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[Inspector Morose]

In years gone by, a good number of ex military stuff used commercially used to run unregistered with just a set of trade plates as a badge of legitimacy. The rules on this changed around the early 80s and everything that was still running got registered, usually with a Q plate. Some folks have since successfully re-registered stuff, as they passed into preservation, with an age related plate as long as they can prove its real age.

1976 is very early for a registration under these circumstances and going on the series used on this, I’d suspect that it was just re-registered with an age related plate with 76 being when the firm bought it back the second time? I’ve known AEC matadors - ex bus corporations with that series of registration and they would have been given this in the late 80s early 90s when the new private owners managed to prove its real age and get it off the Q they were registered in the 80s with.

 

[rml2345]

Could it have been in forestry/off road use at some point? They had a tendency to use AWD military kit and cobble stuff together from bits. 

Interesting bit of kit regardless. 

[Microwave]

1 minute ago, rml2345 said:

Could it have been in forestry/off road use at some point? They had a tendency to use AWD military kit and cobble stuff together from bits.

The company on it is “W. Wood Tree Felling”, so yes. Interesting to know.

[LightBulbFun]

9 hours ago, Microwave said:

If you put the reg into the DVLA website, it brings up the correct vehicle with the correct year of manufacture but it tells you that the date of first registration was June 1976. Can anyone help shed some light on this weird discrepancy? 

iv seen this happen when say you have an old car thats been off the road since before the DVLA was centralised

with it never being registered with the DVLA

then say you unearth it and want to register it with the DVLA, if you can prove the reg belongs to your car etc etc

then the DVLA will do so, but it will still say first registered wherever you did so with the DVLA rather then when it was made etc

see for example this Peel P50 that had been off the road since 1969 but in 2017 Stuart Cyphus got it registered with the DVLA and claimed its original registration number

 

what im not 100% sure on is if say you have such a vehicle, but do have the old logbook for it, i dont know if it will say Date of first registration, by what the old 1960s logbook says or if it will say date of first registration when you register it with the DVLA in say 2019 or whenever

 

 

the 1976 thing might also just be an artifact of when the DVLA system was centralised then or computerised

I have seen some Invacars with such dates ie Made in 1973 but date of first registration as 1978 or such

[Saabnut]

On the actual V5, it will say "Declared manufactured in 19??" in cases like this, though doubt anything will show online

[Tartan58]

When a vehicle has it's original number transferred the DVLA will generally issue an age related plate from unissued stock, usually some remote part of Scotland as not many car were registered there. In this case SJ code is the Isle of Bute in origin.

Presume the same applies when an ex-military vehicle is registered for road use or a vehicle is imported.

SK is another common one being Caithness, look around any show and you'll see them everywhere including some pretty exotic stuff.

 

[Supernaut]

Some quality spotting at Turriff Show today.

 

This last one stumped me. I know of the Volvo VNL series of long-nose trucks, but this is older. What is it?

 

[willswitchengage]

It could be a custom bonneted conversion. The US-market VNs share some styling features with the EUropean models but the cabs are fundamentally a different design.  That looks like it's a modified FM/FH cab, similar to how this is made:

If it was a US market truck it would most likely have the 6x4 driveline too, only small distribution type trucks without sleeper cabs are 4x2. RHD also and Australia is the only other big Volvo RHD market - and they get sold European models.

[Supernaut]

I've heard of the DAF XT but... fucking hell I didn't realise how hideous it was!

[willswitchengage]

I understand it was a one off built by a local coachbuilder/haulage firm just for shits and giggles.

IVECOs made their own bonneted truck for the Australian market, they didn't put much effort in though.

There are a couple of other lazy OEM bonneted conversions that I know of:

Freightliner FL using an old Mercedes-Benz cab

Hino somethingorother using a 500 series cab

[17-Coffees]

Big engine is big...

I actually forget just how tall they are. When packed under the cab and in the chassis you loose perspective of how tall it is. And I service them daily!

PS - I blanked out the company name, if you know who it is please don't say out aloud! Thanks. 

[martc]

[sutty2006]

20 hours ago, 17-Coffees said:

Big engine is big...

I actually forget just how tall they are. When packed under the cab and in the chassis you loose perspective of how tall it is. And I service them daily!

PS - I blanked out the company name, if you know who it is please don't say out aloud! Thanks. 

We’ve got a scrap one of them V6 engines in the yard at work. I did consider turning into a coffee table but I’d need a bigger house. 

[quicksilver]

On 8/4/2019 at 6:28 PM, Supernaut said:

This last one stumped me. I know of the Volvo VNL series of long-nose trucks, but this is older. What is it?

 

I think that might be an NH12, the European normal-control version of the FH series.

[martc]

To my eyes the forward control Magirus Deutz looks similar to the Leyland Landtrain I posted above. The others just look ace.

[Shep Shepherd]

34 minutes ago, quicksilver said:

I think that might be an NH12, the European normal-control version of the FH series.

Looks like a RHD (Australian?) example of the Volvo 'big rig' which is popular in the States and Canada.

Pawnote: for the past week and a bit, I've been driving a  2015 Volvo FM 330 flatbed (due to landing a new job with a steel stockholder which is a nine minute drive from home), which is a very nice truck indeed. I get my own truck from tomorrow, which will most likely be a DAF CF, as DAFs outnumber Volvos on my company's fleet by a fair margin.

[bramz7]

If you were in Italy you'd probably be able to see one of each of those vintage Ivecos if you had a few days in the small towns down south. 

[bramz7]

Suppose this would be a good time to post photos of various old trucks I have seen....

 

 

[twosmoke300]

That merc tanker looks just like the colour scheme of a Cornish fuel / oil company 

[cort1977]

Any northeast Scotland shiters know anything about the Tarland truck show? Is it a good day out for families and those with only a modest interest in trucks? 

[dozeydustman]

On 7/12/2019 at 9:32 PM, doug said:

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A Shelvoke P-series carrying a Shelvoke W-type with F&A tip body towing a Series 1 Freighter.

The Shelvoke P cab was shared with the Dennis Delta - both S&D & Hestair Dennis commissioned Ogle to design a cab for their new chassis and were sent the same basic design. Front panel and door windows were about the only major difference.

[Pillock]

On 7/11/2019 at 4:59 PM, busmansholiday said:

Quite an impressive landmark now just north of J24

It also has headlights on at night

Walkers used to be about a mile up the road from me but they outgrew their yard, that place has been taken over by another ex-fleet truck dealer. At least Walkers used to occasionally have some random ex-military stuff that they'd park against the fence for a bit of interest, the new one is just lines and lines of ex-Stobart Scanias etc.

[willswitchengage]

Another from the Malta trucks Facebook group. World's smallest 8*4?

[sutty2006]

When you’re inspecting a rigid and the drivers been happy with a permanent marker pen 

[Snipes]

11 hours ago, willswitchengage said:

Another from the Malta trucks Facebook group. World's smallest 8*4?

That is awesome! 

 

I recently saw a scaffold lorry that was utterly normal until I spotted the bin lorry style cab with integrated beacons. I think it's a Dennis eagle? Made me wonder why I don't see them more often?

[willswitchengage]

6 hours ago, Snipes said:

I recently saw a scaffold lorry that was utterly normal until I spotted the bin lorry style cab with integrated beacons. I think it's a Dennis eagle? Made me wonder why I don't see them more often?

In London especially those 'high visibility' low entry cabs are becoming more common for stuff other than bin lorries. They all seem to be the Merc Econics though as opposed to the Dennis Elite things.

Dennis does export though, I saw a truck carrying Renault-badged Dennis bin lorries on the ferry recently heading to France.

[cms206]

New job... some of our shunters.

We're supposed to have allocated units but so far I've had all of these bar the DAF XF; this week I've had (and broken) both Scanias, one of the Volvo FLs and a Volvo FM road unit. Last night of the week tonight, hoping for L478 back if they've sorted it.

[quicksilver]

Those are some tidy shunters - nothing missing, broken or fixed with gaffer tape. I've seen road lorries in a far worse state than those.

[cms206]

1 hour ago, quicksilver said:

Those are some tidy shunters - nothing missing, broken or fixed with gaffer tape. I've seen road lorries in a far worse state than those.

The FLs are all not in bad order though 97 is a bit of a pig to drive; the Scanias are less suited to the shunting IMO but they're a decent steer and they're leagues ahead to drive. 117 is the oldest of the FLs (H892 HSJ), with 98 and 99 (J183 JYS, J879 JNS) and 97 (N191 JGG) following. Scania 470 has lost it's plates but is the former T428 KJV, while 478 is T452 TTW.

[warch]

Some semi derelict trucks in the yard next to my house. I also saw a nice D reg Foden (was driving so couldn't snap it) still in work near Loggerheads on the Shropshire/Staffs border. It did sound really lovely, very fruity burble.