The grumpy thread

[wuvvum]

The world (or era) some of us grew up in also included racism, homophobia and all kinds of other things. Doesn’t mean it was right and doesn’t mean they should be ignored now.

There are still plenty of -isms and -phobias around today.  It's just the bits before "ism" and "phobia" which have changed.

[oldcars]

I try my hardest to see the best in all of humanity, but . . .

 

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That is a disgrace.  Is it gloss paint? If you can get to it before it drys, wipe the worst off, then try Autosmart tar and glue remover. It should get it off.

[artdjones]

I try my hardest to see the best in all of humanity, but . . .

 

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If it's emulsion try petrol for the bits that won't wash off.

[chaseracer]

It's just the way it is.

 

NO.

[dollywobbler]

There are still plenty of -isms and -phobias around today. It's just the bits before "ism" and "phobia" which have changed.

Indeed. And all should be challenged.

[Parky]

Someone sprayed "Ryan is a" on my Seat when it was three weeks old.

 

My neighbour had a Seat also, his had "Ryan is a c***" sprayed on his. Ryan was my neighbours son and he had recently dumped his girlfriend. Seems psycho had mistaken my car for his before realising the error.

 

Luckily it came off easily with hot soapy water. Ryan wasn't happy with me making him wash the paint off my car though.

[The Moog]

What about adverts? 'Use Lynx and you too could pull this here lady with the nice personality'

 

Lynx has moved on and actually sell more now because of it. Unilever made the decision that it was an outdated methodology for marketing it. They also launched a successful ladies Lynx range. 

 

Companies go where the money is so if society has moved on and change they will, to make more money. Ethics come pretty low down the schedule of things to check 

[Parky]

There is resistance building to the "sexy" ad - remember the fuss last year from the Protein World diet supplement firm "Are you beach body ready?"

 

Personally I found this unnecessary. Women are bombarded with this kind of shit non stop and it's an unrealistic view of what a body should be. Anyway who gets to decide what women are supposed to look like? Why does Karl Lagerfield or the editor of Vogue get to force their opinions of perfection on us? Or advertisers? Personally I don't care - personality goes a lot further than an impossible to maintain figure and I would like to think I am not shallow enough to be with someone just because they look like that. Such a shame that this kind of bollocks erodes women's confidence and self esteem and leads to all manner of psychological issues - and we still allow it. But sex sells, although I would hate to be the sort of vacuous twat who went and bought this product purely because of this poster on the tube.

 

Anyway she looks a right moody bugger....

 

I believe Serge Gainsbourg summed it up with the comment "Ugliness is better than beauty because it lasts longer". That's my excuse anyway and I am sticking to it!

[D Spares & Tyres]

That was just an example but you get my point? ( haven't watched TV for years )

 

I don't watch F1 or darts and I don't care either way about the actual 'pretty girl argument'

 

I'm just sick of people trying to ban stuff they don't like that others do of their own free will.

[captain_70s]

The last two days I've seen MGBs at the Clyde Tunnel. This morning as I exited the tunnel this happened:

 

 

I can only assume my car caught something off the MGs. Once again I find myself with a full fleet of broken cars...

[SiC]

43MPG is a pretty respectable figure from a Petrol.

[Guest Hooli]

That can't be an MG fault, the light would have gone wrong before the engine!

[Captain Furious]

 

Such a shame that this kind of bollocks erodes women's confidence and self esteem and leads to all manner of psychological issues

 

Oh please, this is such a load of tosh.  You really think that the average woman is so emotionally unstable that a picture of a pretty girl on a billboard is going to tip her over the edge.  If anything that is quite insulting in itself.

[Exiled_Tat_Gatherer]

WOW........ that took some trawling through!

(Flame suit on/)

 

I've worked for F1 - you're probably watching the onboard camera view, and the drivers comms goes through - the network I was partly responsible for designing...... and the entire staffing, male and female, who are not the drivers/team chiefs, are lowly paid and should just be happy they're within 'the bubble'.

All of us chose to be in that environment, even if for a brief period, for the cash on offer - but I promise you - even though it was years ago now, I'm still asked about that experience as the name on the CV makes a fucking BIG impact - no matter the role in that environment. I'm damn certain the various grid girls, technicians or network engineers who joined/were selected, make sure the F1 (or other big name) is up front and centre for potential future employment...... It isn't 'just' about being there for that moment, it's also a name dropper for future recognition/employment/status.

 

It isn't just a working environment that we as a species go on looks, it's every day life...... the amount of times you've said (or thought) wouldn't ant to meet them in a dark alley - WHY? Because they're a big bastard - vould be a nurse/firefighter etc... but you've done the 'looks a bit nasty' jump immediately.

 

LOOKS COUNT - ALWAYS HAVE - ALWAYS ALWAYS WILL

 

Every single one of us has a partner, past or present, that we've met -how - on their fucking looks.......... the personalities blew it, ours or theirs, at a later date. They sold themselves to us, and vice versa, on the looks of the pair of us.

 

You really want to stop exploitation, take your miserable moaning off to the sweatshops, child forced labour and various economically backed wars and start campaigning about that. Leave people to earn a living as they see fit for fucks sake.

 

I don't want any young boy or girl to think that they'll ONLY advance if they look a certain way, but I'm damned certain if my boy/girl comes in and tells me they have a modelling contract at £10K a day/week I'm not going to lecture them!

 

I'm not defending exploitation here, I'm defending the fact that looks do (sadly) matter - in ALL walks of life. The same way the old school tie STILL does. The fact that some of the luckier/genetically advantaged can make cash of it and earn a living - leave them to it.

 

on another note - how many 'ugly' bods have huge instagram/facebook/youtube followings?

The fitness males/females are ALL fantastic instructors for sure - not followed becasue they are ripped/look great in tight fitting clothes etc....

That K family be anywhere near as rich if they didn't sell themselves and flash it?

 

Of course not.......

 

(/Flame suit on)

[fordperv]

Sorry to say it folks if I had the body for it (I'm getting there) and got paid decent money to I would happily prance around with a board/in very little clothes, I'd be laughing all the way easy money

[Captain Furious]

ETG if I could like that post twice I would, so I have liked and thanked instead.

[Parky]

Oh please, this is such a load of tosh. You really think that the average woman is so emotionally unstable that a picture of a pretty girl on a billboard is going to tip her over the edge. If anything that is quite insulting in itself.

Yeah, quite right. Social media and the pursuit of perfection isn't causing increasing levels of depression and other mental health problems amongst young women....

 

http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/29/young-women-at-staggeringly-high-risk-of-anxiety-and-depression-6161497/

 

And it's not having a knock on effect on NHS budgets, or the effect a self harming teenage girl has on the parents of that young woman.

 

Yes most women do disregard it as a load of nonsense and get on with things. But this is a growing problem which shouldn't be ignored

[dollywobbler]

There's some amazing assumptions here. Like assuming grid girls get paid loads of money, or assuming that without being a grid girl they'd be destitute. They work for modelling agencies. I'm sure there's other stuff they can model. They're just an irrelevance to motor racing, there just to try and add some glamour to a sport that really needs to actually make the cars the star again, like in the good old days. They crowd the drivers so the drivers can pretend they're James Hunt.

[Cavcraft]

There is actually nothing in the entire universe that could sex F1 up and make it watchable, so I suppose the dolly birds might as well be sacked off.

[Louise2cv]

It's less to do with the individual girls and more to do with the perception of women as objects to please men. There remains problems with violence against women, equality of pay and opportunities. Saying these girls have chosen to do it and need the work is a red herring. It's a much wider problem than stopping grid girls doing something they are getting paid for.

[Parky]

There is actually nothing in the entire universe that could sex F1 up and make it watchable, so I suppose the dolly birds might as well be sacked off.

Always loads of ideas as to how things could be made more exciting (changes to aero, tyres, etc) but ultimately the answer is everyone has the same chassis, tyres, and engine. Then and only then will we get the excitement back as it becomes driver skill and bravery which decides the result, not the technology.

 

Wouldn't it be great if just once a year the teams did a double header. Say at Spa where instead of a 40 lap race, they had two sprints - 20 laps in the F1 car, and 20 laps in identical F3's (painted the same as the F1 cars so sponsors don't miss out). That would be a race we'll worth watching and would doubtlessly enhance some reputations while forcing a rethink on others.

 

For most long term fans, that's more important than anything else

[Louise2cv]

To clarify I am not saying everyone who likes grid girl is violent or condones violence, but that it feeds in to a culture of viewing women as objects. Some people still believe that if women dress in a certain way they are asking for trouble, and that men are hard wired to not control themselves. Perpetuating these myths is feeding into the problem and tackling it begins with "silly" things like removing walk on girls at darts.

[Guest Hooli]

I don't think any intelligent people do think that. I also don't think silly things like this make any difference except to those so hard of thinking they'll never change.

 

People dressing in ways that invite trouble is real though, due to human nature. To try it another way, footy fans in the 'wrong' top going into a pub, or bike gangs wearing colours in other's territories. It's daft & stupid to me, but it exists because of humans & I don't think that'll ever change until an intelligent species replaces us.

[Guest Hooli]

Just to add, I don't have enough faith in human intelligence to think it can be improved, mankind has proved millions of times it's too stupid to deserve to survive so it's amazing it's got this far.

[Captain Furious]

The way to combat violence against women is to put the perpetrators of it in prison for a very long time. 

[dollywobbler]

Just to add, I don't have enough faith in human intelligence to think it can be improved, mankind has proved millions of times it's too stupid to deserve to survive so it's amazing it's got this far.

 

Jeepers. Have you not looked at the 20th century? There was an awful lot of improvement throughout it. You aren't going to cure ignorance and stupidity overnight, but things are better now than they were when I was a child.

[Tadhg Tiogar]

Jeepers. Have you not looked at the 20th century? There was an awful lot of improvement throughout it. You aren't going to cure ignorance and stupidity overnight, but things are better now than they were when I was a child.

Meanwhile, over in the Middle East....

[dollywobbler]

Hey, guess what? Some cultures are different. I'm not sure we can appeal to their better judgement by treating women as objects ourselves.

[Tadhg Tiogar]

Hey, guess what? Some cultures are different. I'm not sure we can appeal to their better judgement by treating women as objects ourselves.

They certainly are. I don't think they will change much, regardless of how enlightened we consider ourselves to be over here.

[Tickman]

This has actually been an interesting read which just shows how different we all are.

 

Oh please, this is such a load of tosh.  You really think that the average woman is so emotionally unstable that a picture of a pretty girl on a billboard is going to tip her over the edge.  If anything that is quite insulting in itself.

 

Having two teenage daughters I can assure you that it is not just a picture of a pretty girl on a billboard but it is everywhere. 

They are never away from it, in school it is a perceived competition for popularity with the 'pretty' girls seeming to win every time. Social media is the same with advertising being targeted at them, look you've got spots but buy our potion and you will have friends and be happy, insert a picture of pretty teenagers with perfect teeth and no braces!

 

It is all coming from somewhere.

Trying to teach my two that we are all have something to offer no matter how thin, fat, tall, short, pretty or ugly is very difficult at times.

 

We have also taught them if you have an advantage use it.

 

If either of mine wanted to be a pit girl or whatever they choose we are fine with it. The only condition is that they CHOOSE it.