invacar LightBulbFun's Invacar & general ramble thread, index on page 1, survivors lists on Pages 24/134 & AdgeCutler's Invacar Mk12 Restoration from Page 186 onwards, still harping on...

[LightBulbFun]

2 minutes ago, NorthernMonkey said:

It was an unfortunate incident, in so much as the driver had been arrested a week or two prior for, shall we say, being rather fond of pre-teen boys.

Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on who you listen to) he was safe on remand at the time, awaiting sentencing.

As you were….

Oh...

 

@Talbot wheres that comedy sketch video, where they open a time capsule from the 1970's and everything inside it turns out to be grossly misappropriate? 

feels like that right now LOL

[Talbot]

This 'un?

 

[LightBulbFun]

8 minutes ago, Talbot said:

This 'un?

 

Thats the bugger!

sorry all I could remember from that particular weekend is "Pakora" 

[martc]

Glad to see we're back to Invacar etc chat. Keep it up chaps.

(Light bulb chat also welcomed)

[warren t claim]

On 7/19/2023 at 8:51 PM, GrumpiusMaximus said:

Mate.  It was specifically set up because a number of posters threw their toys out of the pram and were called out for being cunts.  I don't take issue with it existing.  What I see is a bunch of sad middle-aged men trying to bully a young man with cerebral palsy and autism and tell him what he should do with his money because they haven't sorted their own lives out and want somebody to point a finger at for their own failures.  And the person they're trying to bully blissfully ignoring it.

It's utterly, utterly pathetic.

Peace out.

I'm very much aware of my own failures and try to at least get a laugh out of them. 

[GrumpiusMaximus]

7 minutes ago, warren t claim said:

I'm very much aware of my own failures and try to at least get a laugh out of them. 

I've never had a problem with anything you've posted.  You're not a bully.  We disagree on a lot of things but you always have a reason...

I promise you, I'm not as sanctimonious and irritating IRL.

[Urko]

On 7/19/2023 at 8:51 PM, GrumpiusMaximus said:

Mate.  It was specifically set up because a number of posters threw their toys out of the pram and were called out for being cunts. 

Incorrect.

[LightBulbFun]

On 14/07/2023 at 16:15, LightBulbFun said:

I do wish there where less used M270CELSH

 

On 14/07/2023 at 19:06, LightBulbFun said:

(and with some lamps, there may be sputtering just from factory testing that will clear up after first lighting,) 

so turns out on that note the M270CELSH's I had gotten in this lot might actually be NOS

ill bring up this picture again 

for the 2 lamps left and right of the clear lamp, notice how dark the arc tubes look? and indeed I was thinking I had gotten a load of well used ones

 

but I remembered, that from the factory Iwasaki CMH (Ceramic metal halide lamps) often can have messy/dark looking arc tubes, that clear up on first running, as can be seen on these new in box examples on eBay

https://www.ebay.com/itm/334845751576

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272814105147

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274356599839

 

so I took one from the lot, ran it up to full power and then let it cooled down, and low and behold it had a nice clean looking arc tube!

as an aside the clear lamp with the X ominously scribbled on it does thankfully work perfectly  I like this lit photo I took of it as it shows off the interference/iridescent  patterns caused by the zinc oxide UV filter coating on the outer bulb

 

so I then took one of the more gnarly looking ones 

and likewise ran it up to full power

let it cool down which greeted me with a nice clear arc tube (for a CMH lamp that is, being a sintered ceramic they are always frosted looking even when new)

so I am quite pleased about this as it means all these 270W Lamps which I thought where well used, may actually be NOS that have simply never been lit up before  

 

in this regard it reminds me of the Osram 1000W HQI-T's that showed up on eBay, and the listing photo showed a lamp looking like this, and of course none us went near that, we all thought "oh someones just put a duff lamp back in the new lamps packet" 

but it was very cheap so eventually another collector did make the first move, and low and behold once the lamp was run for the first time it cleared up beautifully! (not my picture this one)

thankfully the seller seems to have had a whole boat load of these, so in the end everyone was able to get one  and every single one did look fucked until first running (the first picture is my own for example)

these 1000W's where an extreme case, but shows my thought process of the 270W lamps nicely!

(the blackening in this case would of likely come from someone lighting the lamps, but not allowing them to run up fully, if you power up a discharge lamp and then turn it off before its had a chance to run up you will get some nasty looking blackening from everything that gets "thrown up" on striking but is cleaned up by the heat of the lamp running up)

 

 

I also got some of the 40W HPS lamps lit up, it makes for a nice background light, its High pressure sodium colour, but only 3300 lumens of it so not overwhelming  

and again they have such cute tiny arc tubes, its quite amusing, theres almost more dead space taken but by the electrodes etc, then their is actual arc!

and I also got one of the lesser used 250W Green metal halides lit, heres a close up of the arc tube at full power, you can see the arc between the 2 glowing electrodes which slowly erode and sputter over time

 

and then finally I got one of the big bugger 2000W Ushio Metal halide lamps lit  these look to be 6500K daylight lamps which is nice, as the 2000W Iwasaki's I also got in this lot are 4200K Cool white lamps, so they compliment each other nicely in the collection

always lots of fun powering these up, because of the process involved, is a multi-stage process, with lots of things buzzing and growling, proper mad scientist feel  

and of course, very fucking bright at 200,000 lumens or there abouts! 

[egg]

3 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

everyone was able to get one

how many lightbulb folk are there? Say there are maybe 5,000 shiters in the UK - it's hard to put a number on it - but I'm talking of people who see a Mitsubishi Carisma have a little moment of joy or would consider a Standard 10 as a daily car. How does that compare to lightbulb peeps?

[LightBulbFun]

37 minutes ago, egg said:

how many lightbulb folk are there? Say there are maybe 5,000 shiters in the UK - it's hard to put a number on it - but I'm talking of people who see a Mitsubishi Carisma have a little moment of joy or would consider a Standard 10 as a daily car. How does that compare to lightbulb peeps?

doing a quick check of one of the bigger/biggest lighting forums out there I see 1286 members listed world wide, so yeah not many (especially when you consider inactive accounts etc)

and within that you get collectors/enthusiasts who only focus/are interested in certain sub categories, people who only collect incandescent lamps/dont care for discharge lamps and vice versa

or people who collect lamps only, and dont care for fixtures, and likewise people who mostly collect fixtures/streetlights and not so much the lamps themselves

and then you have the different reasons why people collect lightbulbs/their level of interest in them etc,

so not everyone is quite like me for better or for worse LOL

 

tis certainly what most people would consider a niche hobby! but it can be lots of fun  

for example I recently did a trade with a follow collector all the way out in Australia, and got my first Australian made tubes/lightbulbs in the collection  

I have wanting an Australian ELMA lamp in the collection for some time   

this Crompton tube is also my first working "crimp capped" Philips tube, Philips T12 tubes made before 1973 or there about had distinctive knurled caps like you see above, and I did not have any working examples of this in the collection, so thats another box ticked  even earlier Philips tubes from the 1960's and earlier had brass caps, I dont have any of these to hand in the collection but I have a pair of very rare woods glass ones, that Skizzer has been kindly holding onto me for about 5 years now!

The Austrlian lamp factory was jointly run by the Electric Lamp manufacturers Association, with machinery supplied by Philips, so no matter what brand tube or lamp you bought in Australia, it was all the same!

(apart from a couple exceptions around Thorn/Mazda tubes/lamps) the same was true in New Zealand also with the ZELMA factory (but I sadly dont currently have any NZ lamps/tubes, hoping to do another trade and rectify that however  )

 

I also got these tubes from the Australian collector, European specification 2ft T12's, higher end Triphosphor tubes, that where made in the USA, but sold by Bunnings (IIRC), in Australia in the late 2000's early 2010's and now a pair reside here with me in England, well travelled tubes  

[Snake Charmer]

3 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

always lots of fun powering these up, because of the process involved, is a multi-stage process, with lots of things buzzing and growling, proper mad scientist feel  

[egg]

15 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

The Austrlian lamp factory was jointly run by the Electric Lamp manufacturers Association, with machinery supplied by Philips, so no matter what brand tube or lamp you bought in Australia, it was all the same!

Again there's kind of a link there with cars, with Aussie car factories building, well, it seems like anything they could get their hands on!

[LightBulbFun]

in Model 70 news Adam has finally got the V5 for PPJ533R  it just took him a fair while to get round to applying for it (its curious how the revenue weight is down as 406Kg, being a roll-over bar Model 70 it should be 413/414Kg, although checking TPE409S's V5 also has that one down as 406Kg, so maybes its an AC thing, something to look into!)

PPJ533R is this one for those wondering

On 25/08/2021 at 10:55, LightBulbFun said:

ohh thats interesting

not a Model 70 I immediately recognise! although it does look familiar

I wonder who it sold to, I just checked with @adam1db and it was not him, but he said he will contact the seller and see if any more info can be got

its a shame the chassis plate picture is so low rez or id be able to ID the car!

  

the bodge to replace the interior light is hilarious I dont think iv seen that done before

it also has some curious roof damage, I wonder how it happened, did he reverse into a low hanging bar or very low bridge? LOL

if he just reversed into a wall it would of just clouted the rear end first

 

Thank you very much for the heads up

 

 

that also reminds me @quicksilver did you ever get any more word on this one? or get some details so I can chase it up myself?  

 

[DVee8]

LBF,  Some questions.

How many  lightbulbs do you have?

Where do you store all of these lightbulbs/how much space do they take up?

Are there any special ways of storage ie upright?

How old is the oldest?

Do you light them once then put them away or do you use them?

Do you trade them/sell them?

Are any valuable/very valuable?

Do some cost more than others to use/ what is the cost of running?

 

 

 

[LightBulbFun]

On 23/07/2023 at 07:13, DVee8 said:

LBF,  Some questions.

How many  lightbulbs do you have?

Where do you store all of these lightbulbs/how much space do they take up?

Are there any special ways of storage ie upright?

How old is the oldest?

Do you light them once then put them away or do you use them?

Do you trade them/sell them?

Are any valuable/very valuable?

Do some cost more than others to use/ what is the cost of running?

 

 

 

Quite a few, I have never really kept count, I just keep a rough mental list of what I have, they are kept here at home, just squirrelled away in various places in my room  

in regards to special storage conditions, all my many fluorescent tubes I store horizontally, to keep any weight off the ends to try and prevent cracking of the glass right at the end which can happen due to stresses in the glass from manufacture, and also to prevent the weight of the tube pushing the end cap in, which can happen especially on 8ft tubes etc, also because horizontal storage is the most convenient for me as well, and generally you want to avoid glass to glass contact or contact with hard surfaces that might have hard particles especially if they are liable to be jostled 

my oldest is a tie between these 2  

https://autoshite.com/topic/32723-lightbulbfuns-invacar-general-ramble-thread-index-on-page-1-survivors-lists-on-pages-24134-adgecutlers-invacar-mk12-restoration-from-page-186-onwards-still-harping-on/page/265/?tab=comments#comment-2555166

generally I and many other collectors like to do trades with other collectors, when it comes to an exchange between collectors  

 

most of the lightbulbs in my collection are too rare to use, so only come out from time to time, to get lit up enjoyed for a bit then put away where/when I can,  but others if I have multiple of, or are less rare, I might put into use, if the opportunity presented itself

lightbulbs dont really have much value, they aint made of gold or platinum or anything like that, just mostly a rarity/sought after factor, and as for cost of running of course a 2000W lightbulb will draw more electricity then a 200W one

 

but I never run anything day in and day out, having a 2000W lightbulb running for a few minutes is no different to someone having their 3000W kettle on for a cup of tea  

(its just a lightbulb of course visualises that power usage very well so people often think its worse then it is!)

 

hope this answers the questions satisfactorily  

 

 

 

[Weird Car]

On 7/20/2023 at 2:16 PM, Weird Car said:

I think it was Big Al who told me that the mk12s were more prone to fire as in wet weather condensation would drip down from the rear window right on top of the black box and create an electrical short thus fire would ensue. Don’t know how accurate that is though 

Not sure if you missed this @LightBulbFun but I’d of been keen to have gotten your expert opinion on Al’s theory

[beko1987]

On 22/07/2023 at 18:44, LightBulbFun said:

doing a quick check of one of the bigger/biggest lighting forums out there I see 1286 members listed world wide, so yeah not many (especially when you consider inactive accounts etc)

and within that you get collectors/enthusiasts who only focus/are interested in certain sub categories, people who only collect incandescent lamps/dont care for discharge lamps and vice versa

or people who collect lamps only, and dont care for fixtures, and likewise people who mostly collect fixtures/streetlights and not so much the lamps themselves

and then you have the different reasons why people collect lightbulbs/their level of interest in them etc,

so not everyone is quite like me for better or for worse LOL

 

tis certainly what most people would consider a niche hobby! but it can be lots of fun  

for example I recently did a trade with a follow collector all the way out in Australia, and got my first Australian made tubes/lightbulbs in the collection  

I have wanting an Australian ELMA lamp in the collection for some time   

this Crompton tube is also my first working "crimp capped" Philips tube, Philips T12 tubes made before 1973 or there about had distinctive knurled caps like you see above, and I did not have any working examples of this in the collection, so thats another box ticked  even earlier Philips tubes from the 1960's and earlier had brass caps, I dont have any of these to hand in the collection but I have a pair of very rare woods glass ones, that Skizzer has been kindly holding onto me for about 5 years now!

The Austrlian lamp factory was jointly run by the Electric Lamp manufacturers Association, with machinery supplied by Philips, so no matter what brand tube or lamp you bought in Australia, it was all the same!

(apart from a couple exceptions around Thorn/Mazda tubes/lamps) the same was true in New Zealand also with the ZELMA factory (but I sadly dont currently have any NZ lamps/tubes, hoping to do another trade and rectify that however  )

 

I also got these tubes from the Australian collector, European specification 2ft T12's, higher end Triphosphor tubes, that where made in the USA, but sold by Bunnings (IIRC), in Australia in the late 2000's early 2010's and now a pair reside here with me in England, well travelled tubes  

Through my vacuum cleaner collecting hobby I know people who collect washing machines, dryers, industrial floor equipment, food mixers and kettles. 

Always someone with a collection more stupid than yours! The trick is not to be a dick about it, because their probably thinking it about yours 🤣 However once the mutual random collection is out in the open conversation becomes much easier! (assuming the other person isn't a stuck up arsehole etc) 

[LightBulbFun]

3 hours ago, Weird Car said:

Not sure if you missed this @LightBulbFun but I’d of been keen to have gotten your expert opinion on Al’s theory

I am somewhat sceptical of the claim, its not one that I have heard from anyone else or read about elsewhere

and I would not think it would cause a short circuit anywhere, corrosion from getting wet might cause a high resistance that gets warm somewhere, but it would not cause anything to directly short out per-say

and the Dyanstart box generally would (should!) have a cover over it to protect it, so it would require a fair old soaking to actually get inside!

 

not saying its impossible for it to happen, the infamous picture of JWC883C up in flames

I suspect was started from an electrical fire, or something else inside the cabin catching fire (driver dropping his smoke/pipe?),

because that what is is on fire, you will note in the picture that the engine compartment/fuel tank area is not where the fire started, and its not even on fire in the photo, so I dont think that was a fuel/engine fire for example

so that would just leave either an electrical fire or some other external factor

 

but I have not otherwise heard any other claims of the Dynstart box causing fires

 

[Mrs6C]

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[warren t claim]

12 hours ago, Mrs6C said:

 A reported post has been hidden by the Moderators, pending review.

What rule did it break?

[chaseracer]

51 minutes ago, warren t claim said:

What rule did it break?

We'll start with DON'T BE A DICK and go from there.

[JJ0063]

Couple for the wank bank I found on a local group I’m on  @LightBulbFun
 

 

[LightBulbFun]

49 minutes ago, JJ0063 said:

Couple for the wank bank I found on a local group I’m on  @LightBulbFun
 

 

hah cool! I had seen the Odeon one with the Tippen Delta before  here it is in slightly higher resolution form 

 

On 26/02/2010 at 14:13, ChinaTom said:

here is another 3 wheeler outside Norwich Odeon.

 

http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad112/TangMing/norwichodc62.jpg

 

but the 2nd picture with the Harper Mk1 in shot is a new one on me I think  

 

[Crackers]

[OldBlokeInACaravan]

What the hell happened over the last few pages?   Some heads need banging together.....

I dip in and out of the forum, yes, I'm disabled too, people can spend THEIR money on what they want.....they have paid into the system, anything they receive back they are entitled to.....there are many in this country, both home grown and imported, who have it handed on a plate, and breed like flies who have never worked a day in their life, and never paid a penny into the system.....   So if anyone wants an argument about disability benefits, bring it on, because I'm like a lesbian on speed, I can give you a hundred lashings with my tongue, no problem! 😆 Then tell you how to claim PIP!   play nicely with your Invacars, Invalid Carriages and Light Bulbs..... wankers!

[OldBlokeInACaravan]

Well there has been a complaint/s about my comment about my attempt at humour about lesbians and telling folks off.....well tell you what. You WOKE SNOWFLAKES need to get a grip, if you're offended, be offended, I couldn't give a shiny shite.  Deal with it!  I was sticking up for @lightbulbfun   The moderators ain't so quick to stop disability shaming!!!!! C#nts!    But I am not taking my comment down!   If they want to kick me off. Then bollox to em.....no loss 'ere.

 

[Talbot]

 

Moderators are actually quicker than you think.
Don't tar everyone with the one brush.
Your comment doesn't really help matters.

[OldBlokeInACaravan]

35 minutes ago, Talbot said:

 

Moderators are actually quicker than you think.
Don't tar everyone with the one brush.
Your comment doesn't really help matters.

I'm perfectly calm thank you.  I'll give my own opinion if  I please, it's an open forum, why doesn't it help?  Plenty want to slate Light Bulb Fun, what's wrong sticking up for him?     Opinions are like arseholes, everybody has one, but some stink more than others!

[Talbot]

28 minutes ago, OldBlokeInACaravan said:

I'm perfectly calm thank you. 

Putting comments with ALL CAPS and multiple exclamation marks after would suggest otherwise.  No need to get all shouty!

28 minutes ago, OldBlokeInACaravan said:

I'll give my own opinion if  I please, it's an open forum, why doesn't it help?

Because you've made an assumption, which isn't correct.  Of course you can give your opinion if you wish.  I wasn't stopping you or saying you shouldn't in any way, but I'm also giving you my opinion, which is equally valid.

[DodgeRover]

3 hours ago, Talbot said:

 

Moderators are actually quicker than you think.
Don't tar everyone with the one brush.
 

I think that had hit the nail on the head regarding moderators.

Can I suggest Talbot their may be someway to post as a normal user without your username in green which people may automatically assume makes you a power mad post deleting moderator?