The grumpy thread

[bub2006]

Little fucking bastards. Just turning into haffords car park yesterday evening. Little pricks on bikes in middle of road on a busy street decided to pelt car with eggs. Made a bloody mess,grateful if had ac on though and the window shut. Scarpered when I spun car round though except for one who stopped and said

"sorry mate,it wasn't me".

Took some bloody cleaning though too.

[AlabamaShrimp]

They're strange places, and the staff don't often seem to understand kids (generation gap probably doesn't help either). I had some right issues towards the end of primary school (2006/7) because the head and my teacher (deputy head) didn't like me, and intentionally let me be bullied etc. My mum was a volunteer and a good friend of hers was a dinner lady and they both knew something was up too.

My mum and the dinner lady both packed it in for similar reasons to you, not agreeing with the staff, politics etc.

 

Mum bumped into aforementioned teacher last year. Teacher always acted friendly with my mum but my mum knew it was out of spite, and thought she was a twat as well (overworked the kids as well). Teacher asked how I was, the mother replied 'oh, he was diagnosed Asperger's' (this is true but only very mildly so). Teacher bricked it, mum just buggered off, that was her basically saying 'fuck you'.

If I'd have got my mum to listen to me a lot sooner (had concerns something was up even when I was a kid), then that teacher (and the head?) would probably have lost their jobs.

That sounds extra crap as your mum actually worked there.

 

The difference with the school I was at is that the head can't get enough of special needs kids. She bangs on about it meetings, treats them like they are super special and even had a lad about late teens who obviously had something 'wrong' walking round school collecting stuff.

 

I think she only does it because the school gets extra money. The main problem with the school (and I suppose a few others) is that if yours at the very bottom of the class you get extra help but this means that the top don't get pushed with extra work and the middle just get ignored.

[Junkman]

That sounds extra crap as your mum actually worked there.

 

The difference with the school I was at is that the head can't get enough of special needs kids. She bangs on about it meetings, treats them like they are super special and even had a lad about late teens who obviously had something 'wrong' walking round school collecting stuff.

 

I think she only does it because the school gets extra money. The main problem with the school (and I suppose a few others) is that if yours at the very bottom of the class you get extra help but this means that the top don't get pushed with extra work and the middle just get ignored.

 

That's why both of my children are home educated.

[Ghosty]

You genuinely believe that a teacher and head teacher conspired to allow your bullying to continue?

 

It was only ten years ago. You should do something about that.

 

It was a Catholic school, there were a lot of funny goings on, and decent teachers never lasted there. The priest in the attached church at the time was a bit odd too.

The head knew me personally as in her first year at the school she was my Y3 teacher. As with the other teacher I had in Y6 (that she appointed deputy head) she seemed to think I was a bit of a smart arse and as such didn't play fair. Also kept bugging me to join the school choir for some reason when I had no interest in it at all.

A year later she was promoted to head.

When you're being sent to the head's office on a pretty much weekly basis by your teacher/the deputy to get slapped on the wrist for nothing in particular (not many real punishments though, if any - wonder why), it's a bit odd. 

Towards the end of days the teacher was genuinely malicious, berating me for wanting to double check things, moving the bully from the other side of the room to sit behind me to 'monitor' him (in my naivety I questioned if that was really a good idea and was snubbed). The teacher basically turned a blind eye to him. They'd have me and the bully in the head's office and tell us to 'agree to disagree' whatever that meant. They wouldn't punish him at all.

Very late on I accidentally slapped the prick in the stomach during a game of football while using an arm to balance myself when I had no clue the fucker was behind me. Starts crying on tap to a dinnerlady that hadn't seen anything.

Head conveniently appears out of nowhere, asks whats going on and just stands gawping at me, refusing to hear me out, sends me off the playing field. 

Rest of the class know fine well it was an accident but don't say anything. I go and tell my mum's friend who's attending the playground. She isn't happy about it at all and relays it to my mum while they're waiting to pick us up at the end of the day. End of lunch and the head comes into the class to shame me and bitch to the teacher who again stands there gawping and refuses to listen to me. The girl I sat next to that lives on the same street as me (and still does) is quietly reassuring me as she knows me pretty well at this point. They have my mum in at the end of the day, she's gone a fair old while and I'm just sat in the car. 

The problem magically went away after that.

[oldcars]

Little fucking bastards. Just turning into haffords car park yesterday evening. Little pricks on bikes in middle of road on a busy street decided to pelt car with eggs. Made a bloody mess,grateful if had ac on though and the window shut. Scarpered when I spun car round though except for one who stopped and said

"sorry mate,it wasn't me".

Took some bloody cleaning though too.

Little shits, eggs etch the paint a lot. Nice looking Mondeo you have.

[Des]

It was a Catholic school

 

No need to say any more. I still bear the odd mental scar from my experience, I couldn't pretend to believe all the old  yarns about jeebers and his crew so they tried to beat it into me, nothing compared to my friends lot, he was one of only two black kids in the whole miserable establishment, he got dished some almighty shit.

[bub2006]

Little shits, eggs etch the paint a lot. Nice looking Mondeo you have.

I think I caught it, toak it straight to jet wash and went to town going to polish it when it's not as wet.police were informed and said they had other reports and going to look for them. Asked me to take photos and inform them if any damage has occurred. Shan't bother doing that,not worth it overall.

[Dick Cheeseburger]

Well after defending teachers holidays the other week it shows you what time can do as this week I've had enough of them.

I love volunteering at school and helping out in class 7 (ages 7/8) just about my stupid mentality.

Tomorrow will be my last day. I can't do with the school politics and arse covering. Got 'in trouble' last week as I said "don't out you gob on the tap" to a girl hanging over the sink. Apparently accents aren't allowed, wankers.

Headteacher is a complete arse hole. I'll stop for now and go back when she inevitabley leave like all the others did.

Why do you bother helping out, and what sort of age are you? Ultimately, if you want to become a teacher, volunteering is a great idea. It won't give you the complete picture that being a full-time teacher is mainly about paperwork, planning, assessment and meeting targets, with about a 10% focus on bring a good educator. However, it will give you an idea if you like working with, and supporting young people. If you don't have respect for the adults you're working with, sack the school off politely (Headteachers talk) and try a different school. I've worked in many schools and like all workplaces, they vary wildly in terms of staff, pupils, attitudes and expectations. Some are enough to give you a nervous breakdown; others are pleasant and generally decent places to be. If you really want to work in a school, try harder.

 

As for Junkman mentioning abut home schooling - I'm intrigued. What do you do about socialising your offspring with like-minded peers?

[gm]

Why is there a nice stack of tyres in my kitchen ? Because some fucknugget ordered the wrong size ! Gah !

 

[Louise2cv]

We home educate at the moment.

 

They socialise with the people we socialise with. Neighbours, friends, people in shops. They do karate or jiu jitsu everyday and swimming once a week term time. Every Saturday is parkrun where their main circle of friends is a group ranging from age 3 to 11 but where they will run/chat/volunteer with people up to age 80ish.

[Stanky]

Why is there a nice stack of tyres in my kitchen ? Because some fucknugget ordered the wrong size ! Gah !

 

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Buy another car to fit them to?

[dollywobbler]

My fucking neighbour who, around 9 every morning, starts his fucking old Mazda 3 heap up and leaves the bastard thing running for ten minutes before driving off.

 

Why?

 

Think yourself lucky. When I lived in Cambs, the twat next door used to do that at 6am with a bloody Impreza that had a cannon exhaust. Not appreciated.

[Cavcraft]

Our neighbour's little darling* keeps booting his ball against our fence.

I stood by our back door and did that thing where you cough and swear at the same time, only once and only one word, albeit the worst one. It's been quiet ever since, hoping it lasts as long as the previous time this happened.

[eddyramrod]

Schooldays, oh don't get me started.

Kids and footballs, oh don't get me started.

Kids on bikes, oh don't get me started.

Socialise with peers in childhood?  Fuck no, I'd have killed myself if I'd had to do that with any seriousness.  Since then I've kept well away from the fucking bastards.

[Louise2cv]

Well quite.

 

I'm not sure how true a reflection of "real world" socialisation forced socialisation in set age groups is.

 

My little friendship group at school was united by all of us having nothing in common with anyone else, rather than by shared interests.

[somewhatfoolish]

As for Junkman mentioning abut home schooling - I'm intrigued. What do you do about socialising your offspring with like-minded peers?

 

My very limited exposure to my niece's/nephews' peers(they are 9, 13 and 14) is that far too many of them are gutter-mouthed feral creatures, incapable of communicating on any meaningful level and welded to their portable idiot's lanterns. Socialising with these seems like a fool's errand.

 

 

No need to say any more. I still bear the odd mental scar from my experience, I couldn't pretend to believe all the old  yarns about jeebers and his crew so they tried to beat it into me, nothing compared to my friends lot, he was one of only two black kids in the whole miserable establishment, he got dished some almighty shit.

Praise Jibbers.

 

[chodweaver]

Finding opportunities for socialisation is not difficult for home educated children - typically their parents will have decided, despite more than a little trepidation, to home educate and accordingly have looked for sources of support. Of which there are many, almost all being easily accessible, friendly and understanding of the challenges faced by the child and the parents - after all, most of the groups are run by parents that chose to home ed for the same reasons - their child somehow does not fit the schooling system, or is badly served by it, and they will do their utmost to support other families getting the same shit deal.

 

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[chodweaver]

I should note that the experience of home educating families in the UK varies widely depending in which LEA they have to deal with. Some will offer what support they can (it's often limited, but they try their best).

Others will treat home educating parents like criminals.

 

My experience is that none of them are criminals - they just want to give their children the best education they can.

 

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[chodweaver]

Sorry, bit OT there. For justification, if I had been on the beige in 2004, that would have been my grump.

 

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[The Moog]

Why is there a nice stack of tyres in my kitchen ? Because some fucknugget ordered the wrong size ! Gah !

 

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What size are they??

[cobblers]

Our neighbours are JWs and have decided to "home educate" their 12 year old to keep her from learning things that she'd learn in school that might give her ideas above her station.

The poor lass just wanders round the garden all day with the dog.

Flippin child abuse as far as I'm concerned! Poor little lass is gonna be stuck at social/mental level of a 6 year old all her life - She's too far gone for normal schooling now, she'd get eaten alive.

 

The mrs works in schools and reckons a very good percentage of people home schooling (EHOing) in our area are just doing it because they can't be arsed getting their kids in to school in a morning. She works with attendance at about half a dozen schools and a child with very poor attendance is massively more likely to be taken out of school than one with good attendance.

 

I didn't get on with school that well, so I'm all for home schooling in theory but there needs to be some level of supervision to prove that the kids are actually getting educated in some way, and that the parents themselves are actually capable of it. 

 

My parent's aren't thickos or owt, but neither are academic or driven to learn in any way. If I'd been home schooled, I'd be absolutely ruined. There was nothing they could have taught me past what I learned in Y7 at comp.

As we are I got OK GCSEs, crap A levels and a pretty decent degree when I could finally learn about stuff in my own way.

[gm]

What size are they??

195 55 15 when what I need is 195 50 15, not much of a difference but I'd rather have the right ones. I'd had the right size saved in my watch list for ages from a different supplier but when I went to buy them, they were out of stock.

[Guest Hooli]

Our neighbours are JWs and have decided to "home educate" their 12 year old to keep her from learning things that she'd learn in school that might give her ideas above her station.

The poor lass just wanders round the garden all day with the dog.

Flippin child abuse as far as I'm concerned! Poor little lass is gonna be stuck at social/mental level of a 6 year old all her life - She's too far gone for normal schooling now, she'd get eaten alive.

 

The mrs works in schools and reckons a very good percentage of people home schooling (EHOing) in our area are just doing it because they can't be arsed getting their kids in to school in a morning. She works with attendance at about half a dozen schools and a child with very poor attendance is massively more likely to be taken out of school than one with good grades.

 

I didn't get on with school that well, so I'm all for home schooling in theory but there needs to be some level of supervision to prove that the kids are actually getting educated in some way, and that the parents themselves are actually capable of it. 

 

My parent's aren't thickos or owt, but neither are academic or driven to learn in any way. If I'd been home schooled, I'd be absolutely ruined. There was nothing they could have taught me past what I learned in Y7 at comp.

As we are I got OK GCSEs, crap A levels and a pretty decent degree when I could finally learn about stuff in my own way.

 

Totally agree with that.

 

As shit as the education system is and it is shit, its a standard level of shit that the average parent would struggle to match.

 

If I was a parent I know I'd fail too, I can't remember half the stuff I learnt so even allowing for exams getting easier I wouldn't know enough to teach a kid. On the plus side though, I wouldn't make them hate education like my schools did.

[Louise2cv]

Depends whether you think children can only learn by being taught or if they can learn to learn. We are teaching them what we know, often in living situations (maths while shopping or baking or gardening, for example) and stuff we don't know we research and learn together.

 

A lot of the criticism of home education is based on the assumption that because formal schooling in an institution is the usual way that it must be the best way.

[Guest Hooli]

Learning to learn is a lot more important, school taught me that was a bad thing to do. The 'teachers' (I put it in speech marks as most couldn't) BUT they do need to be taught enough to pass the exams or no matter what they know they'll be disadvantaged for life. As an example, how often do you use simultaneous equations in real life? I never do, but they were in my maths GCSE.

 

I have no idea if you're doing a good job with them or not, but trying to achieve more than a system that's developed over hundreds of years on your own is a hell of a task I'd have thought.

[Louise2cv]

Being home educated doesn't exclude you from exams, you just have to pay to sit them.

 

You don't have to pass exams though.

 

I spoke to a university admissions bod, he said often applications from home educated students go to the top of the pile.

[chodweaver]

The LEA has a responsibility to ensure that home education is not a cover for child abuse and this is quite correct.

Some LEAs treat the parents as guilty until proven innocent however.

 

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[Guest Hooli]

Being home educated doesn't exclude you from exams, you just have to pay to sit them.

 

You don't have to pass exams though.

 

I spoke to a university admissions bod, he said often applications from home educated students go to the top of the pile.

 

I know that on the first point.

 

You do to find a decent job, if you don't go through further/higher education.

 

I'm surprised, unless they get more money for them. It must be harder to judge their level to know if they are ready for the courses on offer due to them having a non-standard education.

 

Just to add, I'm not knocking home schooling as an idea. It's just the only families I've known do it have had parents who could barely tie their own shoelaces, let alone give their kids a chance in life.

[Jazoli]

195 55 15 when what I need is 195 50 15, not much of a difference but I'd rather have the right ones. I'd had the right size saved in my watch list for ages from a different supplier but when I went to buy them, they were out of stock.

 

Just fit them, its about -3% difference in rolling radius which you will never ever notice

[Pillock]

Friends of ours had an issue with their middle child (of 5) being bullied to the point she couldn't bring herself to go to school. Was making her ill.

So they pulled her and her younger sister out of school and are being home educated. Plenty of local support groups, they have a "school" area set up at home (so when you're in that area, you're learning, and then you take proper breaks) friends make suggestions about trips/activities, there's a proper syllabus and they've been visited by the LEA who inspected everything and said they were more than happy. It's really heartwarming to read what they get up to.

 

Does sound like someone who lives near cobblers needs to suggest to the LEA they do a spot check, because home ed is far from "have the kids at home and they might learn something".