The grumpy thread

[Christine]

The flames were licking  around him ...Jump Quasi , jump !  shouted the crowd below .

 

"N N N PP "  called Quasi , pointing at his hump

 

Jump Quasi , jump !    they call

 

"N N N PP "  called back Quasi , again , pointing at his hump.

" Esmarelda  , what's he sayin ? " 

 

" I think he's saying"  " what do you think this lump is ..A parachute  ?"

[Fumbler]

Also grumpy because CBS newsroom were conversing about the significance of the cathedral for "not only Catholics but Christians as well"

 

 

Oh dear.

[wuvvum]

Drama queen here.  I've been watching the footage and not far off tears tbh.

[SiC]

An historic building falling apart is sad, but it can rise again as shows it has put on has shown over the years it has been built has shown, building as well as people rise from the ashes, time for the Damne to do the same.

This isn't some old pub or country house, this is a building that has a shit load of meaning and feeling attached to a great many people. A symbol of a national identity that can not be replaced. A building that took hundreds of years to make by many, many skilled craftsman. A lot of which have died with their trade. It can be rebuilt but it will never be exactly the same. In-fact it will be near damn impossible to get it anywhere near like it was.

 

Hundreds of years to build, 800+ years of history and survived many major and world wars. All wiped out in a couple of hours.

 

Have some fucking respect man.

[New POD]

Fucking steam irons; things don't last 5 minutes! Will by a posh one next time instead of Chinese shit.

We've had our since 1987.

 

Still works. Softwater area.

[Cavcraft]

Thought you worked for yourself. All those work nights out?

 

My boss asked me to be more professional, so I put a leather jacket on and slid across the bonnet of his car. 

[richardmorris]

Also grumpy because CBS newsroom were conversing about the significance of the cathedral for "not only Catholics but Christians as well"

 

 

Oh dear.

I did that ( inadvertently ) in a French lesson in school. Are you catholic? No I’m a Christian.

[richardmorris]

A bell tower is on fire now. May be nothing left soon.

[captain_70s]

A bell tower is on fire now. May be nothing left soon.

Even if the walls stay standing the sheer heat of the blaze will have left it structurally unsound. It'll be coming down either way.

[trigger]

850 years of history gone in hours, how you can make jokes about it is beyond me. It must be heartbreaking for the French. I'm amazed that scaffolding hasn't collapsed yet mind.

[wuvvum]

I'd be very, very surprised if the main structure doesn't survive.  Dozens of medieval cathedrals / churches have had major fires over the centuries, and whilst the roof structures and anything made of wood is lost, the masonry is so massive as to be almost invulnerable.

[richardmorris]

Now a pic on bbc of flames in both towers.

[Cavcraft]

It's a huge loss, all that history gone like that. Must be absolutely heartbreaking.

[SiC]

It's a huge loss, all that history gone like that. Must be absolutely heartbreaking.

It's not just the building, it's all the irreplaceable artifacts inside too.

[richardmorris]

So far, at least, no one has been killed or injured.

[Saabnut]

French TV is reporting a lot of the relics and other stuff that can be carried has been saved. The building looks done for though.

[Fumbler]

The spire fell 2 hours in. At that moment I think everyone knew that was enough to tell them, it was gone. Lucky it was a roof fire to begin with, or everything would have been decimated.

[mercrocker]

I'm an atheist.   I am also a case-hardened Englishman.   Watching Notre Dame burn has made my eyes water, these buildings transcend religion and nationality.   Very very sad day.

[155V6]

Religion can do one,but that's still very sad.

[captain_70s]

I'd be very, very surprised if the main structure doesn't survive.  Dozens of medieval cathedrals/ churches have had major fires over the centuries, and whilst the roof structures and anything made of wood is lost, the masonry is so massive as to be almost invulnerable.

While historically that's been the case I reckon than in this day and age the site will be surveyed, with the effects of heat on the mortar etc and it'll be condemned as being to risky to work on.

 

Having said that, it's France, so it may be rebuilt. If it was a UK building the proposals for a block of student flats and a Costa drive-thu would already have been submitted...

[I_am_Diesel]

I'm an atheist.   I am also a case-hardened Englishman.   Watching Notre Dame burn has made my eyes water, these buildings transcend religion and nationality.   Very very sad day.

Totally agree.

[New POD]

It's French.

 

Like Wales with (more) attitude.

[wuvvum]

Having said that, it's France

 

Exactly.  If it's still standing come the morning, it doesn't matter how damaged it is, there is no way in hell it will be condemned.  Being both French and Catholic I'm possibly more emotionally involved and thus less rational than some, but it is almost impossible to exaggerate how important this building is to the French.

[LightBulbFun]

While historically that's been the case I reckon than in this day and age the site will be surveyed, with the effects of heat on the mortar etc and it'll be condemned as being to risky to work on.

 

Having said that, it's France, so it may be rebuilt. If it was a UK building the proposals for a block of student flats and a Costa drive-thu would already have been submitted...

 

I would of normally said that I wonder if some dodgy insurance/wanting the land a listed building is on BS is going on

 

however given the building in question I highly doubt thats the case (id hate to know the building insurance premiums on something like this however!)

 

what I do wonder is, given that there has been fairly recent a few fires in historic buildings under going renovation work, where the fires where caused by said renovation work

 

I wonder if anyone thought to fit a temporary sprinkler system or such to avoid stray welder sparks or something setting fire to things?

[somewhatfoolish]

Also grumpy because CBS newsroom were conversing about the significance of the cathedral for "not only Catholics but Christians as well"

 

 

Oh dear.

 

Even better was the mandarin Mussolini offering his wisdom on twitter that a water bomber would help.

 

A bit of France profonde up in smoke, other than the tower it's hard to think of something more emblematic of Paris.

 

Speculating on what the news have reported the fire will be found(if a cause is ever attributed) to have started due to the use of gas torches to fit new lead to the roof. The consequences of not having fire patrols during and after hot work has been carried out is a lesson that is regularly relearned.

[SiC]

No matter, I just don't understand the whole blowback, i'll stfu and leave.

Yes, that would be a good idea.

[wuvvum]

Obviously I know nothing about the technicalities of such things, but watching the footage I can't help but think how feeble the firefighting efforts appear to be.

[wuvvum]

 

Reuters news agency is quoting an official with the French firefighting team as saying: "We can now say that the structure of Notre-Dame has been saved from total destruction".

AFP is also reporting that the main structure has been "saved and preserved", citing an official.

[somewhatfoolish]

Obviously I know nothing about the technicalities of such things, but watching the footage I can't help but think how feeble the firefighting efforts appear to be.

I have a little firefighting training as a result of being a salty seadog; short of Trumpton getting onsite within 5 minutes or so of the fire starting to burn this kind of fire is more or less unstoppable, old buildings like this are essentially funfairs for flames, no firewalls, fire doors, or other fire prevention, just open spaces and lots of lovely dry wood.

[Fumbler]

They're the French. They're emotional and very strong willed. They'll throw anything at it to get it rebuilt.

 

I mean, come on. In my area of interest the French have all their ammonia plants running in overdrive, because they can, and most of their power grisd is supplied by a uranium sun, because they can. And we can't even build a power station without the main people pulling out.