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I suspect my answer to this sums up The Problems With This Country perfectly...
No, I won't change car, because I can't afford to.
However, there is one easy way I can mitigate the fuel cost increase: charge more for my work. This is going to hit customers, who by and large are Normal People just trying to make ends meet. I don't like it, but fuck it, with fuel and materials at sky high prices I've got to make a living.
Well this is exactly the issue. Tradies/self employed/large companies etc. Are all increasing their prices and wages aren't unless you're switching. Inevitably this ends up with consumers unable to pay, companies losing money, companies going out of business, people losing jobs, economies on its arse and the sad truth is a horrendous number of deaths from poverty in the form of suicides and I'll health brought on buy stress, old folk not being able to heat their homes etc. What a horrendous prospect.
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There would however become a point where people say NO, and begin to only use the car sparingly, so demand plummets and so does price. For that reason I don't think the only way is up from this point, it should hopefully stop and the bubble burst at some point
I think by the point that people are reducing how much they are driving, to the point where there is a surplus of fuel, the damage is done.
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1 minute ago, DirtyDaily said:
4 minutes ago, djoptix said:
I suspect my answer to this sums up The Problems With This Country perfectly...
No, I won't change car, because I can't afford to.
However, there is one easy way I can mitigate the fuel cost increase: charge more for my work. This is going to hit customers, who by and large are Normal People just trying to make ends meet. I don't like it, but fuck it, with fuel and materials at sky high prices I've got to make a living.

Well this is exactly the issue. Tradies/self employed/large companies etc. Are all increasing their prices and wages aren't unless you're switching. Inevitably this ends up with consumers unable to pay, companies losing money, companies going out of business, people losing jobs, economies on its arse and the sad truth is a horrendous number of deaths from poverty in the form of suicides and I'll health brought on buy stress, old folk not being able to heat their homes etc. What a horrendous prospect.

No pay rise unless of course you're one of the "hard workers" in Westminster whose jobs have become a lot harder in the last couple of years (!!!!!!) :( :( 

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No pay rise unless of course you're one of the "hard workers" in Westminster whose jobs have become a lot harder in the last couple of years (!!!!!!)   
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3 minutes ago, RoverFolkUs said:
There would however become a point where people say NO, and begin to only use the car sparingly, so demand plummets and so does price. For that reason I don't think the only way is up from this point, it should hopefully stop and the bubble burst at some point

I think by the point that people are reducing how much they are driving, to the point where there is a surplus of fuel, the damage is done.

Yes true, it wouldn't suddenly revert to how things were as people will have become aware of how little they actually need a car

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Yes true, it wouldn't suddenly revert to how things were as people will have become aware of how little they actually need a car


I do agree there is a huge proportion of people who drives completely unnecessarily. However there are a lot of people who ultimately drive as much as they need to and no more. Its those guys who will feel this pinch the harshest.
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Mine averages about 25mpg but I do such a low mileage that even when unleaded breaks the £2/litre barrier I'll only be spending another £3-400 a year on juice which I can cope with. It's everything else going up between 25 and 100% that bothers me.

Brexit, Covid and now WW3, we're not even seeing the start of it yet.

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Think I'll top up the Fab and the Duster tomorrow before this gets even further out of hand.

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5 minutes ago, DirtyDaily said:


 

 


I do agree there is a huge proportion of people who drives completely unnecessarily. However there are a lot of people who ultimately drive as much as they need to and no more. Its those guys who will feel this pinch the harshest.

 

Absolutely

 

Side note, my preferred local station was out of fuel last week, I was very surprised by this as I had expected the local "news" to have announced such a "crisis"!

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I was thinking today, are we about to see pre DPF diesels commanding a premium?

There's not enough operable stock left for the population to start living life on the veg.

This might help some people. If you have a nectar card, you can trade 300 points for 5p off per litre if you pay using the Esso app

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I think my 2.0l Corona got done just in time to be the new fuel sipper daily. In reality I don't think it'll make much of a difference with no daily commute though.

Alternatively the Caprice has an LPG system, which might get the running costs of the 5.0l V8 down to about those of the Toyota...

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I’ve been actively discouraging friends and family (and anybody that asks) from buying diesels over the last 10 years. I’ve not done the sums but given the ££££ for an EV, I’m beginning to wonder if diesel might be worth the added risk now for an 8k+/yr user.

LPG is as good as dead here in Derby sadly.

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I have been actively looking for something more economical over the last couple of weeks, but there's nothing about.  Well there's a diesel C1 on Gumtree locally, but the "seller" won't answer my messages.

Thing is, at the moment I don't really need an econobox.  I only drive in to work one day a week, and the only regular long journeys I make are to Somerset to see my folks maybe four or five times a year, and the FOD when in season - so in the grand scheme of things fuel prices aren't having that huge an impact on my disposable income - not as much as increased heating costs anyway.  The problem is that because I'm naturally tight I object to the fact that £20 now won't even give me a quarter of a tank in the Rover or the Laguna, and my man maths says that if I can get something that averages 60mpg instead of the 40 that the Laguna is doing, then I'll be spending the same on fuel as I was when diesel was £1.05 a litre.

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In a word, no. The price of fuel is being politically manipulated to achieve their completely unrealistic ends of getting everyone riding round on an electric milkfloat. That's a good thing for those that can afford it, but what about those who can't? So it's quite alright to price those people off the road with the knock on effects on their ability to work and earn a living? And that's not to mention the hobbyists who are also doing their bit by keeping old vehicles going for decades thus negating the pollution caused by making a new one every ten years. This whole thing stinks. Fossil fuels are a finite resource, and renewable sources are the future. However we are no where near being able to rely on them day to day and won't be for some time. So the immediate future is still fossil fuels. So why make them cripplingly expensive by a combination of tax and political expediency? Somethings afoot I reckon 

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Now is not a good time to be driving a spaceship civic diesel that should be doing well north of 50mpg comfortably, but is so broken that no matter how i drive i only get 28mpg.....

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9 minutes ago, ProgRocker said:

It's not going to affect me with the 45 mpg or thereabouts I'm currently getting. 

It definitely will.  Everything moves by lorry.

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No point changing cars really given most people don’t maintain them properly unless it’s something pointlessly thirsty but but boring all the same like a Mondeo 2.0 automatic.  

It often surprises me when people say the U.K. is a good place to buy a car, most people that live here are useless practically and don’t understand the value in looking after things like cars.

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I drive around 100k miles a year as a self employed courier. There are no EV vehicles that can do what I or any other long distance couriers do. 90% of my work is on behalf of an NHS supplier. So when the fuel goes up, my rate goes up to cover it, when ULEZ areas appear I charge for going into them. So basically whatever obstacles are put in my way the NHS pays for them, ie taxpayers. There are no alternatives, people will be at best seriously ill and hospitalised or at worst dying if we don't deliver the medical stock and equipment.

Same thing happened with the fuel shortages last year, same thing happened in 2000 with the fuel protests, people always find a way to crack on with their lives.

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£80 in the jag for 2/3s of a tanks. £66 in the volvo for nearly a full tank. £146. 19mpg in the jag. 20mpg in the volvo. Roughly 400 miles in the tank between them for £150 pretty much... I am hoping to make that close to a thousand miles with the rover. Could be the last tank of petrol in the jag for a while. Makes me actually quite sad.20220305_213701.jpg20220305_213837.jpg20220305_220220.jpg20220305_220322.jpg

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No point changing cars really given most people don’t maintain them properly unless it’s something pointlessly thirsty but but boring all the same like a Mondeo 2.0 automatic.  
It often surprises me when people say the U.K. is a good place to buy a car, most people that live here are useless practically and don’t understand the value in looking after things like cars.
This is very true. I think the rover I have is in pretty decent nick so I'm pretty happy to run it but I'd rather do 20mpg in my Jag than potentially get double or even triple that in a basket case. You end up losing any savings in repair bills or even just deferred maintenance such as tyres, brakes, clutch, belts etc. I always spend great sums on money whenever I buy a car getting everything right to the point where I have doubled my investment in the jag and the volvo with 1 year of ownership. The volvo seemed to of had almost 0 maintenance in the last owners 17 years of ownership other than mot repairs and putting oil in from it leaking out so fast.
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I was thinking today, are we about to see pre DPF diesels commanding a premium?
There's not enough operable stock left for the population to start living life on the veg.
This might help some people. If you have a nectar card, you can trade 300 points for 5p off per litre if you pay using the Esso app
I think pre dpf diesels will become highly sought after. Anything that runs on veg oil I think will be seeing classic ferrari esque gains
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3 minutes ago, DirtyDaily said:
5 minutes ago, TrabbieRonnie said:
Wow, I have an investment piece at last!!!
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Is that an Isuzu?

How very dare you!  Toyota's finest there!  (Currently a bit borked though, 😅).

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How very dare you!  Toyota's finest there!  (Currently a bit borked though, ).
Oh is it an 80 series? That is an insult I grant you! I couldn't tell from the rear wheel, threw me off and they are rocketing in value before any of this nonsense although it might not help the fact being a 4.2?
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