Price of LPG

[lisbon_road]

It looks like mfg have decided to destroy what little is left of the market for LPG down South.  This is the Wallisdown BP station, £1.29 a litre.  That's a ludicrous price, as it makes it more expensive to run than petrol.  I know the price of LPG itself will vary a lot but I can't imagine it has gone up so much, as there's hardly any tax on it.

Also, I don't relish paying tax any more than anyone else, but I'd rather pay tax on petrol than shovel money into the forecourt industry.

Does seem a shame.  I really believe that it is cleaner than many of the alternatives.  

[Sir Chocolate Teapot]

My fill up place near reading was £0.99 about a month ago.

 

[lisbon_road]

39 minutes ago, Sir Chocolate Teapot said:

My fill up place near reading was £0.99 about a month ago.

 

May I ask where that is?  The Shell garage at Shinfield was 99p up to recently.  I find the cheapest is the Shell garage in Fleet for round here, well under £1.  

[yes oui si]

79p here, even Morrisons is 99p.

[500tops]

Last week the Shell garage by Newton Abbot Trago Mills was 89.9

[bangernomics]

I gave up on it when it hit 60p a litre.

[Bradders59]

Me too. 

[warch]

I liked the Astra Dual fuel they did as a factory model, can’t remember any other manufacturers taking advantage. 
 

My main experience was of seeing too many lethal looking home fitted conversions of Land Rovers and Range Rovers including one where what I took to be a fuel pipe had been inserted through a hole drilled in the air cleaner elbow and secured with what looked like window putty. 
 

[Metal Guru]

I remember it always used to be just under half the price of petrol, but noticed it over a pound compared to about £1.40 for petrol , so it’s crept up to roundabout 75%. I’m guessing the suppliers don’t see a market with EVs taking over.

[warch]

I think has become more expensive as a substitute for LNG during recent shortages. Plus it must be quite niche as an automotive fuel type. I can’t even find E5 at most stations where I live.

[warren t claim]

4 hours ago, 500tops said:

Last week the Shell garage by Newton Abbot Trago Mills was 89.9

Trago Mills is a UKIP theme park. You still buy fuel by the gallon there.

[somewhatfoolish]

4 hours ago, warch said:

I liked the Astra Dual fuel they did as a factory model, can’t remember any other manufacturers taking advantage. 
 

My main experience was of seeing too many lethal looking home fitted conversions of Land Rovers and Range Rovers including one where what I took to be a fuel pipe had been inserted through a hole drilled in the air cleaner elbow and secured with what looked like window putty. 
 

Volvo offered dual/LPG for a while, as did LDV while they were still flogging warmed-over sherpas.

[Sir Chocolate Teapot]

10 hours ago, lisbon_road said:

May I ask where that is?  The Shell garage at Shinfield was 99p up to recently.  I find the cheapest is the Shell garage in Fleet for round here, well under £1.  

Long moor farm

Park lane

Finchampstead 

Rg40 4pt

01189762477

They fill cars

Give them a call first to check they have some.

[DodgeRover]

MFG are abusing their monopoly position, wholesale LPG prices haven't risen, Carvers gases can run their own tanker doing 2 trips a week to Southampton to the Midlands and retail it fully tax paid at 67p, they are looking for people on route who are interested in using them for gas or possibly a franchise.

On a positive note you can get a 45kg (96l) bottle for under £80 and pumps to transfer are available. 

Please feel free to complain about price fixing, monopoly abuse by both MFG and their supplier to the CMA

I can post a link to do it online if needed, they have already had a go at Flogas/ Calor once so I'm sure they would like to get their teeth in again.

[Stinkwheel]

On 09/09/2024 at 22:06, warch said:

I liked the Astra Dual fuel they did as a factory model, can’t remember any other manufacturers taking advantage. 
 

My main experience was of seeing too many lethal looking home fitted conversions of Land Rovers and Range Rovers including one where what I took to be a fuel pipe had been inserted through a hole drilled in the air cleaner elbow and secured with what looked like window putty. 
 

Citroen did dual fuel Xantias and early berlingos, doubt there are many left out there now though

[warninglight]

I've been following the reports of this 129.9 rolling out across the country. I haven't run anything on LPG since selling my L322 in 2017. I was looking at LPG'd ones again a few weeks ago but the filling options at any price are more limited than ever. Where we are is perfect for a home fill tank but I was quoted £15k+VAT for one.

Dacia currently sell dual fuel new cars. I noticed the Duster company cars of a firm I visited in West Cumbria a few months ago were all dual fuel Dusters. The nearest LPG forecourt to there is an hour's drive in any direction, and their patch is the 'energy coast' so I doubt any of them have ever run on it.

[dome]

I don't normally look in here as it's massive binfire generally, this post would be worth moving to the general forum I'd say?

I still have my Heep on lpg but it does very few miles. Going forward those miles will be on petrol as Morrisons was my main supplier around here. Cunts

[Urko]

https://www.dacia.co.uk/dacia-lpg.html

[DodgeRover]

10 minutes ago, Urko said:

https://www.dacia.co.uk/dacia-lpg.html

Dacia were (part of) the cause of the Sainsbury's chain withdrawing from the UK LPG market. They still a vehicle which wouldn't get approved as a conversion as it needs an adaptor to fill from a UK pump. The adaptors have caused all sorts of problems including regular pump damage, Sainsbury's had a sign saying use of adaptors is prohibited - apparently something their insurers insisted on, but Dacia owners are special so the rules didn't apply to them so decided to take it out on the staff when they were refused. 

For the sake of a £10 filler connection they have caused no end of grief.

[Urko]

1 minute ago, DodgeRover said:

Dacia were (part of) the cause of the Sainsbury's chain withdrawing from the UK LPG market. They still a vehicle which wouldn't get approved as a conversion as it needs an adaptor to fill from a UK pump. The adaptors have caused all sorts of problems including regular pump damage, Sainsbury's had a sign saying use of adaptors is prohibited - apparently something their insurers insisted on, but Dacia owners are special so the rules didn't apply to them so decided to take it out on the staff when they were refused. 

For the sake of a £10 filler connection they have caused no end of grief.

Interesting - I had no idea.

[lisbon_road]

10 hours ago, warninglight said:

I've been following the reports of this 129.9 rolling out across the country. I haven't run anything on LPG since selling my L322 in 2017. I was looking at LPG'd ones again a few weeks ago but the filling options at any price are more limited than ever. Where we are is perfect for a home fill tank but I was quoted £15k+VAT for one.

Dacia currently sell dual fuel new cars. I noticed the Duster company cars of a firm I visited in West Cumbria a few months ago were all dual fuel Dusters. The nearest LPG forecourt to there is an hour's drive in any direction, and their patch is the 'energy coast' so I doubt any of them have ever run on it.

I did the original post and I have just seen two garages at £1.29, just so happens they are two of my regulars.  Not sure about it rolling out but West Wellow I think is £1.15 now which is less but still insane.  Thankfully the Sholing garage is still £0.99 and they are an independent garage and committed to it for as long as possible - told me they've recently invested in a new pump.

I just think it is very sad that this is declining so fast.  I honestly believe that it is cleaner but such stuff is beyond our politicians.

21 hours ago, DodgeRover said:

On a positive note you can get a 45kg (96l) bottle for under £80 and pumps to transfer are available. 

Please feel free to complain about price fixing, monopoly abuse by both MFG and their supplier to the CMA

I can post a link to do it online if needed, they have already had a go at Flogas/ Calor once so I'm sure they would like to get their teeth in again.

Please do post that link.  And any information about pumps would be interesting, though I'm not sure I can be done with it.

 

[grogee]

Wow I came close to biting the bullet on an LPG'd shiter and considered converting my Legend. I'm really glad I didn't now. 

I think at the back of my mind I always suspected this would happen, and/or someone in Whitehall would pipe up and say "I've found a £50m per annum tax stream". 

I bet they don't even know what it is, sales must be tiny now. 

[lisbon_road]

21 minutes ago, grogee said:

Wow I came close to biting the bullet on an LPG'd shiter and considered converting my Legend. I'm really glad I didn't now. 

I think at the back of my mind I always suspected this would happen, and/or someone in Whitehall would pipe up and say "I've found a £50m per annum tax stream". 

I bet they don't even know what it is, sales must be tiny now. 

The way to buy them is already converted.  That's been the way for a while, my wife's Zafira came with a bill for £2000 for conversion but we paid the same price as an unconverted one.

Actually the tax hasn't gone up.  Recent events are all about opportunists, and while I think the government could have done more to encourage it, a lot is down to the general public not taking advantage of it.  And stuff like our culture of buying on finance where there's no modifications allowed.

[somewhatfoolish]

11 hours ago, warninglight said:

Where we are is perfect for a home fill tank but I was quoted £15k+VAT for one.

That's pretty ridiculous given they manage to rent tanks to people for a few hundred a year. The tank will be the same, the only difference is for vehicles it will need a liquid outlet. 

[pilninggas]

I saw was £1.30 at Morrisons Cribbs Causeway yesterday.

I removed the Duster's aftermarket conversion ] earlier this year as the tank has some pretty bad/deep corrosion and it was becoming less viable [90p/l]

It was good but the best times for me was late 90s/early 00s when it was 18p litre at Asda and UL was 95p a litre. It had a good run.

 

Still worth it if you drive a lot to east or southern europe...

[pilninggas]

2 hours ago, DodgeRover said:

Dacia were (part of) the cause of the Sainsbury's chain withdrawing from the UK LPG market. They still a vehicle which wouldn't get approved as a conversion as it needs an adaptor to fill from a UK pump. The adaptors have caused all sorts of problems including regular pump damage, Sainsbury's had a sign saying use of adaptors is prohibited - apparently something their insurers insisted on, but Dacia owners are special so the rules didn't apply to them so decided to take it out on the staff when they were refused. 

For the sake of a £10 filler connection they have caused no end of grief.

I didn't know that.

I thought UKLPG's code of practice specified the UK/dutch bayonet and the other connectors could not go on the reg. 

[DodgeRover]

1 hour ago, pilninggas said:

I didn't know that.

I thought UKLPG's code of practice specified the UK/dutch bayonet and the other connectors could not go on the reg. 

Doesn't apply to new vehicles which is how they justify it!

[DodgeRover]

2 hours ago, lisbon_road said:

I did the original post and I have just seen two garages at £1.29, just so happens they are two of my regulars.  Not sure about it rolling out but West Wellow I think is £1.15 now which is less but still insane.  Thankfully the Sholing garage is still £0.99 and they are an independent garage and committed to it for as long as possible - told me they've recently invested in a new pump.

I just think it is very sad that this is declining so fast.  I honestly believe that it is cleaner but such stuff is beyond our politicians.

Please do post that link.  And any information about pumps would be interesting, though I'm not sure I can be done with it.

 

If you Google search Simon LPGC his conversion company should come up, just email him for details on the pumps, I'm not sure if he has them on his website 

[DodgeRover]

2 hours ago, grogee said:

I bet they don't even know what it is, sales must be tiny now. 

The cheap local station did 2500l in 2 days. Ironically MFG are claiming their supplier is charging them extra because they need their tanks refilling so often...

Woodall services say they need their tank usually filling weekly.

LPG is massive in the Birmingham area, loads of LPG only stations open 24/7, the one I went into had 5 pumps all in use with people queuing, 68ppl obviously appeals.

[chaseracer]

On 12/09/2024 at 11:09, dome said:

I don't normally look in here as it's massive binfire generally, this post would be worth moving to the general forum I'd say?

Shore thang.