invacar LightBulbFun's Invacar & general ramble thread, index on page 1, survivors lists on Pages 24/134 & AdgeCutler's Invacar Mk12 Restoration from Page 186 onwards, still harping on...

18,974 · October 2

8 hours ago, Mally said:

Took me 4 hours to catch up.

I'll cut it down to basics for anyone in the same position as I was.

Invacars are no more dangerous in London than a bike or electric scooter.

We have a new member who is not afraid to speak his mind, but is afraid of listening.

We have the welcome return of an old member.

Saabnut is God and I wish him well.

or if you want to sum it up by way of music

"Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right, here I am stuck in the middle with you, and I am wondering what it is I should do!"

124,794 · October 2

11,139 · October 2

Gerry Rafferty writ that song ... i went to his house once to shoe a horse , by mistake ! He told me to fuck off , he didn't have a horse ...So i said yes you do ..! Your wife booked me , Mrs Mc D , its in my diary, Tye Farm .10AM? I don't have a wife or a horse , and i'm not called McD , now fuck off !

Ahhh , it was next door ....Tye Farm house.! Few weeks later i asked my mate " who lives at tye farm ? , coz he had a go at me? Gerry Rafferty innit ....

Remembering his face ...ah yes , it was he, miserable cunt ...

14,017 · October 2

1 minute ago, Christine said:

Gerry Rafferty writ that song ... i went to his house once to shoe a horse , by mistake ! He told me to fuck off , he didn't have a horse ...So i said yes you do ..! Your wife booked me , Mrs Mc D , its in my diary, Tye Farm .10AM? I don't have a wife or a horse , and i'm not called McD , now fuck off !

Ahhh , it was next door ....Tye Farm house.! Few weeks later i asked my mate " who lives at tye farm ? , coz he had a go at me? Gerry Rafferty innit ....

Remembering his face ...ah yes , it was he, miserable cunt ...

Has hairnet and yos had an illegitimate child and hacked your account?

18,974 · October 2

since we are on a clean page! I thought now would be a good time to post some of the perticularly nice pictures I had rounded up and was was hoping/saving to post for Page 400 celebrations

https://www.dudleypeoplesarchive.com/ephemera

https://joanbolton.muchloved.com/

a special for @Mrs6C, @egg and @BlankFrank , another XWC

to go with @barrett's Invacod?

a nice rare picture showing a Tippen Delta Mk1

all together now!

found this in the comments of a facebook post, its a shame whoever posted it cropped out the person obviously standing proudly next to it!

casually parked Invacar Mk12, as if no one told it its 2024 and not 1971

this was an exciting find by Adam, which I ID'ed as being the DNX car! I was hopeful it was a recent picture, but alas doing some digging, shows it to be from 2009 also

"bus halt" *looks around for the segfault sign*

what caught my eye on this is the GEC Difractor streetlight, I mean the AC Invalid Car, a floppy top but with glass sliding windows still is a rare configuration for one of these, and I also cant help but notice the sideways mounted mirror on the A post!

a Stanley Mk7, late one on a B suffix, still looking out for one on a C suffix, I know they ended production and the sole surviving Stanley Mk7 is a 1965 car, so that one in itself will be on a C suffix

a very rare picture of an Invacar Mk10A, and in colour to boot!

"what say you, bet you 10 bob I can beat to the end of the road there?"

I perticularly like this picture of UVW285L as I finally have a half decent photo of an L suffix Invacar Model 70 on Silver on Black plates, I have have managed to get a couple decent ish AC shots, but none for Invacar (just video stills etc) because Model 70 being fleet vehicles etc they remained on silver on black plates until the 1st of Jan 1973 when the rules forced them to finally switch

I like this shot as its said to be in the East of London somewhere, also bonus 2CV sneaking into the lineup of Invacars for @dollywobbler

https://www.deutschefotothek.de/documents/obj/71874530

a nice comparison of Invacar Mk12c vs Invacar Mk12D, I like how they have attached the L plates (also note the DHSS Reserve sticker in the windscreen of the Mk12c XVW614F)

https://www.christleton.org.uk/site/magazine/emagazine_apr_2020.pdf

and finally, a special one for @Datsuncog

https://thenewartgallerywalsall.org.uk/event/2024-collections-programme-launch/

"Mo Wilson, Graham Totty with his collection of Ledo models from The People’s Show 1992"

2,608 · October 2

4 hours ago, reb said:

Pretty sure that's the one.

Could not find it with Googlefoo under "Pictorial history of the invalid tricycle", it did send me down a rabbit hole about "The enigmatic history of an Argson and the Stanley Engineering Company."

3 hours ago, The Old Bloke Next Door said:

A parliamentary report from fifty years ago which includes an assessment from the former Formula 1 champion Graham Hill.

https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/lords/1974/feb/05/disabled-drivers-vehicles

An interesting read My Lord. 👍

2,995 · October 2

On 30/09/2024 at 23:12, LightBulbFun said:

im sorry to say @plasticvandan but its pretty clear that despite the fact you might of been involved with these vehicles closer to the times they where around in Period, most of the information you seem to have about them is false or untrue, I understand that you got a lot of your information from Julian Nowill and while he was a well intentioned person, who was one of the first to genuinely care about Invacars and the preservation of them, sadly his information about them and methods, where not so good, and it lead to many machines on False identifies, Q plates, and the Ministry tightening down their grip on machines

it was because of Julians encouragement for people to actually steal cars as you mention above, that the Ministry clamped down and it lead to the extinction of some very rare Villiers machines, for example the Sole surviving 8ft tall drive-while-standing AC Acedes was explicitly scrapped rather then saved because of the way Julian was going on about things

thankfully as previously mentioned, Stuart Cyphus the successor to Julian, later patched up the ICR's relationship with the Ministry, and as mentioned later on, got a letter from the Ministry which stated that although they knew exactly which machines had been stolen under Julians time as head of the ICR, that they where no longer going to try and get them back, and that they dont care about any other machines which had survived the destruction order

Model 70's have a chassis stamped number, @busmansholiday can vouch for this if nothing else, as once I told him where to look he uncovered the chassis stamped number of MPH759P on my behalf

so I do kindly ask that you let me handle the technical Invacar questions as mentioned previously we dont need Old Fear Uncertainty and Doubt being spread here this is not the mid 2000's anymore!

I have to say, I don't think some of the arrogance on show there does you any favours LBF.

I normally enjoy your posts & the Invacar info & we all know you know your stuff but come on, some of that was rather rude imo.

22,227 · October 2

43 minutes ago, reb said:

Has hairnet and yos had an illegitimate child and hacked your account?

Come on it’s not that bad, I understood everything.

11,139 · October 2

Dan's got boxes full of old photo's and obscure literature..

11,139 · October 2

Just now, richardmorris said:

Come on it’s not that bad, I understood everything.

I woz eatin me dinn , an typin on a tablet wich is smoll .. :-)

Where , were , is more irritating

18,974 · October 2

5 minutes ago, ETCHY said:

I have to say, I don't think some of the arrogance on show there does you any favours LBF.

I normally enjoy your posts & the Invacar info & we all know you know your stuff but come on, some of that was rather rude imo.

I agree that it was not my best form and somewhat on the nose, but as you can tell I really dont like it when people spread disinformation about these vehicles! I and others have worked for many years to to clear their name so to speak and try and sort out the misinformation that is normally associated with them*, so I want someone who's information is out of date coming in here and setting the clock back! and its not the first time PVD has suddenly turned antagonistic, so I will admit I was quite curt with my opening and ending there and I am not proud of it

*for example I see Graham hills comments from the Hansard reports where pulled up, but look at the dates 1969-1970, is when he had that Invalid vehicle, he was driving an AC Acedes Mk15 Model 67, nothing to do with the Model 70 at all, so really not a fair comparison/comment to use against the Model 70

and theres lot of things like this, theres another Hansard report to do with the Model 70, where they talk to a User about his "Model 70" and despite trying to verify in the hansard report that he indeed has a Model 70, its pretty clear he does not, as he talks about it having 1 door and 1 wheel drive, so obviously not a Model 70! and then he goes on about having had it for 20 years! (keep in mind this is the mid 1970's here) so really not a Model 70 LOL

11,139 · October 2

You did read the Autocar articles ?

22,227 · October 2

1 minute ago, LightBulbFun said:

I agree that it was not my best form and somewhat on the nose, but as you can tell I really dont like it when people spread disinformation about these vehicles! I and others have worked for many years to to clear their name so to speak and try and sort out the misinformation that is normally associated with them*, so I want someone who's information is out of date coming in here and setting the clock back! and its not the first time PVD has suddenly turned antagonistic, so I will admit I was quite curt with my opening and ending there and I am not proud of it

*for example I see Graham hills comments from the Hansard reports where pulled up, but look at the dates 1969-1970, is when he had that Invalid vehicle, he was driving an AC Acedes Mk15 Model 67, nothing to do with the Model 70 at all, so really not a fair comparison/comment to use against the Model 70

and theres lot of things like this, theres another Hansard report to do with the Model 70, where they talk to a User about his "Model 70" and despite trying to verify in the hansard report that he indeed has a Model 70, its pretty clear he does not, as he talks about it having 1 door and 1 wheel drive, so obviously not a Model 70! and then he goes on about having had it for 20 years! (keep in mind this is the mid 1970's here) so really not a Model 70 LOL

The more Hansard minutes* I see ( eg in private eye or the byline times) the more it is that both mps and the House of Lords appear to talk without knowledge.

61,564 · October 2

46 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

a special for @Mrs6C, @egg and @BlankFrank , another XWC

wow, racing stripe on the bonnet? Thanks.

18,974 · October 2

1 minute ago, Christine said:

You did read the Autocar articles ?

indeed its from these results that they improved the design of the Model 70 to correct most of the issues brought up in the crash test results, see for example where previously in this thread I talk about how they redesigned the fuel tank and fuel tank mounting system and retrofitted this to all earlier machines, along with a collapsable front mud guard, and moving the gear-change from the dash to the floor, as well implementing specific changes to the chassis on vehicles rolling off the production line, to further enhance crash safety

11,139 · October 2

Well thats ok then

October 2

52 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

I've always thought Morrissey was a bit of a spastic

22,227 · October 2

3 minutes ago, MAF260 said:

I've always thought Morrissey was a bit of a spastic

Now that’s one of those words that haven’t been used since the 1970s.

3,795 · October 2

@LightBulbFunAny idea on the location of the East London photo? From the look of things it must be outside an approved repairer's place.

22,227 · October 2

1 hour ago, LightBulbFun said:

since we are on a clean page! I thought now would be a good time to post some of the perticularly nice pictures I had rounded up and was was hoping/saving to post for Page 400 celebrations

https://www.dudleypeoplesarchive.com/ephemera

https://joanbolton.muchloved.com/

a special for @Mrs6C, @egg and @BlankFrank , another XWC

to go with @barrett's Invacod?

a nice rare picture showing a Tippen Delta Mk1

all together now!

found this in the comments of a facebook post, its a shame whoever posted it cropped out the person obviously standing proudly next to it!

casually parked Invacar Mk12, as if no one told it its 2024 and not 1971

this was an exciting find by Adam, which I ID'ed as being the DNX car! I was hopeful it was a recent picture, but alas doing some digging, shows it to be from 2009 also

"bus halt" *looks around for the segfault sign*

what caught my eye on this is the GEC Difractor streetlight, I mean the AC Invalid Car, a floppy top but with glass sliding windows still is a rare configuration for one of these, and I also cant help but notice the sideways mounted mirror on the A post!

a Stanley Mk7, late one on a B suffix, still looking out for one on a C suffix, I know they ended production and the sole surviving Stanley Mk7 is a 1965 car, so that one in itself will be on a C suffix

a very rare picture of an Invacar Mk10A, and in colour to boot!

"what say you, bet you 10 bob I can beat to the end of the road there?"

I perticularly like this picture of UVW285L as I finally have a half decent photo of an L suffix Invacar Model 70 on Silver on Black plates, I have have managed to get a couple decent ish AC shots, but none for Invacar (just video stills etc) because Model 70 being fleet vehicles etc they remained on silver on black plates until the 1st of Jan 1973 when the rules forced them to finally switch

I like this shot as its said to be in the East of London somewhere, also bonus 2CV sneaking into the lineup of Invacars for @dollywobbler

https://www.deutschefotothek.de/documents/obj/71874530

a nice comparison of Invacar Mk12c vs Invacar Mk12D, I like how they have attached the L plates (also note the DHSS Reserve sticker in the windscreen of the Mk12c XVW614F)

https://www.christleton.org.uk/site/magazine/emagazine_apr_2020.pdf

and finally, a special one for @Datsuncog

https://thenewartgallerywalsall.org.uk/event/2024-collections-programme-launch/

"Mo Wilson, Graham Totty with his collection of Ledo models from The People’s Show 1992"

Just noticed the 2cv!

11,139 · October 2

I noticed the traffic wardens legs

18,974 · October 2

6 minutes ago, Mr Pastry said:

@LightBulbFunAny idea on the location of the East London photo? From the look of things it must be outside an approved repairer's place.

sadly I dont have much beyond the original source, which is not very descriptive

https://www.deutschefotothek.de/documents/obj/71874530

5 minutes ago, richardmorris said:

Just noticed the 2cv!

1978, must be pretty early for a 2CV here in England after Slough stopped making them in the 1960?

22,227 · October 2

3 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

sadly I dont have much beyond the original source, which is not very descriptive

https://www.deutschefotothek.de/documents/obj/71874530

1978, must be pretty early for a 2CV here in England after Slough stopped making them in the 1960?

Will be a square headlamp drum brake I think. My dad had a 1979 Dyane .

22,227 · October 2

1 minute ago, richardmorris said:

Will be a square headlamp drum brake I think. My dad had a 1979 Dyane .

Actually, looking closer, it’s a left hand drive ( driver door mirror) snd I think Belgian spec ( grey rubber bumper insert snd not black tape ). We can all be nerds over something !

22,227 · October 2

External roof opening latch too. Not UK.

11,139 · October 2

An immigrant from France then

22,227 · October 2

2 minutes ago, Christine said:

An immigrant from France then

I’d guess Belgium, but one of those foreign johnnies yes. The main interest is why there, in with all the invacars?

11,139 · October 2

Just now, richardmorris said:

External roof opening latch too. Not UK.

Kindly leave techinical things to OP

23,354 · October 2

"Recently, the famous racing driver, Mr. Graham Hill, used a wheelchair as a result of an accident, and he was asked to test one of the three-wheelers for a national newspaper. I will quote his own words. He said: I was so appalled at what I found that ever since then I have tried everything within my power to publicise the fact that such vehicles should not be allowed on the road. If those strong words are not enough, would add that an independent test was carried out by the Cranfield Institute of Technology, and confirmed what Mr. Hill had said. Indeed, there were seventy points presented. I shall not weary your Lordships with all of them, but I will mention just a few which will no doubt be appreciated by the drivers among your Lordships. The test showed that the trikes are difficult to control in high winds; they are dangerous when braking and swerving; they have a flimsy fibre glass body which 749is not structurally reinforced, and indeed may well be inflammable in the event of fire; the petrol tank is mounted under the front of the bonnet; and they have only one door which could well prevent a driver from getting out in the event of the vehicle turning over. It is not difficult to see that the trike is outmoded and dangerous."

High praise from a man who made his living driving a flimsy plastic deathtrap lashed together in a Norfolk shed by a corrupt, tax-dodging spiv who didn't give a fuck about the safety of his drivers.

22,227 · October 2

1 minute ago, Christine said:

Kindly leave techinical things to OP

I was adding moral support!

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