Mr_Bo11ox Posted October 4, 2018 Author Share Posted October 4, 2018 Had a poke about at this t'other night. Decided I'd start by opening up its face You can see where Al Bundy has been busy in here with the red oxide. My plan is to fix a little rust hole under the RH headlight, clean it allup and jenolite the bits of surface rust, seal the welding seams, and paint it in here. Just bought a big tin of Oxford Blue 'Tekaloid' paint which is what I plan to paint the whole thing with eventually, but this seems as good a place as any to start working through it. Headlamp lenses are both loose. These headlights are made from serious unobtanium now so I plan to just clean em up, tigerseal the lenses back on and reinstall. The Radiator is not great: I have found an aluminium one on the bay for a R50 Mini Cooper (!) that looks like it will fit quite well, but will need an extra pipe stub welding on. I think I'm gonna go for it but its £100 and I'm a bit skint so it'll have to wait a little while. Theyre 110bhp I think, so i reckon it will have enough heat dissipation even if it seems a bit odd to fit a Mini radiator on a lorry. This looks like a right bollock. The scuttle panel has got some bad rot in it still, we're looking upwards at it from the engine bay here. I think I can tackle this myself, but i might have to take the dash out to make a nice job of it. Luckily the Dodge only has about 10 wires so hopefully it will not be too horrific a job. Gratuitous interior pic for Zelandeth. You can see how much sound deadening there is on the bulkhead! It is great this thing, despite being a rotten old eyesore on my drive. I'm just gonna work my way through the lorry bit getting it ship shape before I do owt with the box on the back. I want to drive it about knowing that its 'ok' electrically and mechanically. Conrad D. Conelrad, Stevebrookman, Lacquer Peel and 26 others 29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobblers Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 You can get proper butyl headlight sealant "worms" off ebay, we use it when doing DRL repairs. It's non setting and makes a more proper job than tigerseal. Easier to work with when warm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandeth Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Wow that's ... fantastically crap sound deadening. No wonder it's loud! The Merc has about twenty times as much sound insulation. That's not even counting the 3/4" thick foam on the back of the engine cover. That scuttle panel looks about what mine would be if left unchecked for a few more years. Thankfully it's mostly still there in my case. Surprising how similar the rot spots seem to be... Does look like a nice proper large van/small lorry cab though. LightBulbFun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuvvum Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 The Dodge 50 does at least have some attempt at sound insulation on the engine cover. Its predecessor, the Commer Walkthrough, just had a single-skinned tin cover over the almost-as-noisy 4.236 engine. Now that really did make your ears ring after a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mally Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 I once painted an A60 van in Tekaloid Oxford blue.Looked good considering who painted it. sierraman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuvvum Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Bet it's not as loud as the 2.4td Vauxhall/Bedford Midi I had about 8 years ago. Feck me it was noisy. At 70mph any conversations that was one wished to have with passengers had to be shouted whilst the isuzu lump screamed it's arse off. This stress was then compounded by a column gear change which the driver operated on the scientific principle of ip dip bird shit. You were just as likely to engage 1st at 50mph as you were 5th! Hateful van! .... would buy another. Now browsing eBay:)Sounds like the one I had. The main issue it had on the motorway was that there was almost no discernible difference between 4th and 5th - shift into 5th at 60mph and you lost maybe 50rpm. Useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timewaster Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Helping a mate move house a few years ago, I got the borrowed Midi full of shed ramel to drive.The Midis owner was driving his newer transit. (He wasn't daft.) "Have you ever driven a column change before?" He asked me. "Once, ages ago" I replied. "Yeah?, Well you haven't driven one like this... The gears hide!" And with that he was gone. 1st, up to 10mph, 2nd, up to 25mph, 3rd, up to 35, 4th... Err... No, what about there?..Coast for a bit... no, how about....CRUNCH! No, must be here somewhere.... I'd now slowed to about 15mph. 2nd it is then. Repeat for 20 miles.... Matty, D Spares & Tyres, catsinthewelder and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainagain Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 I’ve got a brand new nrf radiator that has some of the fins bent by being mishandled, the part number on it is 2002026. Happy to offer shitters discount on it if it helps. rusty998 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve79 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Helping a mate move house a few years ago, I got the borrowed Midi full of shed ramel to drive.The Midis owner was driving his newer transit. (He wasn't daft.) "Have you ever driven a column change before?" He asked me. "Once, ages ago" I replied. "Yeah?, Well you haven't driven one like this... The gears hide!" And with that he was gone. 1st, up to 10mph, 2nd, up to 25mph, 3rd, up to 35, 4th... Err... No, what about there?..Coast for a bit... no, how about....CRUNCH! No, must be here somewhere.... I'd now slowed to about 15mph. 2nd it is then. Repeat for 20 miles....Exactly what mine was like, if I was lucky enough to find 4th I just left it there no matter what the speed as I never knew if I would find it again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Shame there as rare as rocking horse shite now. I feel I need to have a go in one, it sounds like the mark of a real drivers skills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat_the_cat Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 For the radiator, go for something that’s got similar bhp and you’ll be close enough. If the Dodge makes 70bhp (I’m guessing here, maybe you dream of that much and need 3 turbos to do it) then find a car with 80ish bhp and use that radiator. Try and find one with the same frontal area as the existing radiator and only go for a double row or triple row (depth) if you need to. I don't understand the logic to this - on one hand it makes sense as assuming the engines are of similar thermal efficiency, they will have to dissipate the same amount of heat per bhp generated. But in that case why does my 95bhp van have a massively bigger radiator (area and thickness) than a 95bhp motorbike? Is it just due to the likely amount of time spent under high load that the bike engine will be under compared with the van's? (I.e. the bike is under-cooled but it doesn't matter as you'll be off the throttle soon enough, or it'll be at silly enough speeds that the airflow is enough to compensate?) garethj, cobblers and SiC 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobblers Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Yeah, it's not really about the power of the engine, but the prolonged power it'll produce.A little hatchback with 100bhp will only a fraction of that for a short amount of time before getting up to speed, but a big old truck will run at full power for long periods of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Bo11ox Posted October 5, 2018 Author Share Posted October 5, 2018 I see the Photobucket site seems to have disappeared completely, I'm glad I didn't pay their demand for £500 or whatever it was! They have just had £20 off me though. Fuckers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgeRover Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 I see the Photobucket site seems to have disappeared completely, I'm glad I didn't pay their demand for £500 or whatever it was! They have just had £20 off me though. Fuckers.Chargeback if you paid by credit card for a service you didn't receive, did it when Ovo? Mobile went tits up a couple of years ago. HarmonicCheeseburger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Longbridge Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 I see the Photobucket site seems to have disappeared completely, I'm glad I didn't pay their demand for £500 or whatever it was! They have just had £20 off me though. Fuckers.I still can’t quite believe that photo bouquet went from a hugely successful formula with masses of users, to royally buggering most of said users with its overnight demands for large handfuls of groats, and ultimately ending its days as a penniless drunkard at the least desirable social club. Pillock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobblers Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 It was always dogshit, you could see from day one that they were bad news - I'm glad they're mostly gone but it's a damn shame so many good forum threads were caught in the crossfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiC Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 They've not updated their twitter in months. However their support site is still working here: https://support.photobucket.com/hc/en-us Maybe a DDoS attack from angry ex-users? somewhatfoolish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 I see the Photobucket site seems to have disappeared completely, I'm glad I didn't pay their demand for £500 or whatever it was! They have just had £20 off me though. Fuckers. Seems to be working here, I can see your pictures and get on the site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethj Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 Yeah, it's not really about the power of the engine, but the prolonged power it'll produce.A little hatchback with 100bhp will only a fraction of that for a short amount of time before getting up to speed, but a big old truck will run at full power for long periods of time.No, it’s not about how long it produces the power, when you’re designing a radiator (which I did for a few years) you design it for maximum power all the time. As I’m on my phone and multi quote is a pain, the basics are that the fuel energy goes into the engine and 1/3 is rejected to the coolant, 1/3 is spat out the exhaust leaving 1/3 to trundle you down the road. That’s where the calorific energy of your dinosaur juice goes. There are places where this shifts around of course, a diesel rejects less to coolant which is why they take longer to warm up in the morning and makers of modern diesels have to fit Webasto heaters or electric elements in the defroster vents to get the windscreen cleared quickly enough. But basically the rule is similar, if your engine makes 100bhp (or 75kw) then there’s another 75kw that the radiator has to get rid of. For the motorbike engine it’s down to the water pump speed compared to a car, the flow rate of water will be much faster than a car engine so the radiator can be smaller. Think of it like any other heat exchanger, if you’re trying to keep your computer CPU cool it’s a lot easier when the airflow is faster. Without a fan and only using heat slowly falling into the still air the heat transfer is rubbish. The other difference with a motorbike is they have to be kept light so the manufacturers spend a lot of money on the most efficient design of cooling fins and hang the expense. With a car or van it’s the other way around. mat_the_cat, The Moog, Jerzy Woking and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainagain Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Here's some more pics of the radiator I have if it's any use to you, feel free to make me a derisory offer Although I think it might be a big to small for you, that's it sitting in front of a doorway to give you an idea of size. A question for other shitters does anyone recognise what it's from as the part number on it doesn't seem to result in anything from googling it??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandeth Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 My first reaction to the question of what that's from would be Pug 306 I reckon... rainagain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Spares & Tyres Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 My first reaction to the question of what that's from would be Pug 306 I reckon...Yes it's definitely a PSA product of the late nineties, early 2000s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobblers Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Agreed, I was going to say saxo but it's not got the slots for the springy brackets on the top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainagain Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 If anyone wants this for not very much at all please let me know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobblers Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Actually on closer inspection it's for a 1100cc Saxo so I reckon you'd need about half a dozen of them to cool a dodge 50 being dragged up a hill with all bolloxs hardwood worktops, cast iron stove with stone hearth not to mention his massive collection of dream catchers and horseshoes. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CITROEN-SAXO-VTR-PEUGEOT-106-1-0-1-1-1-3-1-4-1-6-MANUAL-RADIATOR-1996-2004-NEW/132020531709?fits=Model%3ASaxo&hash=item1ebd0971fd:g:gJ8AAOSw0ThZpVE4:rk:1:pf:0 Rave, spartacus, egg and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Bo11ox Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 Ha! Yes I do have a lot of heavy Chakras and spirit animals and whatnot that I need to have with me at all times. I've seen this one on the bay, its winking at me: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/40MM-ALUMINIUM-RACE-RADIATOR-RAD-FOR-LAND-ROVER-FREELANDER-1-8-2-5-2-0-TDI-00-06/351973212346 Chinese alu radiator for a Freelander Mk1. It looks just about the perfect size in terms of height and width but the core is about half the thickness of the existing Dodge rad. These Freelanders come in 118hp pez, 120hp TD and 170hp V6 pez and must get used for a bit of towing so hopefully this will be up to the job although I am mildly worried that it will halve the flow rate round the water jacket which isnt going to help the cooling performance. I think I am still gonna give it a try though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuvvum Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 I think you should be OK - a Phaser 90 is slightly* less stressed and more thermally efficient than a KV6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2_craig Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Check out what does a tour of our housing estates and community centres every December!!! Might have started life as the dropside truck I photographed ages ago in Channel Island Chod. UltraWomble, D Spares & Tyres, egg and 10 others 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Dentressangle Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Why are the police after them? Stolen presents? HillmanImp, mk2_craig, colnerov and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pillock Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Rudy Rudolfless Seems a waste to just park that up for 51 weeks of the year. Hopefully it just gets used for commuting and popping to Lidl for a wholemeal loaf, tinned peaches, tic-tacs and stuff. cms206 and Dick Longbridge 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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