F**ked Black Rover 827 SLi - The Mistake Machine

[RoverFolkUs]

  On 13/05/2023 at 14:27, St.Jude said:

I do! My Peugeot 107, which is overdue a service actually…

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Ah, forgot about that one! 

If not I was going to prescribe the phenomenon that is MK2 Focus ownership. It's usually refreshingly stress free and doesn't break the bank, cause a divorce, or cause an alcohol consumption problem while searching for and stressing over unobtainium parts

[bezzabsa]

Rover being Rover............my 820 had worse leccy than a 70's italian car, windows worked on their own/when they wanted/and usually stopped working when down and raining!!!!!!

 

[garbaldy]

  On 13/05/2023 at 14:27, St.Jude said:

I do! My Peugeot 107, which is overdue a service actually…

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Ffs put the darn thing in a garage to get serviced.

[St.Jude]

  On 13/05/2023 at 16:14, garbaldy said:

Ffs put the darn thing in a garage to get serviced.

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Ah relax pussycat, it needs it based on months not mileage. Think I’m 5,000 under it. I’ll drop the oil next weekend.

  On 13/05/2023 at 14:32, RoverFolkUs said:

Ah, forgot about that one! 

If not I was going to prescribe the phenomenon that is MK2 Focus ownership. It's usually refreshingly stress free and doesn't break the bank, cause a divorce, or cause an alcohol consumption problem while searching for and stressing over unobtainium parts

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Nope. Never. Fords and Vauxhall are a no go for me personally. My Dad had a Mk1 Focus saloon and a Mk 2(?) Mondeo, and out of all the cars he’s had they are the two I have no nostalgia or desire for. But then he had three 800’s so what do I know?

  On 13/05/2023 at 15:40, bezzabsa said:

Rover being Rover............my 820 had worse leccy than a 70's italian car, windows worked on their own/when they wanted/and usually stopped working when down and raining!!!!!!

 

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The last 820 my dad had would cut out when driving. No matter what speed, 20mph/70mph the engine would die. But would start back up. No idea what the cause was but he got Rid of it and replaced it with a Mk1 Focus.

[AnnoyingPentium]

  On 13/05/2023 at 18:07, St.Jude said:

The last 820 my dad had would cut out when driving. No matter what speed, 20mph/70mph the engine would die. But would start back up. No idea what the cause was but he got Rid of it and replaced it with a Mk1 Focus.

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I'm not saying you could do the same as your Dad here, but you could re-Focus...

It's even 'project ready' or whatever buzzwords the marketing type for knackered shitheaps are using these days.

[St.Jude]

Does anyone know where, or how, I can get access to the neutral switch for the gearbox on this thing? I'll be looking at it on Saturday and if the main relay tests OK (haven't done that yet) then it'll be the neutral switch that I need to look at next.

[N Dentressangle]

Would it not just be feeding a signal re gear lever position into the gearbox computer, which then signals the valve solenoids to move accordingly?

[St.Jude]

  On 08/06/2023 at 11:55, N Dentressangle said:

Would it not just be feeding a signal re gear lever position into the gearbox computer, which then signals the valve solenoids to move accordingly?

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It does go on the gear lever position, but I don’t know if the switch is there or if it’s buried underneath the car.

But it will stop the car from starting at all if it believes the gear is in neutral (so I believe) like all Hondas.

[Back_For_More]

I thought you could start them in Neutral OR Park..... But its been many years sine I drove my old mans so feel free to ignore me - I could be confusing it with the XJR 

[St.Jude]

  On 08/06/2023 at 13:04, Back_For_More said:

I thought you could start them in Neutral OR Park..... But its been many years sine I drove my old mans so feel free to ignore me - I could be confusing it with the XJR 

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You could be right, I may have got them the wrong way round. But it is a thing that stops it starting regardless if it thinks it's not in the correct gear.

[N Dentressangle]

  On 08/06/2023 at 13:49, St.Jude said:

You could be right, I may have got them the wrong way round. But it is a thing that stops it starting regardless if it thinks it's not in the correct gear.

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There's an AR dealer film on YT showing how to adjust the gear lever position which you've probably seen:

 

[Dick Cheeseburger]

Any updates on the 827?

[St.Jude]

  On 27/08/2023 at 19:28, Dick Longbridge said:

Any updates on the 827?

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Nope. Nothing.

I’ve not been near it really as every weekend something else has happened. Some weekends my mom has come to mine (so no need to go to her), various family things, the garage I’ve been working on, this weekend I’ve been doing the driveway to have the Lada on stilts.

Id imagine some point in September I’ll go and have a look at it. 

[Dick Cheeseburger]

  On 27/08/2023 at 19:42, St.Jude said:

Nope. Nothing.

I’ve not been near it really as every weekend something else has happened. Some weekends my mom has come to mine (so no need to go to her), various family things, the garage I’ve been working on, this weekend I’ve been doing the driveway to have the Lada on stilts.

Id imagine some point in September I’ll go and have a look at it. 

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Good to hear you still intend to continue to unpick the ungrateful old bastard at some point anyway. It's a decent looking motor.

[St.Jude]

  On 27/08/2023 at 19:47, Dick Longbridge said:

Good to hear you still intend to continue to unpick the ungrateful old bastard at some point anyway. It's a decent looking motor.

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It’s more of a going concern if it works!

Im not even annoyed not spending time on it because I knew I wouldn’t have the time to sort issues with it to begin with. So it is what it is.

[St.Jude]

So I was minding my business last night watching Project Nigel and he has a Rover 800 displaying the same non-start issues as mine. He then mentions an EAK Code, puts it in the door, and it works. Since found out there’s a 4 digit code you put in to the door (turn it X times to lock, turn it Y times to unlock, Z times lock, AA times unlock) and that resets the immobiliser and the car starts. 

I didn’t know about the code. And I’ve looked with the papers I’ve got for a code… and I don’t have one.

So I need to find this code or find a way to reset it. Although this chap on a random website thinks this could work…

[grogee]

  On 09/09/2023 at 07:03, St.Jude said:

So I was minding my business last night watching Project Nigel and he has a Rover 800 displaying the same non-start issues as mine. He then mentions an EAK Code, puts it in the door, and it works. Since found out there’s a 4 digit code you put in to the door (turn it X times to lock, turn it Y times to unlock, Z times lock, AA times unlock) and that resets the immobiliser and the car starts. 

I didn’t know about the code. And I’ve looked with the papers I’ve got for a code… and I don’t have one.

So I need to find this code or find a way to reset it.

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Try his code? There's not enough combinations of 4 digit for every 800 to be different. 

[St.Jude]

  On 09/09/2023 at 07:06, grogee said:

Try his code? There's not enough combinations of 4 digit for every 800 to be different. 

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You get 3 goes and then you’re locked out for 30 minutes.

Ive deciphered the VIN and the 11th character is an M. It ends with 6 numbers though, so I’ve just wrote down the 3 groups I could make from it and we’ll see how we go.

[grogee]

  On 09/09/2023 at 07:44, St.Jude said:

You get 3 goes and then you’re locked out for 30 minutes.

Ive deciphered the VIN and the 11th character is an M. It ends with 6 numbers though, so I’ve just wrote down the 3 groups I could make from it and we’ll see how we go.

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May the force be with you. 

[Dave_Q]

  On 09/09/2023 at 07:06, grogee said:

Try his code? There's not enough combinations of 4 digit for every 800 to be different. 

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There are 10000 combinations of a 4 digit number, it'd take years. Best to try that thing of chassis number first.

[sutty2006]

Good luck. We’re all counting on you. 

[grogee]

  On 09/09/2023 at 08:32, Dave_Q said:

There are 10000 combinations of a 4 digit number, it'd take years. Best to try that thing of chassis number first.

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There is, but my point is there are (or were) more than 10,000 800s in existence so some must share a code. My guess is factory changed it every year or something, I can't imagine they were very efficient about it. 

[shampooefficient]

  On 09/09/2023 at 09:51, grogee said:

There is, but my point is there are (or were) more than 10,000 800s in existence so some must share a code. My guess is factory changed it every year or something, I can't imagine they were very efficient about it. 

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Would depend on how the code is generated - if it's in the bit of the VIN that changes with every single car or every tenth, or every different engine...

[grogee]

  On 09/09/2023 at 10:20, shampooefficient said:

Would depend on how the code is generated - if it's in the bit of the VIN that changes with every single car or every tenth, or every different engine...

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It would also depend if a code is generated at all. 

Put yourself in Rover's shoes - how are they going to keep track of each code and VIN number, who keeps the record, how is it accessed when a dealer needs to know, how is it updated when a dealer fits a new module? 

Or, just have one code and fuggedabowdit

[SiC]

Or make the code tied to the VIN with a simple formula. Many car radio codes are based off the serial number and why the online calculators exist. 

[St.Jude]

No good. It’s too hot too to Jack it up and take the gear selector off to see if that’s the issue.

If it’s not the gear selector then fuck knows what’s the matter. The ECU isn’t giving codes, the light goes off so the ECU is happy. But it just won’t turn over. I suspect the fuel relay is toast and I’m going to replace that relay with the new one I bought and see if that at least engages the fuel pump.

[RoverFolkUs]

This company retained all such data when MG Rover went bust. Worth a try? 

http://www.mgrccservices.com/services/emergency-key-access-codes/

[Wgl2019]

Similar issue maybe?

[St.Jude]

  On 09/09/2023 at 12:28, RoverFolkUs said:

This company retained all such data when MG Rover went bust. Worth a try? 

http://www.mgrccservices.com/services/emergency-key-access-codes/

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Will give these a call today and see what they can provide me with.

  On 09/09/2023 at 13:35, Wgl2019 said:

Similar issue maybe?

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Maybe, it’s possible. But it’d be nearly £200 to find out. I did contemplate buying it on the basis of using it for the Lada if/when I plonk the K Series in it. But again it’s a lot of money for something I wouldn’t use a lot.

[DaveDorson]

  On 09/09/2023 at 12:18, St.Jude said:

No good. It’s too hot too to Jack it up and take the gear selector off to see if that’s the issue.

If it’s not the gear selector then fuck knows what’s the matter. The ECU isn’t giving codes, the light goes off so the ECU is happy. But it just won’t turn over. I suspect the fuel relay is toast and I’m going to replace that relay with the new one I bought and see if that at least engages the fuel pump.

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When you say won't turn over, are you getting any crank at all and no fire, or no crank whatsover?