Fiat panda 169 fettling

[Sir Chocolate Teapot]

New to me last friday. Always fancied a good one.

2010 dynamic eco 1.2. Which means £35/ year tax but only 60hp. Has working air con.

Started the sorting.

Front brakes. Can I buy new rubber covers for the caliper sliders ?

Just need new rubber covers, metal sliders are in great shape.

First time ever I don't need to do an engine oil change straight away, oil is like new.

The fun will really start when I get to back axle, some work needs doing there, don't they all.

[artdjones]

Go on to Autodoc and look for ABS 63604

£4.29 per side for a complete rebuild kit of rubber parts. 

Don't buy from eBay, the prices are a multiple of that.

[artdjones]

If you find axle corrosion new ones are £175.

https://www.imaxle.co.uk/new-fiat-panda-axle

 

[Aston Martin]

These are interference engines.

Edit... Maybe, maybe not 

[yes oui si]

2 hours ago, artdjones said:

If you find axle corrosion new ones are £175.

https://www.imaxle.co.uk/new-fiat-panda-axle

 

Can confirm that even a ham-fisted oaf can change the rear axle at the side of a road after finding a panda on marketplace for £100 with a snapped axle. Mate literally got a bus to buy it with a replacement axle and trolley jack strapped to a sack trolley and a backpack of basic tools.

[Sir Chocolate Teapot]

Going under. Wish me luck.

Don't worry, there are 4 axle stands not just balanced on the tyres

[Sir Chocolate Teapot]

2 hours ago, Aston Martin said:

These are interference engines.

Good to know, thx. I had assumed these were non interference.  Better check the cambelt soon then.

[Peter C]

What does 169 refer to?

Not BHP, I assume.

[Barry Cade]

3 hours ago, Aston Martin said:

These are interference engines.

That's a 60hp. They don't clash valves, the more powerful one does... 

[Barry Cade]

5 minutes ago, Peter C said:

What does 169 refer to?

Not BHP, I assume.

Just the model number, like w123, or E36..

[wesacosa]

3 hours ago, Aston Martin said:

These are interference engines.

I've struggled to find a definitive answer as to which are interference and which are not, other than the VVT ones being interference. What's the definitive way to confirm a non VVT as being interference or not? I'd read that the ones with proper oil caps might also be but not everyone seems to agree on that 

[Aston Martin]

1 hour ago, Barry Cade said:

That's a 60hp. They don't clash valves, the more powerful one does... 

 

I thought the Evo ones were due to the diff camshaft?

[Barry Cade]

9 minutes ago, Aston Martin said:

 

I thought the Evo ones were due to the diff camshaft?

Off the top of my head, only the ones with variable timing were a interference engine.  I thought the eco was just skinny tyres and a different grille..

I bought up every Panda/Punto I could get with a bust belt and never had a bent valve yet. But for the price of these belts and the 20 mins it takes to change, its probably not worth taking the chance😆

[Barry Cade]

1 hour ago, wesacosa said:

I've struggled to find a definitive answer as to which are interference and which are not, other than the VVT ones being interference. What's the definitive way to confirm a non VVT as being interference or not? I'd read that the ones with proper oil caps might also be but not everyone seems to agree on that 

There is one sure way to find out 🤔 Autodata used to tell you, but sometimes they were wrong..  I suppose with the belt off, you could turn the cam with the crank at TDC and wait for it to clunk, or  not.. 

[wesacosa]

2 minutes ago, Barry Cade said:

There is one sure way to find out 🤔 Autodata used to tell you, but sometimes they were wrong..  I suppose with the belt off, you could turn the cam with the crank at TDC and wait for it to clunk, or  not.. 

I've had a little read around and the general concensus is the 1.1 and the 1.2 60bhp Euro4 are ok , it's the 69bhp 1.2 Euro 5 which had VVT is interference but there does seem to be a little bit of cloudiness 

[Barry Cade]

1 minute ago, wesacosa said:

I've had a little read around and the general concensus is the 1.1 and the 1.2 60bhp Euro4 are ok , it's the 69bhp 1.2 Euro 5 which had VVT is interference but there does seem to be a little bit of cloudiness 

Stellantis 😆.. they say the Eco has low rolling resistance tyres and thinner engine oil, and cost a whole extra hundred quid..

https://www.media.stellantis.com/uk-en/fiat/press/motorists-quids-in-as-fiat-launches-panda-eco