The grumpy thread

[Mally]

My sister in law, (MikeR's wife) phoned me yesterday evening to ask me to drive her to the Chinese takeaway.

Because she's not confident to drive in the Dark, ice and fog.

 

So she trusts you to drive, but you are not competent to place an order.

[Exiled_Tat_Gatherer]

Not sure if this is quite the right thread, but I'm in a bit of a pickle work-wise.

I'm kind of 'wanted' in two roles within the same company.

 

One, my current job is a sit down office job with ok pay, may be going up a little soon. It is a bit stressy but I'm starting to get the hang of it. (I'm an Inventory Manager).

 

The other is a warehouse manager job, and the money is 'negotiable', so perhaps a few grand more. But it would be more physical, having to manage people and sort a shitshow of a team / warehouse.

 

I can do either, but I just don't know. If I went for the new role, I'd be dropping my current team in the poop as we are already a person down and my other colleague is struggling with the job and has had their probation extended twice.

 

Company-wise, it's a big company, so they don't mind what I do.

 

But of an odd grump as I've got a job and the chance of another, some don't have that luxury.

 

1.  Not your fault the dept. is down - that's their HR and management issue - not yours.

2.  Is the office job a career path?

3.  If you sort the warehouse out - is it a route to 'troubleshooter' status and other opportunities - or are you then stuck n the warehouse? Where does that go?

4.  If you go into the warehouse and start pulling weight - how are you affected by colleagues opinions? If you're worried about leaving the team in the lurch - you'll hate being the deliverer of shit news to the new team being shunted around.

5.  What are the DEFINITE packages on offer - get it in black n white before you make ANY decision.

 

good luck - it ain't easy...….

[Exiled_Tat_Gatherer]

My sister in law, (MikeR's wife) phoned me yesterday evening to ask me to drive her to the Chinese takeaway.

Because she's not confident to drive in the Dark, ice and fog.

Now there is some untreated ice on some of the roads, There are street lights, and there is no fog.

It's about 3/4 of a mile and flat.

She passed her test in the 80s.

I'm not that grummy about being asked but It makes you think that there are people out on the roads who have no confidence and are shitting themselves just driving to Tesco in the rain

 

She can afford takeout - she can afford a professional driver (taxi)   HTH

[Bazfr69]

Warehouse Team Manager is a challenging job if done right and very few of the chaps I know doing it currently enjoy anything about it other than the salary.

I work in a distribution warehouse and qualified as a manager many years ago, I decided not to go into the role as I could see no plus to it other than money either so elected to stay in my current job in Stock Integrity just for my own sanity.

Tbh I do think about the financial aspect of it from time to time but seeing the many annoyances created by their respective teams and upper management I know I made the right decision for me.

 

Obviously your environment could be significantly different from my own and this could be of no help whatsoever.

[tommytwo]

The problem with being a manager, IMHO experience is that everybody else;s problem, becomes your problem. Things that people could themselves easily sort are affected by  the mindset. "Why should I do it, that's what he gets paid for". So you end up trying to do their job as well as your own. If you mention this problem to higher management, you yourself are seen as the problem. Bosses love people who bring them solutions, not problems!

[Cavcraft]

Today was the day social media morons finally made me snap. There's three (more) people who won't be buying my car. Oh well.

[wuvvum]

Today was the day social media morons finally made me snap. There's three (more) people who won't be buying my car. Oh well.

 

You are Jon Burgess AICMFP.

[Tamworthbay]

She can afford takeout - she can afford a professional driver (taxi) HTH

??? Do your takeaways charge for delivery? Always free around here, sometimes over a tenner, some you only need to spend a fiver.

[panhard65]

Today was the day social media morons finally made me snap. There's three (more) people who won't be buying my car. Oh well.

I made the mistake of putting my Thunderbird on facebook market place. I think it is the facebook app being so shit that it is very easy for people to end up sending a message asking if it is still for sale automatically. I was getting so many asking if it was for sale then never replying I deleted the ad. Ebay is a bit shit but at least I don't get stupid messages every 5 mins.

[rainagain]

Thanks to the flu I’ve triggered a work place absence maker. Next time I’m back on site I’ve been told I will receive a verbal warning and my ‘attendance will be monitored for the next three months’.

 

This is the same bastards that when I had chicken pox last year (which I assure you is a bugger to catch when an adult) I turned down the docs offer to sign me off for two weeks so I could work at home to help site as we had a number of big projects on going that only I could help with.

 

Although I’m not contracted to, I repeadily assist them outside office hours including recently when they called me even though they knew I was on a day off. They also called me whilst on actually holiday.

 

I think in the future I will respond to any outside normal hours requests with “I’m sorry I can’t help you outside my working hours as I need to ensure my body gets sufficient rest to help me fight infections so I’m never off ill again”.

 

If I happen to catch any other nasty flu bugs, etc I will take great delight in dragging my diseased carcus to work so I can spread them all around as that is company policy and I’m only doing my bit.

 

Rand over

[Cavcraft]

I made the mistake of putting my Thunderbird on facebook market place. I think it is the facebook app being so shit that it is very easy for people to end up sending a message asking if it is still for sale automatically. I was getting so many asking if it was for sale then never replying I deleted the ad. Ebay is a bit shit but at least I don't get stupid messages every 5 mins.

 

Yeah, it is annoying but also default, unless you chose to put your own words in. That said, the odd replies I've had have just been 'mileage' or 'reg number' with no 'please', or any other form of manners. They can FRO for a reply, too.

[beko1987]

The 406 isn't running right... 41mpg showing on the computer and I waft everywhere... Might look at the new fuel filter that's sat in the boot. It doesn't need a service, that was done a few 000 miles ago.

 

Hey ho, isn't chucking out clag unless provoked so I guess that's a plus!

[chaseracer]

 

I see this a lot.  Loyalty in the working relationship often seems to apply in one direction only.  

 

Presume your 'back to work interview' will be minuted?  Nothing wrong with reminding them professionally of your performance above and beyond...

[jumpingjehovahs]

I see this a lot. Loyalty in the working relationship often seems to apply in one direction only.

 

Presume your 'back to work interview' will be minuted? Nothing wrong with reminding them professionally of your performance above and beyond...

I’ve seen a lot of this over the past few years. It’s just poor leadership and one of the biggest downsides of teaching people to manage others according to a handbook rather than using any pragmatism. Having been a Leadership Behaviour Coach it makes me despair.

 

 

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[treehugger]

A Leadership Behaviour Coach?

[jumpingjehovahs]

A Leadership Behaviour Coach?

Training people on the behaviours and expectations required to be a manager in the company.

 

 

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[chaseracer]

A lot of managers I deal with could do with some of that.

[Tamworthbay]

Sadly having experienced ‘health and safety’ briefings/ training for management. Not only do they not have a genuine interest in the wellbeing of the staff, they are actively dehumanising the staff in the eyes of management and putting them as the ‘enemy of efficiency’. Thankfully some of my colleagues were as disgusted as I was but far from all of them. The section of doing a stress audit so you could a, show how caring you were in case of any future claims to the contrary, b, get a heads up on who may be worth ‘sidelining’ (getting shot of in other words) and c,covering your arse in case of existing complaints about workload, was particularly disgusting.

[bub2006]

Fuckin cuntin twattin Citroen gear change cables seized. Whoop de fuckin do

[fairkens]

Training people on the behaviours and expectations required to be a manager in the company.

 

 

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leadership and management are two different concepts tho?

[wuvvum]

A little while back I sent off to my bank for details of PPI policies I had with them - many years ago, in my irresponsible youth, I took out several bank loans to pay for things (mostly chod), and I was sure I remembered having PPI on them.

 

Turns out that I did have PPI on three loans, however in each case I cancelled the PPI within a month of taking it out.  So the grand total I would get back if I made a claim would be three months' premium, so probably less than 100 quid.  I'm now most annoyed at my younger self for being so financially savvy.

[chaseracer]

leadership and management are two different concepts tho?

 

On occasion they combine.

[BorniteIdentity]

Having been a Leadership Behaviour Coach it makes me despair.

 

 

A lot of managers I deal with could do with some of that.

 

 

I would say, certainly in my industry, 'management' and 'leadership' are almost completely mutually exclusive.  The 'leaders'; those who inspire and motivate are very, very rarely in positions of authority.  Many leaders have no desire to be in management, and many managers desperately seek to be (and fail at being) a leader.

 

I'd love to be a 'coach'! Whether anyone would gain from my BS is another matter entirely...

[chadders]

A while ago I was doing some work for a large government owned organisation.

 

The 'managers' openly referred to the staff as pondlife and disappeared off on a Friday lunchtime to the pub, never to be seen again until the next week.

It was nepotism central, anyone who wasn't one of the chosen ones or a relation soon left leaving a load on inbred idiots to carry on taking their large salaries and screwing the business up.

[Saabnut]

In the village at my French pad, one of the best bits is having a brilliant little corner shop less than a mile away. Tobaconist, usual corner shop stock plus really good wine, fresh fish etc etc, owned by a lovely lady.

 

Why is this a grump?

 

 

 

Last night, this happened

 

 

 

[bub2006]

Holy cow that doesn't look good. Hope everyone is ok.

[Tadhg Tiogar]

 I would say, certainly in my industry, 'management' and 'leadership' are almost completely mutually exclusive.  The 'leaders'; those who inspire and motivate are very, very rarely in positions of authority.  Many leaders have no desire to be in management, and many managers desperately seek to be (and fail at being) a leader.

 

I'd love to be a 'coach'! Whether anyone would gain from my BS is another matter entirely...

 

See also the Dunning-Kruger effect, and the Peter principle

 

A handy guide

 

....and another one

[Maurice Marina]

leadership and management are two different concepts tho?

On occasion they combine.

Mostly by accident.

[Tamworthbay]

I have been lucky enough to have some fantastic managers and also the misfortune to have a couple of totally clueless fuckers. It’s not an easy job and personally don’t enjoy aspects of it, especially when staff need reminding of what they should be doing. But the best managers are the ones that you know have your back, they give you a bollocking if needed but will look after you. They are sadly a rare type. What the crap managers don’t understand is why the workforce will do anything for one person and nothing for them. We used to have a guy Neil who was very quiet and seemed to be the opposite of what you would expect for a manager, he would do anything for you and as a result you would do anything back when he needed it. At the same time there was another manager at the same level who was a complete martinet and could not understand why softly spoken Neil got results she couldn’t hope to achieve. The answer was simple, as a staff we did exactly what we were paid for when she asked, nothing more, nothing less. Guess which one got the promotion though?

[AlabamaShrimp]

Had to have another root canal today after my tooth decided it wanted to get infected last week.

 

Took an hour and a half due to a nerve being 'at a funny angle' and me officially having "a small mouth"

 

Mrs Shrimp says this is crap as I'm a big gobshite