invacar LightBulbFun's Invacar & general ramble thread, index on page 1, survivors lists on Pages 24/134 & AdgeCutler's Invacar Mk12 Restoration from Page 186 onwards, still harping on...

[LightBulbFun]

  On 03/02/2025 at 21:13, Yoss said:

You're probably right, I dare say I'm underestiming the state of London traffic these days. It's been a long time since I drove in London regularly and when I do, mostly around west London, it is always much worse than it used to be. 

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Yeah @lesapandre is on the money, London Traffic is sadly so bad that you really are often better off or at least no worse off going a bit out of the way and then around and back down using dual carriage ways and motorways, rather then trying to go as the crow flies so to speak

its one of the reasons I chose the motorway for the return trip, originally I had planned to motorway there then take a non motorway route back home, figuring that just one round of motorway would of been enough, but since the motorway driving to the sellers place went well, worry/stress free in the end, I had several options all with the same ETA, it was either chose between an hour of stop start bollocks, or an hour of actually relatively speaking, fairly simple motorway cruising flashing Audis out of the 3rd lane so I went with the motorway option and hoped it would be as uneventful as previous, (mainly hoping the CVT belt would hold itself together) which it thankfully was  

[auntiemaryscanary]

  On 01/02/2025 at 11:46, auntiemaryscanary said:

Here's to many more miles travelled and we are looking forward to hearing how it goes when you get a bit further afield.

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Then 2 days later he only goes and M25's it! Good on ya.

[High Jetter]

When I was in my teens/20s the most direct or sensible route wasn't the concern. I went, because I could, just as Dez has done. Well done, M9.

[Zelandeth]

For comparative purposes, here's my economy record for TPA.

Linky.

I have missed a bunch, but gives a general idea what I've been seeing - usually mid 30s.

[LightBulbFun]

  On 04/02/2025 at 00:31, Zelandeth said:

For comparative purposes, here's my economy record for TPA.

Linky.

I have missed a bunch, but gives a general idea what I've been seeing - usually mid 30s.

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interesting! next time im out in REV again I want brim the tank again, as I am quite curious to see how ~50 miles of motorway driving compares to the 50 miles of city driving I did before last fill up (and also to get some E5 back in the tank)

I dont suppose you also have data on top speeds achieved in TPA for comparison purposes also?  REV gets to about 50Mph pretty well, but then the last 10 mph to 60 takes a fair while and inclines will slow her up a bit, and as mentioned while she is happy to sit at 60, she also wont go any faster its wide open throttle at that point. However I do think REV has more to give in that regard, I know her ignition timing was set quite conservatively, so I would like to at least set that to the same value TPA's is frozen at since that seems to work quite well in your case (and I also want to check the valve clearances, not sure if thats been checked or adjusted in recent history)

and also with REV I would like to make sure all is alright with the CVT system, make sure theres no tarnishing/pitting on the CVT pulleys and fit a new drive belt, make sure the pulley centres are correctly spaced to 10.25 inches apart etc, the CVT system is the last major remaining thing (apart from the engine/gearbox mounts) that I have not been able to have a good look at and so is a bit of a unknown

I mean of course I am pleased she can cruise at 60, I know TPA and TWC could not at first, but I do still feel like theres room for improvement, I want to do 70 in a (Model) 70  

  On 03/02/2025 at 22:44, auntiemaryscanary said:

  On 01/02/2025 at 11:46, auntiemaryscanary said:

Here's to many more miles travelled and we are looking forward to hearing how it goes when you get a bit further afield.

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Then 2 days later he only goes and M25's it! Good on ya.

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hah yeah I did read that and think to myself "Oh your going to like what I have planned then!"  I only wish I had recorded it! (I did actually think about trying to, but I figured I had enough on my plate, did not want the pressure of knowing I am being recorded! and also I was running behind a bit time/remaining daylight wise when I set out so I did not want to waste time faffing about setting up an extra phone mount on the rear window and making sure to get the angles right etc, something to try for next time!)

[auntiemaryscanary]

  On 04/02/2025 at 01:26, LightBulbFun said:

I only wish I had recorded it! 

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Don't worry about any of that yet. You are still a new driver Dez getting about in an old invalid carriage. Concentrate on getting to places safely - and back - whilst having fun and enjoying it. I'm very happy reading about your exploits and looking at the photos. 

I'll await updates on your next big* trip out. Maybe to the Essex records office...

PS it's great seeing it all come together after all your years of hard work and perseverance (plus that of @red5,@Saabnut and others).

[Zelandeth]

  On 04/02/2025 at 01:26, LightBulbFun said:

interesting! next time im out in REV again I want brim the tank again, as I am quite curious to see how ~50 miles of motorway driving compares to the 50 miles of city driving I did before last fill up (and also to get some E5 back in the tank)

I dont suppose you also have data on top speeds achieved in TPA for comparison purposes also?  REV gets to about 50Mph pretty well, but then the last 10 mph to 60 takes a fair while and inclines will slow her up a bit, and as mentioned while she is happy to sit at 60, she also wont go any faster its wide open throttle at that point. However I do think REV has more to give in that regard, I know her ignition timing was set quite conservatively, so I would like to at least set that to the same value TPA's is frozen at since that seems to work quite well in your case (and I also want to check the valve clearances, not sure if thats been checked or adjusted in recent history)

and also with REV I would like to make sure all is alright with the CVT system, make sure theres no tarnishing/pitting on the CVT pulleys and fit a new drive belt, make sure the pulley centres are correctly spaced to 10.25 inches apart etc, the CVT system is the last major remaining thing (apart from the engine/gearbox mounts) that I have not been able to have a good look at and so is a bit of a unknown

I mean of course I am pleased she can cruise at 60, I know TPA and TWC could not at first, but I do still feel like theres room for improvement, I want to do 70 in a (Model) 70  

hah yeah I did read that and think to myself "Oh your going to like what I have planned then!"  I only wish I had recorded it! (I did actually think about trying to, but I figured I had enough on my plate, did not want the pressure of knowing I am being recorded! and also I was running behind a bit time/remaining daylight wise when I set out so I did not want to waste time faffing about setting up an extra phone mount on the rear window and making sure to get the angles right etc, something to try for next time!)

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Nothing really empirical I'm afraid.  50-55 is where she's happiest.  Anything over 60 you're definitely having to push on quite a bit, and any hill will knock you back.  Not really surprising with less than stellar aerodynamics, the lossy nature of a CVT and only 19bhp to start with.  I have had an indicated 70 shown, but that was on a calm day and on a road varying between level to slightly downhill.  Was also very clear that all the rpms in the world were involved so wasn't something I'd want to do for any length of time.  Buzzing along at around 50 is where she's happiest.

It is worth remembering though that I'm running a Dayco HP2020 belt too.  While dimensionally as far as we could tell near identical to the NOS ones, it could well have slightly different characteristics in terms of the rubber formulation which could affect performance.

I barely looked at the belt last year I have to confess, really should make a point of properly inspecting it before she's brought out properly for 2025.  Especially having had one (albeit already in poor shape when I fitted it) go pop at speed.  Which I can assure you absolutely ensured I was fully awake!

[Pieman]

60mph on the M25 in REV?  That is fantastic and you are certainly braver than me!

[beko1987]

The chances of sustaining 60mph for more than 3 or 4 minutes on a London motorway is slim though... I've had chances to at 2am before but with all the cameras and 40 limits it'll probably do rev good to be opened up and blasted after several days of 20mph potterings and heavy idling. Or the m25 has 50 on the gantry and I doubt even rev is immune from that (but by gosh the nip would be hilarious 😂) 

If your coming out of London and doing many miles at the sustained speed then yea you'd probably want to follow a wagon doing 55 the whole way and keep it steady, but every now and again sounds fine*

[LightBulbFun]

  On 05/02/2025 at 17:33, Pieman said:

60mph on the M25 in REV?  That is fantastic and you are certainly braver than me!

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not 60 Mph on the M25 sadly! it was sadly all boring 50Mph road-works on the M25 so no speed records there! but the M11 was completely NSL (National speed limit) and for the miles I was on that, I was pretty much cruising at wide open throttle the whole way  (which is why I do think she has more to give, 60Mph is "only" 4500RPM but I am pretty sure the engine redline is somewhere well above that, I would like to be able to sprint up to 70Mph even if not sustained, just so I can do overtakes cleanly etc)

 again she handled it fine, visibility is no problems, even a lorry joining the motorway, was no problems, check mirrors, look over my right shoulder, while throwing a right indicator and just smoothly merge into lane 2, to give the lorry plenty of space to merge, then cruise past the lorry, then when well ahead check left shoulder and mirrors, left indication and merge back into lane 1  

I do wonder what the fellow motorists thought however, especially those who where joining the motorway with me, I wonder how many people saw me went "Oh thats cute!" then had the realisation "Oh shit he is *actually* joining the motorway with that!"

but yeah it was almost anticlimactic, for all the nuns and kittens that people said would die, if I dare venture anywhere above 30Mph, it was no problems at all, no stumbling, no twitchiness no getting blown off the road by lorries or the wind etc, the handling I find is much more confidence inspiring then my modern driving instructors car was, in that REV gives you plenty of feel whats going on, and the steering weights up nicely if your pushing on (the motorway to motorway interchange from the M11 back to the M25 was fun for testing REV out in that regard ) , where as in my driving instructors car, there was *zero* feel so even at 50Mph when trying to do a smooth merge or lane change it was far too easy to accidentally put too much steering in and end up twitching all over the place! but with REV she gives you feel/resistance, so you just put a little bit of pressure on the handle bars and she will smoothly scoot over in whichever direction you want, of course if you are ham-fisted with the handle bars you can still get jerky movements out of her, but in general it felt much better then any modern car I have driven! 

and if anything the Motorway driving was nicer then the A12 driving I did with REV previously, I notice a motorway is nice and large, you get plenty of time and signs to get into the correct lane for wherever your going, the but on the A12 everything feels much shorter notice, and I notice on the A12 theres a lot more flying-idiots (BMW's and Audi's that fly around at 100Mph weaving between traffic) then there is on the M25 or M11, at least from what I have noticed so far...

 

  On 05/02/2025 at 17:52, beko1987 said:

it'll probably do rev good to be opened up and blasted after several days of 20mph potterings and heavy idling.

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indeed this was one of the other reasons for doing it, as you say to give the engine a good workout and blow out any "gunge" that may of accumulated from hours idling and pottering about at sub 20Mph LOL, it certainly felt better for it afterwards at least  

[LightBulbFun]

BTW talking of motorways, speaking with the sons of REV's second owner, they dont think that during that time (1985-2000) that he and her ever took their Model 70's on a motorway

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If my recollection is correct I don’t believe mum and dad ever took their trikes on the motorway. Dual carriage ways such as the A2 & A20 certainly. When going to Ashwellthorpe (a regular holiday destination in Norfolk and home of the Disabled Driver’s Association (DDA)) we only ever used A roads.

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at some point ill check with her 3rd keeper the person I got her from if he did any motorway trips (but looking at the history file, im not sure he ever actually drove her much at all!) REV's first owner has sadly no longer been with us since the 1980's IIRC,  so I cant ask her what sort of trips she might of undertook with REV

but otherwise it sounds like theres a fair chance Mondays trip may well of been REV's first time on a motorway as well, which I think is fun to think about  

 

[plasticvandan]

Have you checked your tyre pressures yet?

[High Jetter]

  On 05/02/2025 at 18:51, LightBulbFun said:

even a lorry joining the motorway, was no problems

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Bet the driver was surprised, overtaken by REV!

[richardmorris]

Photos from Goodwood Breakfast club on facebook.

[LightBulbFun]

  On 06/02/2025 at 12:50, richardmorris said:

Photos from Goodwood Breakfast club on facebook.

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ah yes Ted's AC Acedes Mk15 Model 67, the only Acedes that is known running/road worthy  and in general one of the very few Villiers Pre Model 70's machines in general that are known runners/road worthy, although I dont think ALB is used on the road much herself.

[LightBulbFun]

  On 06/02/2025 at 21:27, Six-cylinder said:

DVLA Broken again!

Today I got the V5C for my spares Discovery and dutifully went online to SORN it.

It came up as you do not need this service because it is already on SORN.

Using the DVLA vehicle checker it says it was UNTAXED  from the 1-2-2025

It is all your fault @LightBulbFun

 

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thats very interesting, because, well first of a little bit of quick* DVLA/Invacar history lesson, all Invalid Vehicles, Invalid Carriages Tricycles Invalid Cars etc including mobility scooters (sadly) are registered under the DVLA *body code* of 08 which until recently was "INVALID VEHICLE" (invalid as in disabled person, not invalid like no longer valid) but more recently they appear to have changed the lookup table/descriptor for body code 08 from INVALID VEHICLE to MOBILITY VEHICLE

  On 13/12/2024 at 13:50, LightBulbFun said:

also in REV news, her latest V5 arrived just now  one rather amusing side effect of all this running about with the DVLA, is that I have 3 almost identical V5's for her now LOL

although as you can see in the latest one I do note that as I thought they might of done https://autoshite.com/topic/32723-lightbulbfuns-invacar-general-ramble-thread-index-on-page-1-survivors-lists-on-pages-24134-adgecutlers-invacar-mk12-restoration-from-page-186-onwards-still-harping-on/page/384/#findComment-3072178

they changed the lookup table for body code 08 from "INVALID VEHICLE" to "MOBILITY VEHICLE" I am not sure what to think of this one, since Mobility vehicle is still a fair description for what REV is! and I have seen a few people in the past see "INVALID VEHICLE" on their Model 70 V5 and panic think its invalid as in Null and void! but at the same time I dont want anyone at the DVLA forgetting that not all "MOBILITY VEHICLE"'s are Mobility scooters! 

I have often lamented the fact that, when it became a requirement to register mobility scooters with the DVLA, that they never made a new body type code for Mobility scooters, instead they piggy backed off the pre-existing "INVALID VEHICLE" body code (which is what all the Model 70's and previous are registered under)

and this really diluted the dataset, since now if you want to know how many old school invalid vehicles (like your Stanley Argson or Model 70) are currently taxed or the such like it becomes much tricker, since if you do a FOI request "tell me how many Vehicles with the body code 08 Invalid Vehicle/Mobility vehicle" are currently taxed, you will just get back all million mobility scooters that are taxed with the DVLA! which they even admit themselves in a round about sort of way

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vehicles-statistics-guidance/vehicle-licensing-statistics-notes-and-definitions

no its not just class 3 mobility scooters! but again like the AC (ELECTRIC) thing this is a systemic issue that goes a fair way back, and to sort it out, the DVLA would have to actually somehow separate all the Invalid Vehicles from the Mobility scooters!

see this is why one should always make sure to practice good data sorting and not just lazily reuse codes! 

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I belive that they started to do this back in 2023 when the DVLA spruced up how they handled mobility scooters, and they added a bunch of scooter manufactures to the database, and I noticed in this, they changed the terminology from Invalid Carriage/Invalid Vehicle to Mobility Vehicle

 

 

now where I am going with all of this is I noticed a few days ago a very peculiar anomaly with a Invacar that someone was SORNing, they had lost the logbook for it, so they paid £25 got a duplicate logbook and SORNed it, or so they thought! Taxed but no Tax due date!

l of course let the keeper know about this and they tried to SORN it again where it came up "this vehicle is already SORN" and nothing initially changed a few days later it did actually show SORN

but I thought that this was Invacar specific shenanigans because, when they setup all the Mobility scooter make codes, they gave them *all* 1 Model code, "MOBILITY VEHICLE" like the body code

*but* one after-effect of the whole Invacar vs Invacare thing is it appears that they to have added the "MOBILITY VEHICLE" model code under the Invacar make code, and someone at the DVLA has without asking the owner, moved VJN to this model code (previously it would show as INVACAR UNKNOWN as it should)

so rather then showing up as "INVACAR UNKNOWN"  it shows up as "INVACAR MOBILITY VEHICLE" and the V5 reflects this also, notice how REV's V5 from the quoted message above is correctly blank for model info since INVACAR was explicitly setup back in the day with no model codes

the whole changing of the *Body* code from Invalid Vehicle to Mobility Vehicle is slightly less of an issue then the whole "Invacare" thing because "Mobility Vehicle" does still at accurately describe what an Invacar is, but its still *quite* bad to see the DVLA should not be manipulating vehicle records like this, changing model codes so freely

and where im going with this I do know that with Mobility Scooters the DVLA automatically renews the tax for those without user-intervention 

and I do wonder if with VJN960S it somehow has/is mistaken as a mobility scooter? one thing I dont know is what happens if you try and SORN an actual mobility scooter, but I do have a vague recollection of coming across a mobility scooter that was in this zombie state of "taxed" but with no date shown and I do wonder if thats what happens if you try to actively SORN a Mobility Scooter?

and so it possibly indicates that someone at the DVLA *still* does *not* realise that not all "Mobility vehicles" are mobility scooters! it still feels like someone at the DVLA has forgotten or not realised that classical Invalid Cars are (still) a thing!

 

as an aside to this whole "Mobility vehicle" thing one additional anomaly i have notice is all the Invacar's that are *incorrectly* registered *not* as Mobility/invalid vehicles for body type, for example TWC which is incorrectly registered as a Tricycle or ONO454D which is registered as a Goods vehicle!

show up as "INVACAR MOBILITY VEHICLE" on the ULEZ checker even tho on the DVLA they are not showing the additional model code (at least for ONO454D, TWC is harder to verify because its been through an MOT so has a static DVSA record)

anything that is properly recorded with Body Code 08 (aka "Invalid Vehicle" or "Mobility Vehicle") still shows up as just as an Invacar

 

 

 

but *all* of that aside (you just gave me a good opening to mention it, and to give some pretext as to why I mention VJN  )  the fact that your getting a similar issue to VJN960S, that System says its already SORN but not its not showing as SORN, is interesting in its own right, might be an indicator of a wider issue, if its still showing as untaxed tomorrow, but is still saying vehicle is already SORN, by tomorrow, I would call the DVLA and see what the clerk on the other end says

[mat_the_cat]

On the subject of a drop-in blade fuse box, this company do make them but not (yet) the 2 fuse type. I bought one for the Series 3 a couple of years back, and I'm sure they list more now than I remembered so may be worth keeping an eye on.
https://www.torquerestoparts.com/category/all-products

With your voltmeter, what I'd be inclined to do is power it via an ignition switched relay, so it is the only thing on that circuit (aside from the USB socket) to avoid voltage drop as much as possible. The measurement circuit itself will draw negligible current, so the only time you should see any drop is when you charge something via USB. And with thick enough cable you could ensure that this drop is negligible. That said, you'll soon get an idea of what is normal in various scenarios, and be able to judge when it deviates.

[LightBulbFun]

  On 08/02/2025 at 01:02, mat_the_cat said:

On the subject of a drop-in blade fuse box, this company do make them but not (yet) the 2 fuse type. I bought one for the Series 3 a couple of years back, and I'm sure they list more now than I remembered so may be worth keeping an eye on.
https://www.torquerestoparts.com/category/all-products

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interesting! thats exactly what I am looking for but in the 2 fuse format found in Mini's and Triumph TR's which no one seems to make in bladed format curiously enough,

I am somewhat in two minds if I should replace like for like, or install a bigger fuse box and split some of the circuits up, although one of the things I really want and need to install is a headlamp relay kit, I have actually got one in hand, its the kind that is its own loom, it has one end you wire into the battery directly, and then other end you plug into one of the existing bulb sockets which it then uses as control signals for its relays, and then it has 2 flying H4 lamp holders you jab into the back of your head lamp bulbs that are fed via relays directly off the battery, and that has its own fuses for the 2 headlamp bulbs so that takes some load off the fuse box both figuratively and literally! (since the H4 bulbs draw a fair bit more juice then the original 36W bulbs did and REV's headlight switch has been replaced with a modern reproduction part that I inherently distrust LOL)

however I discovered that REV's head lamp bowls appear to be totally enclosed, ie to change a bulb I would have to pop the whole head lamp reflector out the front of the car as if i was replacing a failed 7 inch sealed beam lamp or such

and so i am not sure there is an opening large enough to feed the flying H4 lamp holders through the back of the headlamp bowl, thus I need to have a closer look at things see if I have to modify some of the wiring loom of either REV and or the relay kit to make it all actually fit and work

but I also I have to ask does anyone have any good guides/best practices on setting headlight aim? REV's headlights where replaced with H4 units back in 2021 but I am not sure if the headlight aim was properly set or not, so its something I would like to check out anyhow, I know that in general you can point the car at the wall and look at the pattern/shape of the overall beam, but I admit I am not sure what im looking for! other then of course make sure the dip is to the offside, but im not sure how far away I should have the car from the wall, or high up or down the wall the beam should be etc

(the thought crossed my mind it might be a good excuse to try visit a garage with REV, which I may still do, but I figured its also something I should get a handle on how to do myself  )

[ETCHY]

  On 05/02/2025 at 20:17, plasticvandan said:

Have you checked your tyre pressures yet?

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Yes this is important especially with just 3 wheels..

[mat_the_cat]

  On 08/02/2025 at 03:11, LightBulbFun said:

I am somewhat in two minds if I should replace like for like, or install a bigger fuse box and split some of the circuits up, although one of the things I really want and need to install is a headlamp relay kit, I have actually got one in hand, its the kind that is its own loom, it has one end you wire into the battery directly, and then other end you plug into one of the existing bulb sockets which it then uses as control signals for its relays, and then it has 2 flying H4 lamp holders you jab into the back of your head lamp bulbs that are fed via relays directly off the battery, and that has its own fuses for the 2 headlamp bulbs so that takes some load off the fuse box both figuratively and literally! (since the H4 bulbs draw a fair bit more juice then the original 36W bulbs did and REV's headlight switch has been replaced with a modern reproduction part that I inherently distrust LOL)

however I discovered that REV's head lamp bowls appear to be totally enclosed, ie to change a bulb I would have to pop the whole head lamp reflector out the front of the car as if i was replacing a failed 7 inch sealed beam lamp or such

and so i am not sure there is an opening large enough to feed the flying H4 lamp holders through the back of the headlamp bowl, thus I need to have a closer look at things see if I have to modify some of the wiring loom of either REV and or the relay kit to make it all actually fit and work

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You may find that the wires in the kit are unnecessarily long, which partly defeats the object of installing it to reduce voltage drop! You can remove the H4 connectors from the plastic moulding, usually by pushing a tiny screwdriver between the plastic and terminal to bend back the locking tab. It sounds like you will need to do this anyway to pull out the existing connectors from the headlamp bowl. 

[LightBulbFun]

  On 08/02/2025 at 09:56, mat_the_cat said:

You may find that the wires in the kit are unnecessarily long, which partly defeats the object of installing it to reduce voltage drop! You can remove the H4 connectors from the plastic moulding, usually by pushing a tiny screwdriver between the plastic and terminal to bend back the locking tab. It sounds like you will need to do this anyway to pull out the existing connectors from the headlamp bowl. 

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I like your idea of de-pinning the connectors, not the first time I have done something like that in fact when I got this relay kit one of the H4 lamp holder terminals had been inserted the wrong way around so it was not latching, that was easy enough to sort!,

but I do need to see how the loom was modified to fit the H4 head lamps/their sockets thats been fitted currently anyhow, (I am a little bit suspicious of things because I spy a couple chocolate blocks that have been used to wire up the directional indicators so I am a little suspicious of how where the the head lights done, this is pre Red5 stuff done by someone else)

but speaking of this wiring loom, I have spotted one little issue that the provided ground leads are way too short, they obviously expect you to just screw the ground leads into whatever the nearest bit of body work is, thats obviously not going to work on my car LOL

 

[richardmorris]

VED question ( not me but a walking history YouTube I follow ). What does this suggest? I’d have thought disabled tax class before?

[LightBulbFun]

  On 08/02/2025 at 17:08, richardmorris said:

VED question ( not me but a walking history YouTube I follow ). What does this suggest? I’d have thought disabled tax class before?

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i'd have to see more of the vehicle record in question to be able to more concisely say why its thrown up that wobbly 

[richardmorris]

  On 08/02/2025 at 17:14, LightBulbFun said:

i'd have to see more of the vehicle record in question to be able to more concisely say why its thrown up that wobbly 

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Edit……wife had incorrectly entered the reference number! But Is apparently £0 anyway with disabled categories.

[Noel Tidybeard]

use a 4 fuse box as you say to spread the load

get a dash cam and you will capture any speed records achieved!

[neil1971]

This popped up on the Basildon Heritage Facebook page

[quicksilver]

  On 06/02/2025 at 22:25, LightBulbFun said:

now where I am going with all of this is I noticed a few days ago a very peculiar anomaly with a Invacar that someone was SORNing, they had lost the logbook for it, so they paid £25 got a duplicate logbook and SORNed it, or so they thought! Taxed but no Tax due date!

 

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I found another one like this!

No historic exemption for this one (it's a US-import 600SL) and I saw it on the road last year so it obviously was legal. Is it just going to stay taxed indefinitely and save the owner paying a fortune to tax their massive 6-litre V12 grand tourer every year?!

[Cavcraft]

BBC news this morning

soz for the awful quality photo. 

[LightBulbFun]

  On 17/02/2025 at 06:58, Cavcraft said:

BBC news this morning

soz for the awful quality photo. 

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thats very interesting! the Larmar car HVR51 is actually new one, it showed up back in 2022, but we are not sure exactly what its story is  theres some thoughts it might of come from the Larmar themselves as until fairly recently the company/works where actually still going, but sadly not anymore I dont think

but to now see it buddying up with a Model 70 is quite curious, it must be with someone who has a thing for invalid cars, because you dont randomly have both a Model 70 and a Larmar Car together like that! do you recall what the topic in the news was about? 

[Cavcraft]

  On 17/02/2025 at 07:24, LightBulbFun said:

thats very interesting! the Larmar car HVR51 is actually new one, it showed up back in 2022, but we are not sure exactly what its story is  theres some thoughts it might of come from the Larmar themselves as until fairly recently the company/works where actually still going, but sadly not anymore I dont think

but to now see it buddying up with a Model 70 is quite curious, it must be with someone who has a thing for invalid cars, because you dont randomly have both a Model 70 and a Larmar Car together like that! do you recall what the topic in the news was about? 

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Car headlights dazzling oncoming drivers, BBC1 news 6.54am today. A car collector called Richard Usher was the fella, you should get it on iPlayer if you have it.