invacar LightBulbFun's Invacar & general ramble thread, index on page 1, survivors lists on Pages 24/134 & AdgeCutler's Invacar Mk12 Restoration from Page 186 onwards, still harping on...

[The Old Bloke Next Door]

2 hours ago, JJ0063 said:

Not interested in getting into arguments but one thing I will say is 120 hours of driving in an instructors car between 3 to 5 years ago is not ‘experience’.

Those 120 hours are sat in a virtually brand new car with every driver aid at your disposal, with an instructor sat holding your hand giving pointers and you as a driver giving 110% attention as you’re a new driver. 

One journey to a local chip shop in the invacar with the brake sticking on is nothing either. 
 

Not a single actual road mile being driven in the last 3 years to then being alone, in the middle of London, in a car that in itself needs you to pay extra attention to and will likely have the odd hiccup or quirk to take your eye off the actual task at hand of driving is a disaster waiting to happen.

I also thought I was competent when I passed. Driving down a main road past RAF Marham eating a McDonalds double cheeseburger whilst driving with my knees, hit some slush in the centre of the road where it’d been snowing earlier and spun my Citroen AX out. Luckily managed to push the bumper back into place and carry on but I learnt a lot in those first couple of years, and even an AX is a lot more forgiving than a tiny fibreglass 3 wheeler.
 

Im not a hater, not a bully, I’ve always tried to help where I can but it’s frustrating to see that being claimed as experience when it’s simply irrelevant.

I wish you the best of luck with it all.

To cut a long story short, back in 1969 at the tender age of 19, I passed my first driving test after only 7 lessons.

My driving instructor congratulated me but added the caveat , that he had only taught me how to pass the test, not how to drive.

I wish you well with your intention to use the Invacar as a daily but fear it will not end well for you.

A well meaning suggestion, buy a TXI, have some refresher lessons, then buy an A-frame, which can be stored in the lockable boot and tow  Rev to Autoshite type social events. 

 

[captain_70s]

3 hours ago, JJ0063 said:

I also thought I was competent when I passed. Driving down a main road past RAF Marham eating a McDonalds double cheeseburger whilst driving with my knees, hit some slush in the centre of the road where it’d been snowing earlier and spun my Citroen AX out. 

I lasted a full 4 days between buying my first car and spinning it 180 after hitting an icy spot on tight corner on my drive to work. Luckily it was a deserted road in the middle of nowhere.

There was a moment where I was quite concerned I was going to die while listening to the soundtrack to Grease...

[warren t claim]

20 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

respectfully I am going to disagree on this one

I dont doubt that there are people who post against my ideas because they actually do care about my well being and genuinely think "I like this chap but I dont think thats a good idea",

however I think its pretty clear from peoples attitudes and the way people take the piss out of me, and Invacars, that people are doing this because they dont like me or my goals or the things I am involved in. and I am not saying those who antagonise me/dont like me or my cause, dont care at about my well being, but I dont think concern for my welling being really is a major driving point in how they act 

for the simple fact I fail to see how ridiculing and taking the piss out of someone, quite relentlessly so, is "because they actually care" 

like in school its bullies and people doing things to appeal to others in their peer group at the expense of the weird kid, case in point this whole Invacar vs Invacare thing, I think its pretty well established how much that bothers me, so of course all the people who dont like me and are against me in my endeavours have now started spelling invacar that way, is that not directly a form of antagonism? "lets do something we know the other party does not like!" and along similar lines all the posts/questions that are designed to try and provoke a response from me (I very much appreciate all those who answer/call out these posts on my behalf)

 

in-fact your a prime example @warren t claim I know that you do care about me to some degree, you where generally very kind and helpful when I was looking into the feasibility of the whole Taxi WAV thing, but I also know that you frequently take the piss out of me and my antics or go off topic in this thread because its funny to you and the people in your peer group 

 

in the end I am still just the Target of the school playground

 

I think nothing showcases the school playground nature of things of then when literally as part of a forum game, I posted my invacar (you know, because its my car!) and a member *left the forum* for a time because of it

https://autoshite.com/topic/7904-autoshite-top-trumps-nominate-your-car/page/11/

its literally like how when "the weird kid" shows up to take part in a game being played and everyone packs up and leaves

and TBH thats what saddens upsets and depresses me the most really, that this sort of thing happens on *Autoshite* the one place I thought I could hang out around and finally not have to deal with this sort of thing, finally a group who understands my weird obsessions, but no, I get ridiculed/berated  all the same...

as you said yourself...

 

I'd have responded earlier to this post but I've been busy working all day.

Firstly I appreciate you taking time to reply to my posts. It's very refreshing as you normally follow the advice given to you by your AS guardian of "don't explain and don't complain. It's not just road hazards that I have a high level of perception of!

You're very quick to label me as a prime example of a bully for missnaming your car. If you think that's bullying then you've been leading a very sheltered life for the last 24 years. During the last 18 hours I've had accusations on this very thread of taking it up the arse, giving it up the arse, having an arse that could tell raconteur tales that would rival a Dave Allen monologue, having another member's head up my arse along with being a troll and a typical Scouse tea leaf. Do I now have a wobbling bottom lip due to this? Do I fuck! I see it as banter, not bullying. As for thread deviations, I've started around 350 threads since I joined here back in the days when you were in primary school. Out of those I'd say that in every one of my dozen or so long running "hardy perennial" threads all of them have had many thread deviations but have always returned to the topic. This is a theme common to the majority of topics here. In fact, it's what Autoshite if famous for and a large part of its charm as it helps keep those threads alive.

Would you please explain to me what I said in the post above that is either incorrect or what you would classify as bullying? Maybe I should be harsh and expand on the above quote? The likelihood of you being involved in an RTA today is significantly higher than it was when REV was new. Allow me to explain by saying this. Back in 1979 when the first owner* of REV needed to exit a side road into a busy A road only to find a car parked too close to the junction it wasn't too big a problem as that car would have been something like a Maxi which REV's driver along with the people driving along the main road could see through allowing REV's pilot to pull out safely. In 2024 that carelessly parked Maxi will now be a Nissan Qashcow with blacked out windows making it a lot more risky for you to edge out to see if the road is clear. In 1979 motorists driving along that busy A road only had the potential distraction of pushing a button on their Ford P21 radios to distract them. In 2024 the driver heading towards you may be Snapchatting his bit on the side or engrossed on his huge in car touchscreen trying to turn his heater down.

I don't want to see you get killed or injured and I find the accusations that I don't care deeply hurtful. If I didn't care I wouldn't have taken the time to post my advice.

 

[warren t claim]

14 hours ago, OhNoWhatHaveIDone said:

Why are you actually here?  All you seem to do is goad @lightbulbfun who is a good guy, and slate invacars..... Some people like them, if you dont, deal with it!

I've been here 15 years. You've been here 6 weeks and have no fucking idea how much history there is between myself and @LightBulbFun and how far I've gone to try and help him over the last year or so.

[warren t claim]

13 hours ago, OhNoWhatHaveIDone said:

You're out of order with this post 

u ok huni? x

[warren t claim]

13 hours ago, OhNoWhatHaveIDone said:

You care? Really. Funny way of showing it!  Dr Harold Shipman finishing school was it? 

Do try and keep up man! The euthanasia banter between myself and @Sheefag ended two pages ago!

[warren t claim]

12 hours ago, OhNoWhatHaveIDone said:

What is your problem exactly? apart from your head is stuck up Warren T Claims arse?

It's just as well that Head Fest '24 doesn't clash with the aforementioned Fist Fest '24. 

[LightBulbFun]

1 hour ago, warren t claim said:

You're very quick to label me as a prime example of a bully for missnaming your car. If you think that's bullying then you've been leading a very sheltered life for the last 24 years. During the last 18 hours I've had accusations on this very thread of taking it up the arse, giving it up the arse, having an arse that could tell raconteur tales that would rival a Dave Allen monologue, having another member's head up my arse along with being a troll and a typical Scouse tea leaf. Do I now have a wobbling bottom lip due to this? Do I fuck! I see it as banter, not bullying.

there is a difference between bullying/being antagonistic, and genuine banter, pretty sure the people who said that your arse could tell stories, are genuine friends of yours, certainly from the interactions I have seen between you and them, and im sure they know know what to you is humour and what might be genuinely hurtful to you

but again I think its been pretty well established that I dont see this Invacare thing as "banter" or something to laugh about but as a genuine problem and issue that I am fighting to resolve, so I am pretty sure you and everyone else who does it, knows that purposefully miss spelling it like that is not going to go down well with me, yet you continue to do it

(and surely just because you might of had it worse then me at points, does not make any of it ok, just because someone got stabbed in the hand, while you got stabbed in the neck for example, does not make the fact any person got stabbed suddenly ok?)

nothing in the particular post that you have screenshotted constitutes as bullying no, 

 but ill give another example where you where deliberately antagonistic 

On 21/10/2022 at 19:11, warren t claim said:

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/19914707.widow-recalls-fatal-crash-london-brighton-veteran-car-run/

 

Probably no more crash worthy than a Model 70.

which despite Zel calling you out on

On 22/10/2022 at 16:48, Zelandeth said:

Nearly 120 year old car doing <30mph getting rear ended by a HGV on a major road they were on by mistake...that really doesn't seem relevant. 

If you get hit by a HGV at anything over walking pace in anything other than a really modern car you have a significant chance of being a gonner.  Even in a modern it's largely down to luck of the draw if a HGV at speed is involved.

I really don't think there's any comparison between the two.  Yes the Model 70 is a death trap compared to anything made vaguely recently, but where you're largely mixing with low speed traffic around town I don't think I'd be worried.  The chassis is surprisingly sturdy, you're actually quite a distance from all sides of the vehicle, you've got a proper 3-point seat belt, and while it disintegrates impressively, fibreglass is actually a lot better at absorbing energy in an impact than a lot of people think.

Ask a mate of mine who hit black ice on the A90 in a Reliant and vaulted the crash barrier at significant speed.  By the time he came to rest there basically wasn't any bodywork left, but aside from a few scrapes and bruises he was unhurt.  Yes, he was incredibly lucky, but the car has to take some credit for protecting the occupant a lot better than people would tend to expect.

Comparing it to something from the 1890s though which is basically a horse drawn card that someone has bolted an engine onto really isn't fair though.  It's a heck of a lot safer than that.  Having things like doors, seatbelts, mirrors, the ability to change direction something resembling quickly to try to avoid trouble, oh, brake lights - those seem relevant for this one too.

you repeated again, in your most recent post

On 25/09/2024 at 22:52, warren t claim said:

I think that we're missing the obvious elephant in the room by comparing the dangers of driving an Invarare 70 in modern traffic with a Morris Minor. If we want a modern safety benchmark then we should look no further than the road legal quad bike.

https://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/24098796.mums-tribute-princess-died-birkenhead-quad-bike-crash/

which again is a vehicle that is not comparable to a Model 70 in a Crash at all, a Quad Bike is much more like a Motorcycle in a Crash then any sort full chassis full bodied  vehicle where your literally strapped down to a chair 

1 hour ago, warren t claim said:

I don't want to see you get killed or injured and I find the accusations that I don't care deeply hurtful. If I didn't care I wouldn't have taken the time to post my advice.

as I said in that post, you are someone who I know does care, I explicitly made sure to make that clear such that no one thought I was accusing you of not caring, but I was demonstrating how your still complicit and take part in all the antagonism and berating that goes on which you even then take part in from time to time, despite the fact that surely you are a better person then that, to publicly mock someones interests in front of them at a time when they are unhappy about the whole situation, just because it makes your friends laugh/appeals to your peer group?

[warren t claim]

3 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

there is a difference between bullying/being antagonistic, and genuine banter, pretty sure the people who said that your arse could tell stories, are genuine friends of yours, certainly from the interactions I have seen between you and them, and im sure they know know what to you is humour and what might be genuinely hurtful to you

but again I think its been pretty well established that I dont see this Invacare thing as "banter" or something to laugh about but as a genuine problem and issue that I am fighting to resolve, so I am pretty sure you and everyone else who does it, knows that purposefully miss spelling it like that is not going to go down well with me, yet you continue to do it

(and surely just because you might of had it worse then me at points, does not make any of it ok, just because someone got stabbed in the hand, while you got stabbed in the neck for example, does not make the fact any person got stabbed suddenly ok?)

nothing in the particular post that you have screenshotted constitutes as bullying no, 

 but ill give another example where you where deliberately antagonistic 

which despite Zel calling you out on

you repeated again, in your most recent post

which again is a vehicle that is not comparable to a Model 70 in a Crash at all, a Quad Bike is much more like a Motorcycle in a Crash then any sort full chassis full bodied  vehicle where your literally strapped down to a chair 

as I said in that post, you are someone who I know does care, I explicitly made sure to make that clear such that no one thought I was accusing you of not caring, but I was demonstrating how your still complicit and take part in all the antagonism and berating that goes on which you even then take part in from time to time, despite the fact that surely you are a better person then that, to publicly mock someones interests in front of them at a time when they are unhappy about the whole situation, just because it makes your friends laugh/appeals to your peer group?

 

 

 

It is common knowledge here that I was stabbed in my right hand while seizing a Saab 900 Turbo on behalf of a finance company. Do you want me to upload a picture of the scar I still have? Thanks for reminding me.

I don't know personally or even as FB friends anyone who posted the arse/troll/Scouse robber posts on this thread.

Do you honestly not think that getting wound up over Invacar/Invicare is normal? Back in the 80s I had mates who owned Fiat X1/9s and they managed to laugh off people calling them TR7s. See also Colt Lancia adverts. Back then it was said that nobody hated XR3is more than RS Turbo owners.

You still haven't commented on my road safety observations.

 

[warren t claim]

Oh and before I forget. Back in the 60s and 70s people managed to survive motorway crashes in Morris Minors and the like.

And you and everyone else has failed to answer my question as to who would be more likely to be killed or seriously injured in a collision. You in REV wearing a seat belt or me unrestrained in a taxi.

[LightBulbFun]

1 minute ago, warren t claim said:

It is common knowledge here that I was stabbed in my right hand while seizing a Saab 900 Turbo on behalf of a finance company. Do you want me to upload a picture of the scar I still have? Thanks for reminding me.

I was actually thinking of Hot Fuzz and the time he got stabbed by a man dressed as Santa Clause

"you have heard of chekhov's gun now get ready for Webley's Sea mine!"

7 minutes ago, warren t claim said:

Do you honestly not think that getting wound up over Invacar/Invicare is normal? Back in the 80s I had mates who owned Fiat X1/9s and they managed to laugh off people calling them TR7s. See also Colt Lancia adverts. Back then it was said that nobody hated XR3is more than RS Turbo owners.

is *anything* about Autoshite normal? I did not realise this was a place where one had to be normal, and again its a bit of fallacy, just because its not normal, does not suddenly make it ok, when again you know it upsets the other person

its again school bully tactics, "oh he is genuinely scared of oranges, thats weird! lets taunt him with them" 

11 minutes ago, warren t claim said:

You still haven't commented on my road safety observations.

what if there for me to say on those? I appreciate that you wish to warn me about them, but at the same time its not something I am not already aware of, through this very forum see the aforementioned standards of driving thread, and the internet at large you learn which cars/drivers/stereotypes to look out for, plus first hand experience driving here in Central London, where those characters are rife, you very quickly learn to be weary of them and drive defensively, so I have nothing much to say on it, yeah your right on that point, there be plenty of modern bad drivers out there that one has to keep a careful eye out for, but I do already know that

25 minutes ago, warren t claim said:

Oh and before I forget. Back in the 60s and 70s people managed to survive motorway crashes in Morris Minors and the like.

And you and everyone else has failed to answer my question as to who would be more likely to be killed or seriously injured in a collision. You in REV wearing a seat belt or me unrestrained in a taxi.

depends on what sort of collision,  but for starters, I dont think you would appreciate a windscreen to the face and what that might do to your neck (not to mention what the airbag might do also), where as as the seatbelt in REV would keep me restrained and stop me from flying into/through the windscreen 

 

[warren t claim]

8 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

 

is *anything* about Autoshite normal? I did not realise this was a place where one had to be normal, and again its a bit of fallacy, just because its not normal, does not suddenly make it ok, when again you know it upsets the other person

its again school bully tactics, "oh he is genuinely scared of oranges, thats weird! lets taunt him with them" 

 

 

You really have a very low bar when it comes to what counts as bullying.

[Jon]

3 hours ago, warren t claim said:

You're very quick to label me as a prime example of a bully for missnaming your car. If you think that's bullying then you've been leading a very sheltered life for the last 24 years

 

1 hour ago, warren t claim said:

Do you honestly not think that getting wound up over Invacar/Invicare is normal? 

You still haven't commented on my road safety observations.

 

1 hour ago, warren t claim said:

And you and everyone else has failed to answer my question as to who would be more likely to be killed or seriously injured in a collision. You in REV wearing a seat belt or me unrestrained in a taxi.

 

42 minutes ago, warren t claim said:

You really have a very low bar when it comes to what counts as bullying.

 

I think it's fair to say that I see my computer and interests as less of a social lifeline than LBF, so can appreciate that his sensibilities as to what constitutes bullying would differ to mine, and most likely yours. The repetition and diminishing of his notions of bullying (these are just since my last post a few hours ago) and control of the dialogue ("I've asked a question so it must be answered") are themselves signs of bullying, whether well intended or not.

I volunteer in my local fire brigade and we have 5 intersecting state highways in our area, so I've front line experience of numerous fatal road accidents, yet I couldn't answer your questions as to which is 'safer' of the two scenarios you offer. That's not glib or noncommittal but I've been to events where patients you expected to be dead have survived and 'survivable accidents' or 'safe' cars weren't. 

I still ride a bicycle on roads purely for exercise, when the risk averse alternative is a set of rollers in my garage to ride it on. And cutting up older cars using rescue cutting gear is a doddle compared to newer ones, but my daily is still a 20+ year old supermini.

However, I'm not advocating for LBFs notion of daily driving a 50 year old Invacar, as he'll conclude if it'll work or not.

[plasticvandan]

Being strapped in a seat doesn't help when the car is split in half,well remember a front page news on the local paper when a reliant driver was hit side on from someone pulling out of a junction who didn't see him,split the car in half,the back end was in the verge and the rest from the b pillar forwards was spread up the road,died instantly.he was only 6 months from retirement and on his way to work poor chap. As with all minimal forms of transport,it isn't usually the driver or vehicle that is the hazard,though the invacars low weight in side winds is well documented, excluding the obvious three wheel issues, its everyone else on the road that is a problem.

[lesapandre]

6 hours ago, The Old Bloke Next Door said:

To cut a long story short, back in 1969 at the tender age of 19, I passed my first driving test after only 7 lessons.

My driving instructor congratulated me but added the caveat , that he had only taught me how to pass the test, not how to drive.

I wish you well with your intention to use the Invacar as a daily but fear it will not end well for you.

A well meaning suggestion, buy a TXI, have some refresher lessons, then buy an A-frame, which can be stored in the lockable boot and tow  Rev to Autoshite type social events. 

 

                    "Autoshite type social events."

[paulplom]

8 hours ago, R Lutz said:

I'm still waiting for my keyring. 

I'll sell you mine. I think I was the only person to buy one.

[plasticvandan]

It had probably been up his bum mind

[Split_Pin]

Warren, I love some of your threads, brilliant insight and I can always relate to the ones about your debt collecting days.

I have made much less posts than you but my contribition to this forum is equally valid. But as you seem to care about it, I'll say this as someone who's been here for longer than you. You cleverly veil some of your posts and threads behind just enough good honour to diminish the fact that they are simply provocative.  You do the same on TDW, which I no longer visit, treading just the right line between the overt bullies, and rascists, and being genuinely funny and warm. I'm not going to go digging for examples because I can't be arsed and you know fine well what I mean.

'Banter' is subjective. You don't need me to tell you that everyone's idea of what it is and isn't is very different. Boundaries etc.

The thread has gone on long enough that everyone who has concerns about the safety and validity of an Invacar  has made their point and are now just labouring it. I think you should leave Dez alone and let him do what works for him, same goes for everyone else.

 

[xkjagnz]

Just a quick weigh in here.

I recently (in June) had an accident in my Nissan March (Micra in Europe) I was avoiding a logging truck that had crossed the centre line, lost grip on the passenger side tyres in the loose gravel at he side of the road, overcorrected and hit a Ford Ranger drivers side headlight to drivers side headlight. Car carried on 150m and traversed through 180 degrees. The front wheel of the Ranger came off, caved in my windscreen and proceeded across the roof.

Car ended perched on the edge of a 12 to 15 foot drop

I was traveling at approx 60kph and drive that road every weekday (for the last 16 years) doing 160 km per day

The micra is 3/4 star rated.

Injuries 2 fractured vertebrae,  both shoulders dislocated, broken foot, severe bruising to shoulders, hips and torso, damage to both hip joints.

I'm still medically downgraded at work, I'm teaching but have limits on the physical aspects of firefighting,  review in November.  I'm seeing a specialist in January for possible hip replacement and am still in considerable pain especially at nights.

I think I got off lucky

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[Dave_Q]

I tell my children, it's only a joke as long as the person you are joking with/at finds it funny. If they don't, then you stop.

Warren and Sheefag both enjoy/don't mind the arse etc banter so this is absolutely fine.

Dez is CLEARLY not enjoying the banter/advice/however people self-ID their contributions* here, so it's not a joke, it's just being mean.

Any attempt to claim "well X is worse, it's just a forum etc, people can give their opinions" is just an attempt to justify what looks a lot like just being a dick and winding Dez up covered up with a veneer of concern/banter/whatever.

How about just stop it

Edited to add: this isn't safe spacing or wokery or whatever you lot will think it is, it's just not being a dick

[comfortablynumb]

I'm new here, so I appreciate that my opinion doesn't carry as much weight as some of my learned peers.

I also don't like confrontation.

Years ago, I had three school friends killed in a head-on crash between a reliant robin, and a nissan bluebird.

Who was at fault? Don't know, doesn't matter, doesn't make them any less dead.

I note in other threads that @Tommyboy12and @sharley17194 are planning a major roadtrip in the same vehicles, which I have to say I think are dangerous.

Would I suggest they don't do it? Hell no!

We've all done stupid stuff, like driving vehicles which would be dangerous in a scrappy, never mind on the road 

@LightBulbFun has been extremely helpful and answered some of the more stupid questions I've asked on here, not condescending, and obviously very knowledgeable . If he wants to do something he obviously has his heart set on, so be it.

This coming from someone who used to bungee jump, and parachute.

I'd also suggest that the M25 is probably one of the safer roads in his area, since it seems to be at a standstill most of the time 

Just my twopenneth

 

[cort1977]

14 hours ago, DodgeRover said:

Dez hasn't developed that yet and to be honest other than an active war zone I can't imagine a worse place to try and do so. 

It's only London lads. I mean, millions of people drive there every day. 

TfL says "Current average traffic speeds in central London are around 14 kph, in inner London about 20 kph and those in outer London vary between 30 and 35 kph." Even in the outer boroughs the average speed is still only just over 20mph.

I've driven in Hackney, it's genuinely no worse than any other British city. Not saying an Invacar is a great idea but it's not significantly more risky than anywhere else.

[BorniteIdentity]

Agreed. But who uses a car* to just drive around their own very small borough? Getting between one place and another in East London will always be quicker on foot or bus or underground, even when disabled. 

If the car* was just going to do a handful of miles in a small area, then great. But, realistically, you use a car in London to go further.

Using Zip cars to practice is a good idea, but unsure of the restrictions they place on borrowers. 

[Talbot]

7 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

which again is a vehicle that is not comparable to a Model 70 in a Crash at all, a Quad Bike is much more like a Motorcycle in a Crash then any sort full chassis full bodied  vehicle where your literally strapped down to a chair 

If you are going to keep hanging your hat on that, then there is genuinely no way you are listening to good useful advice.  A model 70 is made of nothing.  Absolutely and completely nothing.  The glassfibre is wafer thin, the chassis is barely that, and is a platform only, and it has all the roadholding and handling prowess of a wayward shopping trolley.  Also, remember that GRP does not have the energy-adsorbing characteristics that steel does, meaning it needs barely a tap, and the GRP will shatter.  GRP needs to be HUGELY thick to have any real strength. 

Seriously.  From a safety standpoint it was utterly dire even when measured by the standards of 50 years ago.  Please do not think this is any safer than being on a quad bike.  It isn't.  In fact it's likely worse as you are not wearing any protection and you're lulled into a false sense of security.  Also, the seat in a model 70 offers precisely zero safety benefits.  It's a chunk of foam on a slab of plywood, held together with some thin-wall tubing.

I would rather drive absolutely any car made since about 1980 with no airbags and no seatbelt than drive a model 70.

[DodgeRover]

10 hours ago, OhNoWhatHaveIDone said:

This forum is becoming TOXIC.  God help anyone who answers back to a certain 'clique', yet they can say what they want, slate who they want, mainly @LightBulbFun yet @Mrs6C ADMIN are on the missing list...... They slag off Invacars, so why are they here?

Best thing would be is to have two new forum pages, one for lightbulbs, one for Invacars, and block from both these haters that are ruining it for the fans!  (Not bad from a so called 'troll' eh?). 

God knows how many times this has been suggested. A website set up by Dez with a forum to deal especially for them and move this thread over to that. As you've only been on here for a short while you've probably got no idea. At least they aren't popping up in every single bloody thread no matter how unrelated any more which is a bonus to those who read other threads.

[D.E]

1974.

[DodgeRover]

1 hour ago, cort1977 said:

It's only London lads. I mean, millions of people drive there every day. 

TfL says "Current average traffic speeds in central London are around 14 kph, in inner London about 20 kph and those in outer London vary between 30 and 35 kph." Even in the outer boroughs the average speed is still only just over 20mph.

I've driven in Hackney, it's genuinely no worse than any other British city. Not saying an Invacar is a great idea but it's not significantly more risky than anywhere else.

I've commuted into the city for work in my van at the end of the job I told them if there are any more jobs in that area they can pay for a hotel and secure parking or I will end up going full on Duel with some cunt. It's horrendous, genuinely I would rather deal with driving in Thailand or India where overtaking on a blind bend is normal because if they die due to an oncoming vehicle it's gods will so there's no point worrying.

[cms206]

2 hours ago, cort1977 said:

It's only London lads. I mean, millions of people drive there every day. 

TfL says "Current average traffic speeds in central London are around 14 kph, in inner London about 20 kph and those in outer London vary between 30 and 35 kph." Even in the outer boroughs the average speed is still only just over 20mph.

I've driven in Hackney, it's genuinely no worse than any other British city. Not saying an Invacar is a great idea but it's not significantly more risky than anywhere else.

I drove buses in "East London" for a year, from Paddington and Tottenham Court Road as far north east as Loughton and Debden and as far southeast as Bluewater.

Driving standards in London are absolutely the worst anywhere I have driven, professionally or otherwise. Central London is much easier to drive in than some of the suicidal corridors out there like Whitechapel or the Romford Road. The number of serious RTCs I saw happen just outside my window due to folk thinking they were invincible was horrifying.

[calebaaront]

(sorry) 

[sharley17194]

5 hours ago, comfortablynumb said:

I'm new here, so I appreciate that my opinion doesn't carry as much weight as some of my learned peers.

I also don't like confrontation.

Years ago, I had three school friends killed in a head-on crash between a reliant robin, and a nissan bluebird.

Who was at fault? Don't know, doesn't matter, doesn't make them any less dead.

I note in other threads that @Tommyboy12and @sharley17194 are planning a major roadtrip in the same vehicles, which I have to say I think are dangerous.

Would I suggest they don't do it? Hell no!

We've all done stupid stuff, like driving vehicles which would be dangerous in a scrappy, never mind on the road 

@LightBulbFun has been extremely helpful and answered some of the more stupid questions I've asked on here, not condescending, and obviously very knowledgeable . If he wants to do something he obviously has his heart set on, so be it.

This coming from someone who used to bungee jump, and parachute.

I'd also suggest that the M25 is probably one of the safer roads in his area, since it seems to be at a standstill most of the time 

Just my twopenneth

 

I find head on crashes between any vehicles are likely to end in deep pain and I'm glad the OP is ok after this crash.

I'm not saying you are wrong or I am being blase about the risks, just the simple fact is driving a car is dangerous and you need to drive cars to your abilities and treat it with respect. I am very aware what Tom and I do is dangerous, but there's also an element of fun in it all. 

We will make every effort to ensure we do not become another statistic but i don't agree with your statement that Reliant Robins are dangerous, they are certainly no more dangerous that other cars of the similar age and if you are hear to tell me that cars of this age are deathtraps....you are on the wrong forum!