucked for displaying an out of date/forged disc?

[Mr Livered]

Oh please. I'm not a huge fan of another layer of bureaucracy when it comes to all of those MEPs, but here in Wales, we do VERY well out of Europe - getting more out of it than we put in. Why do you think our roads are so nice? It's not Europe's faults that the rest of the UK hasn't sussed it out very well. That's your MEP's fault.

Bollocks - it's the areas deemed to be in need of funding that get it. If England, for example, doesn't get more out of the EU than it puts in it isn't because the MEPs are lazy or aren't doing their job properly or whatever (true though that may well be). It's because (self-evidently) not every region can get more out than it puts in, because the pot would be empty before the Robin-Hood-ery was complete.

 

The EU is a redistributive scheme, whereby any country/region that is poorer than the average will do well, at the expense of the areas which can afford to contribute more than average.

 

"The ERDF [European Regional Development Fund] aims to strengthen economic and social cohesion in the European Union by correcting imbalances between its regions." http://ec.europa.eu/regional_policy/thefunds/regional/index_en.cfm

 

Regions whose GDP per capita is below 75% of the EU average qualify for money under the "convergence objective". I can't be bothered to look it up again now because it's so dull, but last time I looked I think the only UK regions that qualified were Wales and Cornwall. So that's why they get the money - not because they're the only ones who bother to ask for it.

[dollywobbler]

Furry Nuff Mr Livered. In which case, thanks to England for the backhanders via Brussels.  

 

Beko - you can indeed display whatever you want to. There'll be a roaring trade in 'period' tax discs I suspect.

[inconsistant]

[Partridge]

Hang on a sec, I've just read through the rules. If tax cannot be transfered and you need to tax your car immediately, then how do you do it on collecting a used car? I don't have a smart phone, so won't be able to do it online on collecting something. I thought this government were going to cut down on red tape...

[Micrashed]

Its SORN that drives me round the bend.

 

Last time I bought a shed I declared SORN when the V5 arrived to be informed that they were going to fine me for its 12 days on the road where it was not SORN when the last owner sent the V5 off and it arrived with me (despite the shed being no more than a box of parts).

 

So im expecting the same this time with the 'ped Ive just bought in so much as I go on line and I cant declare SORN because I dont have the V5 in my name / V5 ref number, but I know they will send me a snotty letter when the new V5 arrives assuming that ive been swanning around on it since I bought it (despite shagged engine).

 

Tax isnt a problem, just drive it home as it will still show as taxed until the old owner declares other wise, even if you cant tax online or the post office are being arsey with you I'd still risk it and do it when you get home - when I bought the Maverano I tried to tax it in some backstreet post office in Donny - waste of time, so I drove it home with cheque book, paperwork etc in the car and taxed as soon as I got home at my local friendly post office on the grounds that I had tried, but failed to tax it at the point of purchase.

[Tartan58]

Well I just came out a winnar from this new scheme.

 

Traded in our OMGMODERNCARSRSHIT earlier this week for a beiger model and when I asked the dealer if I could claim back the tax on the old one (still 5 months to run) he said normally we'd like to keep the tax ourselves but seeing as in a couple of weeks we'll not be able to do this you might as well claim it back yourself now.

Happy days, £60 will fill the tank with enough for a pint or two left over  - plus the new motor came with 6 months tax thrown in.

[stuboy]

so do i leave my disc in the window till it expires dec 14??

[Bobthebeard]

so do i leave my disc in the window till it expires dec 14??

Yes basically, no one will care/fine you/ kick your arse if you do....

It is taxed innit.

[dollywobbler]

Hang on a sec, I've just read through the rules. If tax cannot be transfered and you need to tax your car immediately, then how do you do it on collecting a used car? I don't have a smart phone, so won't be able to do it online on collecting something. I thought this government were going to cut down on red tape...

 

Yes, in theory, you need to tax it immediately. You can do this online, by calling DVLA or by finding a Post Office. But see earlier comments - DVLA won't even know the tax needs refunding for a day or two. Drive home, then worry about it. Unless it was SORN, in which case it's just like before and you need tax before driving. 

 

so do i leave my disc in the window till it expires dec 14??

 

You don't have to. From 1st October, everyone can remove their tax discs.

[25v6turbo]

I,ve got to tax the Safrane at the end of this month,if i go into a post office and tax it will i get a disc or not?If i do it before Oct 1st.

[Pillock]

Does the direct debit stuff start on the 1st October or just the lack of discs? MG needs tax from start of October and I'd much rather pay per month.

[Minimad5]

I,ve got to tax the Safrane at the end of this month,if i go into a post office and tax it will i get a disc or not?If i do it before Oct 1st.

I'm in the same 'boat' so to speak, with the V70

[sheffcortinacentre]

no discs issued that will start from 1st of oct. beleave DD is to sort 1st of nov.

[Angrydicky]

Yeah, just taxed my A35 to start on 1st Oct, no disc issued.

[nigel bickle]

Here's a thought.

 

Swansea hope most will elect to pay car tax monthly, using DVLA's doubtlessly magic all singing/dancing new direct debit system.

 

A few months, maybe years down the line, Doovla decide you have recently unknowingly transgressed SORN, on some other issue, warranting an ( initially) small fine.

 

Having unilaterally decided your clear guilt, how long do you all think they will be able to resist the open opportunity to take the money, on the direct debit, without any further involvement by you?

 

And when HMG,( who have already granted the taxman similar access to your savings) discover this new " enhanced income flow", how long before they ratchet the fines system up, to include dirty or mid- spaced number plates, no MOT ( using ANPR) , in charge of a loud necktie, yellow cars in a public place etc etc

 

Judge, jury, executioner? Just a thought, before you all rush to monthly payment....

[Cavcraft]

It's a massive bleeding con anyway as if you sell your car half way through the month, you'll lose a months tax and so will the new owner who will have to get a disc from the beginning of the month they bought the car.

[gtd2000]

Wonder what will be dreamed up if the Indpendent Scotland comes about then?

 

Probably be more expensive, whatever it is.