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[SRi05]

You'd like to think in 10 years electric cars will be a lot more affordable as the used market emerges for them 

[SiC]

But does it matter if they're not in 10yrs? Cars new now will be 10yrs old, 10yr old cars will be 20yrs old. Between the age that many on here have as daily drivers. Plenty of decent 5-10yr old petrol/diesel cars available now that will be available then.

When the last petrol/diesel cars sold in 2030, it'll be 2045 when they are 15 years old and start coming into our price bracket. Likewise petrol/diesel cars sold in 2025 will be still only 20 years old in 2045. 

That's 25 years off. By which point there will be plenty of cheap electric cars.

I'm in my mid 30s now, by that point I'll be 60yrs old and starting to think about retirement. 

[Jazoli]

51 minutes ago, SiC said:

What's the issue here? It's not banning petrol or diesel cars, just the sale of NEW ones. Going to be plenty of diesel and petrol cars still around for a good while longer. 

I agree, lots of misplaced ire and anger, over nothing really.

[Kiltox]

If you can’t/won’t/would never because OMG depreciation/whatever buy a new petrol car today, why are you worried about not being able to do so in 10 years time? There will still be plenty of old shitboxes around, asking prices might firm up a little mind. 🤦‍♂️ 

[Jazoli]

1 hour ago, sierraman said:

As you say it’s to force the working class off the road. They’ll have you either do that or finance yourself up to the bollocks 

Just how is it going to force you off the roads exactly? Do you buy brand new cars now then? 

[stripped fred]

22 minutes ago, SiC said:

But does it matter if they're not in 10yrs? Cars new now will be 10yrs old, 10yr old cars will be 20yrs old. Between the age that many on here have as daily drivers. Plenty of decent 5-10yr old petrol/diesel cars available now that will be available then.

When the last petrol/diesel cars sold in 2030, it'll be 2045 when they are 15 years old and start coming into our price bracket. Likewise petrol/diesel cars sold in 2025 will be still only 20 years old in 2045. 

That's 25 years off. By which point there will be plenty of cheap electric cars.

I'm in my mid 30s now, by that point I'll be 60yrs old and starting to think about retirement.

I agree, although road tax rates might affect this thinking. I can imagine diesels and petrols being taxed heavily. 

[Tadhg Tiogar]

Just now, stripped fred said:

I agree, although road tax rates might affect this thinking. I can imagine diesels and petrols being taxed heavily. 

Just need to hang on long enough for VED exemption, or look for a VED-exempt car if the prospect of electric cars is unattractive. 

[SiC]

1 hour ago, stripped fred said:

I agree, although road tax rates might affect this thinking. I can imagine diesels and petrols being taxed heavily. 

It could well happen but if you look at existing tax rates on older cars, there has been no big jump.

We're more likely to see heavier taxes on electric cars. Current taxing schemes don't cover them and there will be more of them on the roads than fuel based eventually. 

[KitKat]

I have no interest in new cars now, so whatever plastic apparitions they are selling in 2030 won't be of any interest to me then either. There will still be chod around for decades to come. There's just too many ICE cars on the planet to render them all redundant. 

Besides, won't surprise me in the slightest if between now and 2030 they sneak a total withdrawal from their commitment to the 2030 deadline under the radar. 

It's fundamentally an economic decision, not an environmental one.  If politicians were most concerned about the what's best for the environment,  they'd drastically reduce making new cars and encourage us to keep running the ICE cars we have.  Unfortunately smoking about in old chod just doesn't earning them enough TAX. 

[Stanky]

No government seems to expect to be in power beyond the next election, so they can say what they want about 2030 TBH, even if they are in power it won't be the same faces so they might as well say we'll all be driving micro-fusion skycars and living in space for all it matters. Its just headline grabbing drivvel with zero substance behind it.

[KitKat]

Just now, Stanky said:

No government seems to expect to be in power beyond the next election, so they can say what they want about 2030 TBH, even if they are in power it won't be the same faces so they might as well say we'll all be driving micro-fusion skycars and living in space for all it matters. Its just headline grabbing drivvel with zero substance behind it.

Never a truer word spoken . They're all two-faced spoilt Eton boys in it for themselves 

[Eyersey1234]

3 hours ago, leanycan said:

I don't understand it though. Likes of myself who rely on their car for a not so well payed job and need to travel. What do we do then? I don't have a lot of savings in the bank to buy a 10 year old car, let alone an electric car and don't earn anywhere near enough to finance a car and cope with all household bills whilst still having disposable income. Surely this has to be the time where we look to alternative fuels. 

The "go electric" rhetoric really annoys me. I like the idea of electric cars and I think there is a future for them but it is dissapointing to see that alternative fuels aren't even being considered. However, if history has taught us anything with batteries are not really reliable, constant need to be charged and plugged in all the time. There is the argument to say that ICE cars using diesel and petrol have the same problem, need to be filled up all the time and are expensive which I get.  

Are battery powered EV's any better? At my work we use lithium ion batteries to power to power some of the forklift trucks and ppt's we use. These trucks must be between 7-10 years old and according to a work colleague they have to replace them every 18-24 months as they are rubbish. Some of the batteries won't last a full 7 hours of use. 

In summary I just think this hasn't been thought through. Cars are a personal freedom for a lot of people, a lot of people rely on them to make them money. If people can no longer afford to do that, they either have to take public transport which is still expensive and doesn't always get you to where you need to be or on time. 

I just see it as a tactic to win over the environmentalist vote. It's really sad times we are living in. 

I agree 

[adw1977]

In any case, hybrids will not banned from sale in 2030, so it will still be possible to buy a new car with a petrol or diesel engine as long as it also has an electric motor.

[artdjones]

I wonder how the vast increase in generating capacity and the many millions of extra charging facilities would be provided?

[SiC]

435k before needing an engine change:

 

Owner selling because they couldn't be bothered to replace the clutch: (first one I came to)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284080374654

Loads of other examples of cars going to die because of minor faults, Etcetera. 

There are far more enough cars around to keep us going for a long time if people were prepared to fix existing vehicles. Admittedly UK is one of the worst for it - many/most people in other countries will repair rather than replace. 

[stripped fred]

I think it's just politics really. Headlines to divert us from other issues that they would rather not talk about...

[gm]

On 11/11/2020 at 1:58 PM, gm said:

This has been abandoned outside my place for a few days, no one seems to know who it belongs to (although I suspect the neighbours probably blamed me at first)

taxed and insured but the mot is a month out of date 

 

On 11/12/2020 at 5:22 PM, DVee8 said:

There is/was a blue Peugeot van parked where this parked,maybe he has bought the blue one and wants you to take that one.

it would appear that both vans do indeed belong to the same chap - who does live in our street - the ex gpo red one is apparently sold to one of his mates who will be picking it up soon...hmm, not convinced on that one  

[Cavcraft]

Thanks to a couple of mates, we've managed to get the boot open on the Merc. The jump point was indeed on the driver's side (I hadn't spotted it as didn't pull carpet back far enough) so with the aid of some jump leads and a spare battery, we pressed the fob and got into the back to change the battery. Put a spare (weedier) battery on for the short term until the one in it is charged. It still wasn't enough to fire it up, but with the aid of the boost pack it started first turn.

[Tadhg Tiogar]

3 hours ago, gm said:

 

it would appear that both vans do indeed belong to the same chap - who does live in our street - the ex gpo red one is apparently sold to one of his mates who will be picking it up soon...hmm, not convinced on that one  

...and were there parcels in the front seat?

[egg]

demand for taxi's evaporates.....yeah, that's why they're turning up on here!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54974425

[sierraman]

Those taxis will see service again, probably not in London but maybe Africa. A lot of them look like they’re reaching the end of their ‘service life’.

[stuboy]

Goes to show its not amount you spend its the sellers reputation... can fault this at all

[artdjones]

7 hours ago, SiC said:

435k before needing an engine change:

 

Owner selling because they couldn't be bothered to replace the clutch: (first one I came to)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284080374654

Loads of other examples of cars going to die because of minor faults, Etcetera. 

There are far more enough cars around to keep us going for a long time if people were prepared to fix existing vehicles. Admittedly UK is one of the worst for it - many/most people in other countries will repair rather than replace. 

The Galant would be a bit of a special case.  They are a bit unusual, slightly ungainly, not very economical. And that one needs £800 spending on clutch and flywheel and also has some body damage. So just at the spot where it would get abandoned, where a more popular car wouldn't.

Edit:

I didn't realise how unusual they are. Not one for sale on Auto Trader.

[gm]

3 hours ago, Tadhg Tiogar said:

...and were there parcels in the front seat?

Nothing so exciting , just some cardboard and rubbish  

[stuboy]

14 hours ago, egg said:

demand for taxi's evaporates.....yeah, that's why they're turning up on here!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54974425

sorry egg didnt see you posted this as i just posted link in other shite forum

[Tadhg Tiogar]

1 hour ago, gm said:

Nothing so exciting , just some cardboard and rubbish  

Pity. 

[davehedgehog31]

Filled the 107 up this morning.  35 litre tank, I put in 36 litres.

Cutting it fine then. 

[Tayne]

Of your petrol station has recalibrated the pumps in their favour, try filling a 5 litre jerrycan...

[davehedgehog31]

6 minutes ago, Tayne said:

Of your petrol station has recalibrated the pumps in their favour, try filling a 5 litre jerrycan...

Trust the Aberdonian to think of that 😂

[vulgalour]

We got our garage roof replaced just in time.  We opted to pay someone rather than DIY since we needed it done quickly and well.  Would have likely taken us at least a whole day, it took them 4 hours and the weather was bright and sunny for the entire job.  Fifteen year guarantee on it so hopefully we won't have to worry about it for at least that long.  They removed the bad beams, replaced and reinforced them, redid the pointing and reseated the capping tiles properly in addition to fitting a whole flat roof.  This was way more work than we could have easily done ourselves, going the paying-someone-else route was definitely the sensible one, especially since it's been absolutely chucking it down since the roof was fitted and the old one certainly wouldn't have survived it.

Means the Lanchester is nice and safe from the weather now, which was our biggest worry and the reason we got this done as quickly as possible.