invacar LightBulbFun's Invacar & general ramble thread, index on page 1, survivors lists on Pages 24/134 & AdgeCutler's Invacar Mk12 Restoration from Page 186 onwards, still harping on...

[warren t claim]

2 minutes ago, loserone said:

Dead I expect 

My cat is in rude health at 14. He'll probably outlive me.

[BorniteIdentity]

2 hours ago, wuvvum said:

Given that you managed to put REV on its side doing a 3-point turn at 10mph, I think that's a safe assumption.

LOL

 

[warren t claim]

Is it true that the ignition key for an Invicare also doubles up as a RADAR key to allow access to the disabled bogs in railway stations?

[RoverFolkUs]

48 minutes ago, warren t claim said:

Is it true that the ignition key for an Invicare also doubles up as a RADAR key to allow access to the disabled bogs in railway stations?

Invicare, Invacare, or Invacar? 😅

[chadders]

10 hours ago, wuvvum said:

Given that you managed to put REV on its side doing a 3-point turn at 10mph, I think that's a safe assumption.

I now know why Bodie and Doyle didn't drive them even though they'd be a lot easier to jump over/through than their Fords. We would have probably never have seen this either.

[EyesWeldedShut]

1 hour ago, chadders said:

I now know why Bodie and Doyle didn't drive them even though they'd be a lot easier to jump over/through than their Fords. We would have probably never have seen this either.

They (Bodie & Doyle) did a switch to the Dark Side (BL) for one series - floppy haired character got a Dolly Sprint but I have no recall as to what the other guy got. Gordon Jackson just got different coloured Crombies to wear.

[Dobloseven]

23 minutes ago, EyesWeldedShut said:

They (Bodie & Doyle) did a switch to the Dark Side (BL) for one series - floppy haired character got a Dolly Sprint but I have no recall as to what the other guy got. Gordon Jackson just got different coloured Crombies to wear.

That was the early shows.One had  Sprint,one a TR7and believe Cowley a Rover SD1.They changed to Fords because BL couldn't or wouldn't reliably supply the cars, leading to continuity problems.

[alcyonecorporation]

On 01/02/2024 at 20:35, brummiejon said:

There is so much ableism and incredulity over anyone interested in "death traps"  in this forum, I'm nor surprised you lost your rag.  Everybody is free to be enthusiastic about anything they want... This forum is not a safe space as I discovered last year... screw the Trolls lurking... I'm already expecting a flaming  for this post... Sad Bastar*s

When are we getting done for pointing out that you were breaking the law, by the way?

[wuvvum]

2 hours ago, Dobloseven said:

They changed to Fords because BL couldn't or wouldn't supply reliable cars

FTFY

[andrew e]

Lets stick a load of range rover badges on the Invacar, instantly nicked pronto, thread dead 😉

[cupoftea]

22 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

genuinely want to hear more about his Grandpas Invacar, often times it can be quite fun talking to people who knew of them in period, especially if you can get any fine details to identify the machine

• My grandfathers car was narrower than the later types and had a fabric roof and smokey little engine. Probably a Tippen.  I had to sit on his lap to ride in it, his tin leg was uncomfortable. 

[chadders]

5 hours ago, EyesWeldedShut said:

 

 

5 hours ago, EyesWeldedShut said:

They (Bodie & Doyle) did a switch to the Dark Side (BL) for one series - floppy haired character got a Dolly Sprint but I have no recall as to what the other guy got. Gordon Jackson just got different coloured Crombies to wear.

Martin Shaw has done some aviation themed programmes since, one being this:

"Death or Freedom: The Jericho Jailbreak

It was one of the most daring raids of World War Two. This documentary gives fresh insights into the spectacular mission's planning and leadership."

https://tv24.co.uk/p/death-or-freedom-the-jericho-jailbreak-g7o58t

He's also quite active in the charity field, being the patron of one that my missus helps.

[chadders]

I forgot to add this:

https://www.hillside.org.uk/

 

 

[Dave_Q]

4 hours ago, alcyonecorporation said:

When are we getting done for pointing out that you were breaking the law, by the way?

You spelt ableism wrong there m9

[LightBulbFun]

1 hour ago, cupoftea said:

• My grandfathers car was narrower than the later types and had a fabric roof and smokey little engine. Probably a Tippen.  I had to sit on his lap to ride in it, his tin leg was uncomfortable. 

Yeah that sounds like a Tippen Delta to me  they uniquely remained narrow body machines while others went wide body

although depending on just how long ago we are talking about here, it could of been a Harper Mk1 or Mk4  

[chadders]

3 hours ago, wuvvum said:

They changed to Fords because BL couldn't or wouldn't supply reliable cars

FTFY

Didn't Ford have a massive PR budget whereas BL were living hand to mouth at that time?

[Jim Bergerac]

11 minutes ago, chadders said:

Didn't Ford have a massive PR budget whereas BL were living hand to mouth at that time?

Yeah, Ford could afford to have a larger fleet of vehicles, so they could loan a couple of cars to Euston Films for the whole shoot. BL meanwhile would have to take cars back, and wouldn't have an identical back up car should there have been a failure to proceed.

[LightBulbFun]

On 27/01/2024 at 01:31, Mr Pastry said:

@LightBulbFunDon't read too much into the carburettor numbers.  They are minor differences in design which probably don't affect performance at all.   The overall condition of the  carb is more important.

yeah I have had a few people tell me thi, but it still bugging me because I knew that when it came to 32ICS carbs, the numbers also often meant a different state of tune and jet sizes for example IIRC certain steyr puch 643cc engined vehicles used the 32ICS9 and maybe the 32ICS10? (non T suffix)

 

so I finally knuckled down and found a bit of info on the Model 70 specific 32ICS10T carb

which has provided to be a very interesting read, if I am not mistaken its actually slightly de-tuned compared to the 32ICS3 the Model 70 originally shipped with

 

but im obviously not an expert when it comes to reading these values etc! I mainly just know* that main Jet size is one of the main things that effect engine power, in that it controls how much fuel flows right?

 

I also came across this interesting PDF

https://doczz.com.br/doc/1241942/steyr-puch-vergaserhandbuch

and I also have this parts digram PDF

32ICS10T.pdf

[LightBulbFun]

30 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

its actually slightly de-tuned compared to the 32ICS3 the Model 70 originally shipped with

actually I just noticed the 2 32ICS3 screenshots are from the Model 70 workshop manual and in one section it says it has jet size of 135 and in another it says its 125! 

wonder which it actually is! 

[Zelandeth]

I really should check what's actually in TPA's carb one day. The main jet is the one thing I didn't note when I took it apart for cleaning as it was visually obvious where it went.  The correction net is 220 rather than 230 on the sheets though.  The idle jet matches though.  

It's something that I've done very little with to be honest as it's largely just behaved since I took it apart to the be cleaned the second time round.  There is quite a bit of wear on the throttle shaft as I recall though which will eventually want looking at.  It's one of those things I'm loathe to mess with it when it's generally working though!

[chadders]

This guy is very well regarded as to working on that generation of carbs.

He specialises in Solex which your spec says was an option.

My recon one is still running well after 11+ years.

https://rage-keveronderdelen.nl/

Given that it's not a 100 point, matching numbers restoration of a valuable vehicle it might be worth contacting him even if you're certain that yours came with a Weber.

[Mr Pastry]

I think if the carbs were not generally interchangeable between different mod 70 engines the service manual would say so.   It may even be the case that Weber supplied a batch of whatever they had in stock at the time which was within spec. 

You are dealing with a worn engine, with a different blend of fuel, and different ignition timing, to what it was designed for, so none of those carb specs may be exactly right for it.  If it starts easily and runs well, with reasonable fuel consumption, that is about the best you can do.  You may be able to find a little more power or economy by swapping carbs, but it won't be startlingly different, so if it ain't broke, don't fix it basically.  

Remember that the carburettor doesn't pump fuel in.  It simply responds to the suction of the engine.  The jets have to be considered as a matched set, to provide the correct mixture at all throttle openings, and changing just one of them won't necessarily have a good outcome. 

If you want to get into the theory then "Tuning Weber Carburettors" by John Passini.  It is not a 5 minute read.  Tbf it deals more with the sports/racing types and it's an old book now, but it does show how complex the subject is.

Btw did you manage to source a kingpin kit?

[wuvvum]

3 hours ago, cupoftea said:

•  I had to sit on his lap to ride in it, his tin leg was uncomfortable. 

That's a euphemism I hadn't heard before.

[Christine]

45 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

actually I just noticed the 2 32ICS3 screenshots are from the Model 70 workshop manual and in one section it says it has jet size of 135 and in another it says its 125! 

wonder which it actually is! 

Ask Red 5  to look ? Oh wait ...

[NorthernMonkey]

9 minutes ago, wuvvum said:

That's a euphemism I hadn't heard before.

The problem is his disability was a missing arm 🤔😳😳

[AdgeCutler]

After being asked to take Brian to a local car meet it was time to fling open his shed door, he hasn't seen the light of day for some time now. I've been around all the lubrication points and applied motion lotion and washed off all the filth that had accumulated on the body over the winter. Upon turning the ignition key he burst into life immediately and is ready for the (hopefully not too windy) outing tomorrow. 

[Dobloseven]

Probably overthinking the carburettor business.Back in the seventies there were 2,4 and 5 star petrol with lots of lovely lead in it.As has been said,modern petrol is going to be different.Probably if it runs ok, that's as good as it's going to get.Do the regular users use E5 premium fuel,I wonder?Been past a petrol station today that sells leaded 4 star fuel.

Edit.Still got the sign up and know it did till very recently,but think it's stopped now.

[Sheefag]

1 hour ago, Jim Bergerac said:

Yeah, Ford could afford to have a larger fleet of vehicles, so they could loan a couple of cars to Euston Films for the whole shoot. BL meanwhile would have to take cars back, and wouldn't have an identical back up car should there have been a failure to proceed.

The Professionals was from Avengers Mark1 Productions. Euston Films was The Sweeney.

[chadders]

3 minutes ago, Sheefag said:

The Professionals was from Avengers Mark1 Productions. Euston Films was The Sweeney.

Do you know if either supplied invacares for street or chase scenes?

The opening of 'The Sweeney' would be a bit different and Reagan and Carter would also be a tad cramped. Mind you as it apparently can go as fast backwards as forwards there'd be no need for those awkward J turns where it'd fall over.

 

[Christine]

20 bhp isn't gonna make an 400kg invacar do 82.. it just isn't...