Has anyone had a lorry transported? Is it hi - NOW BODGE 50 HORSEBO11OX THREAD (Now with added turtles)

[Asimo]

Radiators - Diesels are more efficient, ie produce less heat for a given power but they have a much cooler exhaust so lose much less heat down the exhaust pipe than petrol engines. Diesels put a lot of power into friction compared to petrols, and that friction heats up the coolant eventually. Non DI Diesels also loose extra heat into their cylinder heads via the pre-chamber.

Which all adds up to Diesels needing bigger radiators than petrols of the same power. (Unless the petrol is something heroically inefficient like a sidevalve Ford V8, with it's very long exhaust ports and acres of combustion chamber)

[andy18s]

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[Dan_ZTT]

Some inspiration for you...

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/4x4qpq/london-rental-opportunity-of-the-week-have-you-ever-stayed-in-a-horsebox-before-no-well-nows-your-chance

 

[comedy article, real horsebox conversion]

 

[Lankytim]

Just crushed a V6 freelander you could’ve had the rad out of! Gah!

 

I do have a Webasto coolant heater as fitted to various Citroens though. Maybe of use to run a central heating system? Runs off diesel.

[DodgeRover]

Just crushed a V6 freelander you could’ve had the rad out of! Gah!

 

I do have a Webasto coolant heater as fitted to various Citroens though. Maybe of use to run a central heating system? Runs off diesel.

If Mr B isn't interested I could be - did you save the dosing pump as well?

[Lankytim]

What’s a dosing pump? AFAIK the heater has a fuel pump and a water pump as part of the unit.

 

Edit, just googled what one is and yep, it’s all there.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

What!!! Have I just missed another V6 freelander? That’s another inlet manifold and fuel pipe I could have ‘upcycled’ ono my 75

 

On the rad front, I’ve just taken delivery of a splendid big ‘Hoo Flung Dung’ brand Aluminium rad intended for a Ford Galaxie (The big old yank tank not the diesel shitbox child transporter) which I can’t wait to start knife-and-forking into place

[Mr_Bo11ox]

Alright gang, hows it going? I'm not on here much now as I am finding myself less and less inclined to interact with other humans generally, but I have been doing the odd bit on the truck now and then. Its sat on the drive looking friggin awful, but seeing as its the winter and I'm working 11-12 hour days I only actually see it in daylight 2 days a week so its tolerable for me.

 

Built a big table in my garage, converting it from a too-small-really garage into an indoor workshop for cleaning/repairing/making/fettling horsebox bits:

 

 

I'm basically just trying to work through the cab and get it into some sort of condition that will see it through an MOT and sufficiently well out of 'fucked' territory. Al Bundy did loads of welding on it, but his work really needs painting and sealing properly or its just gonna rot out again and be even worse than it was before. A lot of it is quite inaccessible so I have been dismantling a lot so I can access it and clean/seal paint it all semi-properly.

 

 

Heres the view out my garage door at the moment. Nice eh? I have basically just been removing stuff to access other stuff, which inevitably involves rusty bolts (mix of metric and imperial!!!) snapping off and removing stuff you really dont want to get involved in. I've removed the bumper, grille, radiator, headlights, screenwash bottle, bumper support beam, blower motor and some other bits. Its surprisingly difficult to dismantle, for example you are suposed to remove the brake servo to get the heater blower out - I got it out byy dismantling it in situ and removing the bits, snapping various bolts along the way.

 

 

Heres the RH inner wheelarch seen from the engine bay. Its all new metal so needed painting, ive cleaned it up as best I can, treated it all with jenolite and done 2 coats of red oxide primer as well.

 

 

Looks a bit better eh.

 

Bought a big tin of 'Oxford Blue' Tekaloid enamel, i plan to paint the whole thing with this eventually. Seems somehow very exciting to open the tin and see thie bright shiney blueness:

 

 

 

While I was on I tarted up the tin shields each side of the radiator:

 

 

 

Not even started on the other side yet:

 

 

Theres also a hole here that needs sorting out:

 

 

Thats gonna be fun for access, I'm not sure how best to tackle it but I am gonna get some parts reattached before i chop owt else off!

 

I'm quite excited about this big-ass hoo flung dung Ford Galaxie radiator which I am gonna use as a replacement for the tired original. Cost £90 off eBay which seems like a mega bargain to me but I need to whizz it away up the street to the guy with the tig welding skills to have an extra pipe stub attached and modify the mounting points a little

 

 

I've been buying loads of nuts and bolts off eBay to replace the knackered ones I'm removing, its not supposed to be a nut & bolt resto but I dont want to invest lots of money and time in the box bit till I'm satisfied the cab is decent so i am probably going a bit further than is absolutely necessary.

 

Even though this is a big ugly bastard I have to admit to really liking it still. I cant wait for it to pass an MOT and for me to be able to drive it with a bit of confidence that I'm actually gonna complete my journey! (Thats not happened yet, the few journeys I've made I've been shitting myself that its going to knacker up) I think once i've finished mucking about with the metalwork, fitted a new rad and fanbelt, fettled all the lights, greased the kingpins and undersealed the inner arches I should have enough karma with it that I'll be up for taking it out for a spin just for fun.

 

Theres still a load of rot in the scuttle but I will get round to that eventually, I might need to take a week off work and blitz it (screen/dashboard out job) but that can wait till we're through an MOT and feeling a bit more optimistic about the future!

 

 

 

[sierraman]

Love seeing freshly repaired metal getting a good coat of paint. Satisfying work!

[busmansholiday]

You're taken on a mighty project, I wish you the best, but know eventually, it will be worth it.

[Arthur Foxhake]

I reckon the first 5 minutes of my time when I get to the yard to work on my 508 are spent looking at it thinking "oh crap, when will it ever end!"

Then after a cup of tea and the generator is running, I'm in the zone and ready to do battle.

Bit at a time man. It'll get there.

[DodgeRover]

I reckon the first 5 minutes of my time when I get to the yard to work on my 508 are spent looking at it thinking "oh crap, when will it ever end!"

Then after a cup of tea and the generator is running, I'm in the zone and ready to do battle.

Bit at a time man. It'll get there.

I really hope that's a diesel genny otherwise I think an LPG conversion on it will save you money before too long.

[LightBulbFun]

Alright gang, hows it going? I'm not on here much now as I am finding myself less and less inclined to interact with other humans generally, but I have been doing the odd bit on the truck now and then. Its sat on the drive looking friggin awful, but seeing as its the winter and I'm working 11-12 hour days I only actually see it in daylight 2 days a week so its tolerable for me.

 

Built a big table in my garage, converting it from a too-small-really garage into an indoor workshop for cleaning/repairing/making/fettling horsebox bits:

 

 

I'm basically just trying to work through the cab and get it into some sort of condition that will see it through an MOT and sufficiently well out of 'fucked' territory. Al Bundy did loads of welding on it, but his work really needs painting and sealing properly or its just gonna rot out again and be even worse than it was before. A lot of it is quite inaccessible so I have been dismantling a lot so I can access it and clean/seal paint it all semi-properly.

 

 

Heres the view out my garage door at the moment. Nice eh? I have basically just been removing stuff to access other stuff, which inevitably involves rusty bolts (mix of metric and imperial!!!) snapping off and removing stuff you really dont want to get involved in. I've removed the bumper, grille, radiator, headlights, screenwash bottle, bumper support beam, blower motor and some other bits. Its surprisingly difficult to dismantle, for example you are suposed to remove the brake servo to get the heater blower out - I got it out byy dismantling it in situ and removing the bits, snapping various bolts along the way.

 

 

Heres the RH inner wheelarch seen from the engine bay. Its all new metal so needed painting, ive cleaned it up as best I can, treated it all with jenolite and done 2 coats of red oxide primer as well.

 

 

Looks a bit better eh.

 

Bought a big tin of 'Oxford Blue' Tekaloid enamel, i plan to paint the whole thing with this eventually. Seems somehow very exciting to open the tin and see thie bright shiney blueness:

 

 

 

While I was on I tarted up the tin shields each side of the radiator:

 

 

 

Not even started on the other side yet:

 

 

Theres also a hole here that needs sorting out:

 

 

Thats gonna be fun for access, I'm not sure how best to tackle it but I am gonna get some parts reattached before i chop owt else off!

 

I'm quite excited about this big-ass hoo flung dung Ford Galaxie radiator which I am gonna use as a replacement for the tired original. Cost £90 off eBay which seems like a mega bargain to me but I need to whizz it away up the street to the guy with the tig welding skills to have an extra pipe stub attached and modify the mounting points a little

 

 

I've been buying loads of nuts and bolts off eBay to replace the knackered ones I'm removing, its not supposed to be a nut & bolt resto but I dont want to invest lots of money and time in the box bit till I'm satisfied the cab is decent so i am probably going a bit further than is absolutely necessary.

 

Even though this is a big ugly bastard I have to admit to really liking it still. I cant wait for it to pass an MOT and for me to be able to drive it with a bit of confidence that I'm actually gonna complete my journey! (Thats not happened yet, the few journeys I've made I've been shitting myself that its going to knacker up) I think once i've finished mucking about with the metalwork, fitted a new rad and fanbelt, fettled all the lights, greased the kingpins and undersealed the inner arches I should have enough karma with it that I'll be up for taking it out for a spin just for fun.

 

Theres still a load of rot in the scuttle but I will get round to that eventually, I might need to take a week off work and blitz it (screen/dashboard out job) but that can wait till we're through an MOT and feeling a bit more optimistic about the future!

 

im looking forward to seeing this being worked on and the out on the road theres a Dodge 50 that trundles around the estate from time to time, and I always think of your dodge 50 when I see it

 

im also curious how it would compare to Zels 208D? because thats the only van iv actually sat in

 

bonus like for the 6-8ft? GEC Europa over the table,   those are quite rare these days, they always played "2nd fiddle" to the Thorn Popular pack and the Fitzgerald LightPack

[Mr_Bo11ox]

Yo lightbulb, I would like to buy you a pint in celebration of your classic lightbulb knowledge, it always cheers me right up and cancels out a little my general disdain for humans. If you want my GEC Europa it's yours!!!

[SiC]

Is that piece of cardboard a scaled down template on what is going to be painted on the side?

[SiC]

Where did you get that paint from and how well does it go on? I'm just starting to look at paint for my 1100 and trying to decide which way to go.

[LightBulbFun]

Yo lightbulb, I would like to buy you a pint in celebration of your classic lightbulb knowledge, it always cheers me right up and cancels out a little my general disdain for humans. If you want my GEC Europa it's yours!!!

 

Thanks for the offer but I dont drink, I do however live off of drink an alarming amount of hot chocolate , like any true council estate resident I have one of those Over sized sports direct mugs, which is what I make it in, if only dollywobbler sold invacar mugs of that size id buy one in an instant 

 

as for the Europa sadly Derby is a bit far for me, but If I do happen to be down there I will take you up on the offer (as rarity aside im actually looking for a 6ft-8ft Fitting to install over my second "workbench") (you can fit an 8ft fluorescent fitting into an invacar right?  ) I am curious is your GEC Europa of the switch start type or the Starterless type? on that note, I noticed Dollywobbler has a Twin tube Crompton/Philips Streamlite (thats right Badge engineering even extends to lightbulbs and fittings) lighting his garage that I also wonder what type of gear its running (it always pleases me to see old reliable proper fittings still in use after 40+ years)

 

(Switch start are the type that Blink on and off a few times when you turn them on, starterless ones will just quickly fade in over about a second)

 

but cheers 

 

 

[vulgalour]

Horsebollox update AND Lightbulbfun trivia?  With this update we really are being spoiled!

[DodgeRover]

Where did you get that paint from and how well does it go on? I'm just starting to look at paint for my 1100 and trying to decide which way to go.

 

Ebay or any argicultural merchants/ tractor spares place, goes on well with a brush or spraygun

[vulgalour]

Can second that.

 

 

 

 

That was done with a brush, before flatting back and polishing.  I miss that stupid little car.

[AnthonyG]

That GEC mug is brilliant!

[Steve79]

Boll, what you need to complement the horsebox is this. All 5984cc perkins of it.

 

I've got major want for this!

 

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/559994857775422/

[Dick Cheeseburger]

Can second that.

 

I miss that stupid little car.

What became of it? Didn’t a member on here buy it and stick the standard bumpers back on?

[barrett]

Nice progress, just bear in mind you've only got until April to get it all done if you wanna piss off to Spain in it

 

Sorry

[wuvvum]

Boll, what you need to complement the horsebox is this. All 5984cc perkins of it.

 

I've got major want for this!

 

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/559994857775422/

Wow.  A 50 with a 6.354 is a pretty rare beast.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

Good evening to lovers of knackered old lorries across the web

 

Its probably time for an update on the Hor5€Bo110><. Progress is slow as, disappointingly, I'm doing a load of welding and i'm having to do it on the driveway!!! Look at my workspace now FFS

 

 

This is outside my kitchen window. I feel like I have turned my house into a friggin gyppo yard or something! As I am working outdoors, and its winter so theres little daylight, and I live on a street with lots of other people, available hours for hammering/grinding/welding are limited. Still, I'm scratching along with it. Whats been happening on it?

 

 

Bought a nice old WANNER grease gun off ebay for about £15. It was well bunged up with tarry stuff but eventually I got the hang of it and pumped a load of oil through it to clear it, then filled it with moly CV grease and pumped a load into the kingpins

 

 

I hope the kingpins are OK, I havent really tested em, I'm hoping a glug of fresh grease will get them over the line MOT-wise.

 

 

Made up a couple of brakets for holding the brake hoses, the old ones had rotted away to nothing!!

 

 

 

Got a few other bits too, new manifold gaskets direct from Perkins, new fanbelt etc, not fitted that lot yet though.

 

 

So the drivers side is 'done' metalwork wise, now its time to look at the passenger side. Although Al Bundy has been busy here, theres a hole down the back of the front panel:

 

 

Looks a right twat to get to that. Also:

 

 

This bit of the cab mount is a bit crispy-looking, i dont think its too clever TBH

 

I decided there was no real way to get to that hole without chopping the front panel away. Started by drilling out the spot welds on the headlight box:

 

 

 

chopped the front panel away:

 

 

 

Theres new stuff and old stuff here. Actually the rust has gone quite a lont way back and been repaired even before AB got involved - I've got to draw the line somewhere so I am going to 'work around' that and not get involved in it.

 

Getting it trimmed up now

 

 

This is a bit annoying. Looking up, you can see the remnants of the old inner arch in here. Its boxed in and theres no chance of getting to it to chop it out now though! Would have been easy to chop that out during the welding repairs but its tough luck now.

 

Starting to patch it up

 

OK now we're getting somewhere. Had to stitch in a new bit to the front of the chassis leg where it meets the inner wing:

 

Welding the front panel back in

 

Treated this with jenolite and painted the back of it before I reinstalled it

 

Refittig the headlamp box thingy

 

BOOM!!! No-one will ever know!!!

 

 

You'll probably see in that picture that i have chopped the cab mount off. Predictably it was rotten as a bastard. I saved Al Bundy's bumper mounting box:

 

Before:

 

After:

 

I kept Al Bundys home-made bumper mounting box:

 

That will live again! just got to sort out whats underneath. The cab mount is really weak - you can wobble it by hand now. I made a little film of it but Photobucket wont upload it.

 

Its mildly annoying to be doing this lot, but I should know by now, theres always 100% more rust than what you expect eh. I dont feel like Al B has done a lousy job or owt, its just got flipping loads of rust! Still at least i've got all my tools around me still and can actually sort it eh, even if its taking ages. Got 10 days break over Xmas so maybe I'll get a good couple of days in on it - if so the MOT should be achieved fairly soon after I think.

 

I was looking through this thread earlier and stumbled across this post from almost exactly 6 months ago:

 

I kind of want to build a house in it not piss about doing a 6-month weldfest so this is probably a bad choice

 

Le sigh....

[320touring]

Brilliant, well done, top work-more power to your elbow sir!

[mk2_craig]

That's looking great!! These old Dodge things must have been designed for a six year service life or something, it's a wonder any have made it this far.

[Snipes]

It's living on a farm and being pissed on by Cattle what gets 'em.

[spartacus]

Sterling job Bo11, it's never ideal doing that kind of work on an urban driveway but it's not going to be forever. It's just a shame the weather's so shit for that kind of thing, keep thinking of that Spanish sunshine though!