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One rough and ready scanner session later....

 

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And lastly, added not for the quality of shot but for the levels of chod around

 

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Top photo, second from left is one of the ex SYT ECW bodied Fleetlines, another rare breed, one surviving.

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I wonder how many GM or Mayne of Manchester have survived?

Not that many. Some of the earlier stuff survives (at least one of their Regent V) but with the modern stuff they were mostly second hand so those that still exist have been restored in their original owners colours.

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what the resonating cooked cow between 2 bits of bread said :)

 

I thoroughly enjoyed the video :) to quote busmansholiday, will it do smiths MPH?  :mrgreen:

 

is the reasoning for pausing between gear shifts, is to let air pressure build back up in the system or is it something else?

 

also out of curiosity if you dont mind me asking, how did insurance work out?

 

from what iv read (in this very thread I think :) ), while you can drive a 30+ year old buses on a normal licence etc, practically no one will insure you

 

or does this just fall under your "can drive other peoples "cars" 3rd party only" thing?

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Wow, I didn't know Ian was an 'influencer'! I remember almost ten years ago on the BX Forum or maybe here when you were discussing trying to break into indy-journalism, looks like it's worked out. Top job.

 

In more boring news I think Reading have de-hybridised some of their Dennis doublet deckers as they've removed all the fancy green branding and they sound very different. In the BAE system I think it's a fairly simple job, as their hybridrive was packaged as a gearbox anyway, so kept the angle drive to the axle etc.

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Just been catching up on this thread...

 

First off: Ian. Driven like an absolute professional, perfect timing on the gear changes. While a pause IS necessary it's needs be no longer than it takes to rev match. One of the three Nationals I owned more or less demanded flat changes 'cos the exhausters in the gearbox were fucked and another slipped like a bastard if you were too quick 3rd>4th and 4th>5th.

 

 

Secondly: It is well known of my dislike of Routemasters but on the other side of that coin I absolutely adore DM and DMS Fleetlines; I've driven probably a dozen Fleetlines and the one thing that a DM/DMS does REALLY well is not drive like a Fleetline. They're a really beautiful bus to drive.

 

Thirdly: The National 2 Ian refers to in his video was one of mine back in the days when I dabbled in such things. Sadly joint ownership didn't work out (it rarely does - don't do buses, kids) but there are plenty videos of it on YouTube. Here is one of them, a drivepast with me at the helm.

 

https://youtu.be/m-Qp51rEb5I

 

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Just been catching up on this thread...

 

First off: Ian. Driven like an absolute professional, perfect timing on the gear changes. While a pause IS necessary it's needs be no longer than it takes to rev match. One of the three Nationals I owned more or less demanded flat changes 'cos the exhausters in the gearbox were fucked and another slipped like a bastard if you were too quick 3rd>4th and 4th>5th.

 

 

Secondly: It is well known of my dislike of Routemasters but on the other side of that coin I absolutely adore DM and DMS Fleetlines; I've driven probably a dozen Fleetlines and the one thing that a DM/DMS does REALLY well is not drive like a Fleetline. They're a really beautiful bus to drive.

 

Thirdly: The National 2 Ian refers to in his video was one of mine back in the days when I dabbled in such things. Sadly joint ownership didn't work out (it rarely does - don't do buses, kids) but there are plenty videos of it on YouTube. Here is one of them, a drivepast with me at the helm.

 

https://youtu.be/m-Qp51rEb5I

 

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Ooh, that is a proper noise. I rather regret not getting any drive-past footage of the one I drove. Thanks for the gear compliments. It was a real head-messer with the right-hand change, and having to take time and driving a friggin' bus AND trying to record a video. I don't think I'd anticipated just how tricky all of that would be, even though I've driven buses (on private land) before. Guess with the gearchange, years of studying drivers as a child paid off! In Birmingham at least, most drivers did seem to use the 'pause' rather than 'slam' method.

 

 

is the reasoning for pausing between gear shifts, is to let air pressure build back up in the system or is it something else?

 

also out of curiosity if you dont mind me asking, how did insurance work out?

 

from what iv read (in this very thread I think :) ), while you can drive a 30+ year old buses on a normal licence etc, practically no one will insure you

 

or does this just fall under your "can drive other peoples "cars" 3rd party only" thing?

 

The pause is to make life easier for the gearbox. The closer the rev matching, the easier it is for the gearbox. 

 

His insurer seems ok with non-PSV drivers. As you say, many are not. Don't think my third party cover would stretch to a bus!

 

I should also add that the the National I drove was very HubNut. It was a bit of a shed! I really liked it though. It drove well.

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Ooh, that is a proper noise. I rather regret not getting any drive-past footage of the one I drove. Thanks for the gear compliments. It was a real head-messer with the right-hand change, and having to take time and driving a friggin' bus AND trying to record a video. I don't think I'd anticipated just how tricky all of that would be, even though I've driven buses (on private land) before. Guess with the gearchange, years of studying drivers as a child paid off! In Birmingham at least, most drivers did seem to use the 'pause' rather than 'slam' method.

 

 

The pause is to make life easier for the gearbox. The closer the rev matching, the easier it is for the gearbox.

 

His insurer seems ok with non-PSV drivers. As you say, many are not. Don't think my third party cover would stretch to a bus!

 

I should also add that the the National I drove was very HubNut. It was a bit of a shed! I really liked it though. It drove well.

Mr FPB7 will be no doubt be along shortly with the finer points of the National, but it was all done in the name of ergonomics; not that it always worked on buses, for example when Western Scottish acquired a number of National 2s they were converted to left hand gearchange mounted on a pedestal in the cab as that is what drivers preferred on a predominantly Leopard fleet.

 

Also a real mindfuck is the first time you drive a Y-type Leopard as the controls are quite literally everywhere. Handbrake by your right buttock, door controls at your left buttock, gearchange on a column by your left knee, indicators mounted by the drivers window, the rest of the controls wherever they fitted in.

 

 

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Just been catching up on this thread...

 

First off: Ian. Driven like an absolute professional, perfect timing on the gear changes. While a pause IS necessary it's needs be no longer than it takes to rev match. One of the three Nationals I owned more or less demanded flat changes 'cos the exhausters in the gearbox were fucked and another slipped like a bastard if you were too quick 3rd>4th and 4th>5th.

 

 

Secondly: It is well known of my dislike of Routemasters but on the other side of that coin I absolutely adore DM and DMS Fleetlines; I've driven probably a dozen Fleetlines and the one thing that a DM/DMS does REALLY well is not drive like a Fleetline. They're a really beautiful bus to drive.

 

Thirdly: The National 2 Ian refers to in his video was one of mine back in the days when I dabbled in such things. Sadly joint ownership didn't work out (it rarely does - don't do buses, kids) but there are plenty videos of it on YouTube. Here is one of them, a drivepast with me at the helm.

 

https://youtu.be/m-Qp51rEb5I

 

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Narrowly avoiding a collision with J Bell esq at around 20secs there

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Mr FPB7 will be no doubt be along shortly with the finer points of the National, but it was all done in the name of ergonomics; not that it always worked on buses, for example when Western Scottish acquired a number of National 2s they were converted to left hand gearchange mounted on a pedestal in the cab as that is what drivers preferred on a predominantly Leopard fleet.

Also a real mindfuck is the first time you drive a Y-type Leopard as the controls are quite literally everywhere. Handbrake by your right buttock, door controls at your left buttock, gearchange on a column by your left knee, indicators mounted by the drivers window, the rest of the controls wherever they fitted in.

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Mr FPB7 is in France nicking WiFi at cite Europe so just take it as read that you have all been informed about the nuances of the National in all of its forms.

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I grew up in the village of Speen 5 miles outside High Wycombe, Bucks and used the local red bus to High Wycombe from time to time. First I remember was the AEC Regal, which was a bit bumpy. Then they got Britstol REs which seemed to ride better. Then L reg Leyland Nationals appeared, they made me feel travel sick. 

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Not many photos of it yet but there is a new Brexit bus, which I think is the Leave Means Leave bus with a new lick of paint. The original was widely lambasted for being made in Germany and Poland - the new one is a B7TL. Weren't the first of these made in Irvine before it shut then the remainder made in Sweden?

 

Looks a lot the like NX Coventry livery to me!

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A decent bus for both shifts today, Bloxwich High Street waiting time this morning.

 

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Blakenall Church terminus this afternoon.

 

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Still some in the old livery :) I was in Aldridge today with the Museum's BCT Leyland PD2 2222 and was able to get a shot of WMT ALX 400 4603 in that livery and also a unique shot of 2222 and ALX 400 4601 in the Walsall Heritage Livery together. Unfortunately my camera and computer are no longer talking to each other, but until I can get them to do so again the latter event can be seen on the AMRTM  Facebook page and the PD2 at our Spring Running Event tomorrow.

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I'm fairly sure I saw this LHD AEC Regal (or something similar) on the M25 the other week.

 

It had some sort of homemade rear door and was signwritten for some sort of Portugese thing.

 

Any ideas?

 

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that image makes my brain hurt....

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