Zel's Motoring Adventures...Volvo, Renault, Rover, Trabant, Invacar & A Sinclair C5 - Updated 31/03.

28,288 · February 5

Echo's my thoughts in my dad's enyaq (the most modern car I've ever driven). It's a lovely car, comfy to be in, the ev stuff is great and I like that too but the modern safety bullshit is awful. I bet on an ice manual car the auto speed stuff is crap too if it drops too low for a gear...

Dad's takes a hearty shove of the throttle to over ride what it's trying to do, and often I'll push too hard and it'll knock it into sport mode and shoot off too fast...

Driving around the fens the lane assist is deadly and had tried to put dad into a dyke a few times.

In central London it is fantastic though, I'd not want to drive anytjing else I don't think. The 80 miles to and from London though turn into the above.

I think what scares me more is dad just shrugs and says "I let it get on with it 🤷". There's going to be hoards of people like that which is more terrifying I think.

I caved in 2 weeks ago as dad wanted to go to tower hill so we took his car, but Birmingham in a few months and if we ever drive into the ulez and take the train in I'll take the qq.

30,371 · February 5

I honestly don't know why a manual version of this even exists. It is the very definition of an automotive appliance. With how limited the power is and how narrow the power band is, it's just endlessly annoying. I spent probably 10 miles after stopping briefly at Lancaster still in 4th gear... because the engine is so distant you can barely hear it even exists, and I missed the change up indication because it's basically *always* demanding to be in a gear other than the one I'm in so my brain has already totally mapped out the existence of it.

I'd really not have said no to a new or newish EV as our boring practical car at some point, but the driver aids would have to be implemented a hell of a lot less invasively than Nissan have done here if I was to voluntarily drive it more than the bare minimum.

I have absolutely no problem with technology in cars, but it needs to not just be there for the sake of being there (VW's gesture control BS and obsession with touch sensors rather than physical buttons), and not actively get in the way of driving.

On the other hand, I do have plans to take the Rover on a road trip up to Aberdeen either later this year or next year depending on how smoothly the shakedown process goes - and that's a drive I am actively looking forward to.

Guess I should do it before somebody decides we're not allowed to shouldn't I!

5,352 · February 5

4 minutes ago, Zelandeth said:

honestly don't know why a manual version of this even exists.

I think that with a load of modern machines, I had a 25 plate transit on loan when my 2019 plate was in the workshop and it was a manual but with the amount of driver assist crap present it almost felt like a chore to change gear myself, I thought “you’ve got all this stuff you’re doing for me but you’re making me change gear?”

28,288 · February 5

When the auto stop stuff works on dad's car seeing it gracefully bring us to a stop from 50mph with the traffic is marvellous to see, and would only work in an 'auto' (I don't class the enyaq as an auto really, it doesn't have a gearbag)

Problem with the above is I've had it not do thst so many times, ranging from "oh fuck *over-brake cos I'm not in a 2002 Xsara*" to "collision detected" after I've already stopped that its rare I let it happen, even when it does my foot is covering the brake so much I may as well be pressing it.

I know my friend with a tenner 5 spent the time setting up a driver profile where all of it can be turned off* but he still had to make a shortcut to the main screen, then press then confirm that every time he drives.

*he says it still notifies him of everything and bongs like fuck but doesn't auto brake, he said it detected a car turning down an angled side road as a head on collision and brakes to a dead stop from the 45mph he was going, the car behind him nearly smashed into him instead

23,121 · February 5

1 hour ago, Zelandeth said:

Not half as terrifying as when the collision detection system in one of the VAG company cars decided we were about to hit something (we weren't) and did an emergency stop in lane 4 of the M1. Especially as it wouldn't allow said procedure to be aborted in any way and we were stationary for a good few seconds before the bastard thing decided we actually weren't about to die and would pull off again.

10 hours ago, Westbay said:

12 hours ago, beko1987 said:

Keep your foot near the throttle. It'll brake bloody fast from 70 to 30/40/50/whatwver random sign it picks up which is terrifying in lane 2 happily bowling along 😡

Sounds terrifying / down right dangerous !

thats exactly my own thoughts, I have often wondered, surely a line needs to be drawn here, where so called safety features become more of a danger then the dangerous thing they are trying to prevent? for example the really crap visibility in modern cars for example

and I also have to wonder with these automated systems about accountability

say for example one of these systems causes an accident, I could imagine there would be a lot of grief involved for the innocent driver trying to prove "no I was not purposefully brake checking the bus full of nuns and kittens, but a plastic bag drifted across the carriage way and caused my car's automated system to slam on the anchors"

its one of those unfortunate things that I imagine will only actually be questioned/looked at when it *does* cause a really bad accident...

22,457 · February 5

I don't know if it's been mentioned elsewhere on here but it is slightly related to the above. Apparently from next year China are banning these Tesla style hidden door handles from new cars as a certain number of people have died in accidents where the emergency services couldn't get in to to the car. So from next year all new cars must have proper external handles that must have physical, not just electronic, links to the locks. Which makes perfect sense to me.

30,371 · February 5

16 hours ago, Yoss said:

I don't know if it's been mentioned elsewhere on here but it is slightly related to the above. Apparently from next year China are banning these Tesla style hidden door handles from new cars as a certain number of people have died in accidents where the emergency services couldn't get in to to the car. So from next year all new cars must have proper external handles that must have physical, not just electronic, links to the locks. Which makes perfect sense to me.

The thing that shocks me is that it was China of all places which put their foot down on those stupid handles!

With regards to liability it's not that difficult to prove - anything made these days has telemetry recording which is written to memory in the case of an accident. If the emergency braking system had deployed there would be logs to indicate that.

Plus bad though it seems as a driver, they do probably prevent tens of not hundreds of otherwise definite accidents for each near miss they cause.

Doesn't mean that the software running them doesn't have a hell of a lot of room for improvement though.

11,807 · February 5

2 hours ago, beko1987 said:

There's going to be hoards of people like that which is more terrifying I think.

M1 around Watford Gap up to the M6 - think kind of 11pm time - do this run three or four times a year - it's four lanes available pretty much all the way, except lane 4 is always empty and lane 3 is full of these EV/modern doing 65.9112 mph about two car lengths apart.
I can sit in lane 2 with my lovely, little winker on for freakin' miles asking for divine permission to use their lane 3. Nope, all asleep in full driver assist mode.
If I think 'bollox' and start start pulling into that teeny gap between two of them then it forces the one behind me into full on brake, brake, brake, brace, brace, brace mode.
Cue Mr Angry all a-flashing lights and the like - except I'm now out in lane 4 at 70.001 mph and his car is still on the Lane 3 railroad(apparently)

It's bloody weird - takes a lot of trust to barrel along like that?

1 minute ago, Zelandeth said:

Doesn't mean that the software running them doesn't have a hell of a lot of room for improvement though.

A lot of it feels almost like a Beta release that's being user tested in the real world by real people rather than in a lab or on a testing ground someplace. Even Tesla are still tweaking their stuff after what? Twelve years?
It's almost as though they don't understand proper systems development (or won't pay for a senior programmer?)

3,799 · February 5

My main experience with this sort of thing regards the company vehicles... they have a fleet of fully electric Citroen and Peugeot vans.

Although festooned with the kind of 'technology' mentioned in this thread, it's not a bother to me as their woeful (sub 100 mile!) range makes them unsuitable for venturing out off site anyway. They spend their lives as mobile toolboxes, tootling round our little work world at 20mph.

There is also a Ford Ranger however, which we usually use for the week we are 'on-call'...

This thing is horrific, somehow gutless and capable of speeds it's chassis can't handle, far too big, and although brand new, is managing an amazing* 27 miles to the gallon?! The steering correction is very aggressive, and totally confused by our narrow country b-roads, which given the poor handling is just unsafe.

The lights are auto 'till they're not, the wipers similarly shite and the whole thing feels like a cheap lash-up. It is worse in every way (except rear leg room) than our 1992 Hilux Surf. And I hear the latest Amarok is a Ranger underneath?!!

The star of the work fleet though, sitting outside right now in fact, is the '24 plate Renault Kangoo diesel. I think it's a great mix of modern and useable, and it genuinely returns 57mpg week in, week out. Apart from the crap stereo controls (common to everything 'new' I think), it works really well.

Still, the fact that I like it is based on it's good old-fashioned mechanical qualities... everything's nicely weighted, it's really smooth (not just for a van), eager, quiet and frugal enough, and doesn't try to brake or steer for me. After a shift in the Ranger, you'd think you'd gone deaf in the Kangoo, no bongs!

Proves they can still build decent stuff if they want to.

17,852 · February 5

Not for me, as a driver I want to be in control,

1,829 · February 5

One of the lads at work has just got a new company audi and was also complaining about the ridiculous amount of safety bullshit it has. I cant think of anything worse than the car trying to correct every move.

Im defo sticking with my old motors until it becomes impossible to run them. Abs and pas is all i need, nothing else.

30,371 · February 10

Discovered a couple of things on the way home today.

If visibility is impaired, all of the lane departure, guidance etc stuff goes offline as it can't see anything. This apparently doesn't take much. It announces this with an incredibly loud beep which scared the living daylights out of me.

It apparently can also detect what it deems to be an imminent rear collision - again beeping loudly at you. Not quite sure *what* it expects me to do with this information about what's happening behind me when I'm doing 70mph on the M6 when someone has just cut in behind me a bit too close...but it's there apparently.

The lane departure warning system continues to be incredibly annoying as it is just too sensitive and too easily confused by visual clutter on the road. I simply reiterate my gripes from the first post about the speed limit warning/detection. That can get in the fucking sea. You can turn the audible chime for it off through settings (though it comes back next time you start the car, and it's buried several layers deep in the menus), but that doesn't do anything about the giant flashing thing on the dash which is just as annoying.

There were another three different beeps which surfaced at various points of the journey which I have absolutely zero idea as to the meaning of. Nothing appeared on the dash to inform me. Which is odd as it insists on taking over the centre of the dash to display a giant graphic telling me what I've done for everything else - including using the actual wiper stalk to turn them on/off. I'm surprised it doesn't pop up a message saying "Left indicators activated - press OK to dismiss this message."

There is no single wipe function on the stalk - to get one wipe you just have to click it into the "on" position and back to auto. Feels clunky.

The seats get bloody uncomfortable after a couple of hours. Most notably there is waaaaay too much lumbar support for me and there's no adjustment.

The stereo is shit. Aside from there really being no bass response to speak of, despite me spending no small amount of time pissing around with settings both on my phone and in the car I could NOT get audio streamed over Bluetooth to play in stereo. Took me a while to clock it was doing this and that's why things sounded odd and flat. Because it's only playing the right channel on all four speakers. Eventually revealed to me by a chiptune popping up in my playlist I know well which has very different things going on in the left and right to create chords. A solid half that track being missing was a good giveaway. I have had this issue on a few Bluetooth speakers and the like in the past, but first time I've seen it in a car. You're out of luck if you want to upgrade that I imagine as well as it's so integrated into the fabric of the vehicle.

Overall economy for the run - 31.9mpg. Which is fscking appalling if you ask me. Especially as I was in free traffic and driving with the cruise set to an indicated 70 basically the whole way, so really wasn't pushing it. Even the TCT engined Xantia would have done better than that. Dash is showing 37.something - so that lies.

The indicators outside the car are not in time with the "light" on the dash and (very fake) tick. That annoys me more than it really should do. First car I encountered that on was a BMW 1 series.

The aero around the windscreen/mirrors is designed such that all the water running off the front of the car runs *directly* through the middle of your view of the mirrors, which makes lane changing in the rain a right pain - especially as over the shoulder visibility is basically non existent. Mirrors themselves seem to collect far more spray and general road crap than on any car I've owned too. It's a little detail in the grand scheme of things, but honestly that's true of a lot of my complaints, but they add up!

Luggage space really is a bit crap for the size of the thing. Yes there is a little bit more storage under the boot floor, but not really room for anything bigger than a briefcase as it's so shallow - guessing this is because that's where all the hybrid gubbins lives. Hybrid nonsense which after nearly 1000 miles I have still to ever actually see any evidence of beyond some print on the rental agreement details.

The whole idea of a car this shape is surely to have extra space - especially height - inside...but there really isn't any. So why not just have a normal hatchback already?!? Rear seat space isn't great either - with front seats where I usually have them any adults in the back are going to have their knees pushed up against the seats to at least some extent. Again...What are they DOING with all the space?

360 degree camera is a nice thing to have - though you NEED it given that rear visibility is completely non existent. Especially after dark as the reversing lights evidently purely exist to show people you're reversing, they don't actually provide any useful illumination whatsoever. It would be far nicer though if it didn't take a full second to come up when you select reverse, and immediately switch back off every time you go back out of reverse - if you're trying to shuffle into a space that wait every time gets really annoying. Speaking of parking etc - non circular steering wheels are still just a stupid idea in my opinion. Especially in a cabin design like this where you're really not caring about having the wheel that close to the driver in a tight, sporty setup. I could see it making sense on something like a Lotus Elise - but here, just no. It serves no bloody purpose.

HVAC system is noisy and erratic - the driver's side dash vent I wound up just switching off as it was insisting on blowing hot air in my face no matter what temperature I was asking for in the cabin. It never seems to actually stabilise at a setpoint - it always seems to overshoot in each direction and then dump a load of red hot or ice cold air into the car to try to swing it back to the target. Again...It's 2026...we've been able to make automatic climate control that Just Works for 20+ years now. C'mon Nissan, you can do better.

The high driving position is quite nice as someone with a bit of a buggered back as it makes getting in/out easier. Unfortunately that doesn't actually translate into driving comfort unfortunately.

Yet somehow these things are one of the most popular models sold in the UK at the moment...I can't help but ask why.

I am very much looking forward to handing back this steaming automotive turd tomorrow and going and running the day's errands in the Trabant where my only driver aid is the speedometer.

February 10

So I'm guessing you don't like the car then 😁

16,110 · February 10

On 05/02/2026 at 20:44, Zelandeth said:

The thing that shocks me is that it was China of all places which put their foot down on those stupid handles!

Watch some Asian channels and you'll see a lot of Chinese and Taiwanese dramas feature car accidents in lakes, rivers and beaches. Drowning is like, serious horrorshow material. Whether it's the fear of 水鬼 "water ghosts", or just a lack of swimming proficiency, a car with hidden door handles and electrical releases in a nation of people shit-scared of drowning in a crashed car is probably a big factor.

30,371 · February 11

1 hour ago, 24vdiamond said:

So I'm guessing you don't like the car then 😁

No idea what might have given you that impression!

12,030 · February 11

14 hours ago, Zelandeth said:

I am very much looking forward to handing back this steaming automotive turd tomorrow and going and running the day's errands in the Trabant where my only driver aid is the speedometer.

I was just about to post, why oh why are you subjecting yourself to that POS when you have a driveway full of proper cars?

I would be no good at all in something like that, the keyless ignition and proximity warning for cars in front (which keeps getting confused with hedgerows on country lanes) plus the lack of a dipstick all piss me off about my company van and it is relatively mild in terms of bullshit for a modern.

28,288 · February 11

11 hours ago, 24vdiamond said:

So I'm guessing you don't like the car then 😁

I think he's on the fence 🤔

Even though I've driven dad's car a fair bit now the first time I get in to drive I have 10 seconds in my head going "fuck, how do I start it?" before remembering it's foot on the brake then it wakes up because it knows we're in it (I bet that's gr9 fun when whatever sensor runs that fucks itself and the car will never turn on 😂). Ditto with stopping. Cos I don't turn the key and remove it I spend far longer than is needs making sure it's in P and the dash shuts down when I open the door which means it's off properly and won't roll away

30,371 · February 11

1 hour ago, Angrydicky said:

I was just about to post, why oh why are you subjecting yourself to that POS when you have a driveway full of proper cars?

I would be no good at all in something like that, the keyless ignition and proximity warning for cars in front (which keeps getting confused with hedgerows on country lanes) plus the lack of a dipstick all piss me off about my company van and it is relatively mild in terms of bullshit for a modern.

~1000 mile round trip for a convention at the other end of the country and the Volvo needed back at home at the same time by someone else so I'd have needed it to be in two places at once. I didn't exactly fancy making that long a trip in the Invacar or Trabant (especially as the weather was bloody horrible for a fair chunk of the trip both ways) and the cylinder head from the Rover is currently sitting in the conservatory.

It wasn't my favourite trip ever, but was infinitely preferable to trying to use the cluster fuck that is our public transport system for a long trip.

Also historically, hiring a car has usually been a bit of fun. Getting to experience something a bit different for a bit without needing to actually buy it. However I signed up to be it's driver - not it's babysitter. Which is what driving it felt like!

23,121 · February 11

Just now, Zelandeth said:

~1000 mile round trip for a convention at the other end of the country and the Volvo needed back at home at the same time by someone else so I'd have needed it to be in two places at once. I didn't exactly fancy making that long a trip in the Invacar or Trabant (especially as the weather was bloody horrible for a fair chunk of the trip both ways) and the cylinder head from the Rover is currently sitting in the conservatory.

It wasn't my favourite trip ever, but was infinitely preferable to trying to use the cluster fuck that is our public transport system for a long trip.

If you ever get stuck in the same sort of situation your always welcome to borrow the VDP again, as you know it’s already been to Scotland and back anyhow

7,446 · February 11

On 05/02/2026 at 20:44, Zelandeth said:

The thing that shocks me is that it was China of all places which put their foot down on those stupid handles!

With regards to liability it's not that difficult to prove - anything made these days has telemetry recording which is written to memory in the case of an accident. If the emergency braking system had deployed there would be logs to indicate that.

Plus bad though it seems as a driver, they do probably prevent tens of not hundreds of otherwise definite accidents for each near miss they cause.

Doesn't mean that the software running them doesn't have a hell of a lot of room for improvement though.

Liability is only easy to prove from the telemetry logs if they're available. An article here about how Tesla treat that data.

‘The vehicle suddenly accelerated with our baby in it’: the terrifying truth about why Tesla’s cars keep crashing | Tesla | The Guardian

Surprisingly, Tesla are not exactly forthcoming with the data if there is even a remote chance of them being liable for an incident.

30,371 · February 11

9 minutes ago, cort1977 said:

Liability is only easy to prove from the telemetry logs if they're available. An article here about how Tesla treat that data.

‘The vehicle suddenly accelerated with our baby in it’: the terrifying truth about why Tesla’s cars keep crashing | Tesla | The Guardian

Surprisingly, Tesla are not exactly forthcoming with the data if there is even a remote chance of them being liable for an incident.

Tesla being Tesla and their supreme leader being himself, nothing whatsoever would surprise me there. Especially given how incredibly flaky their software is renowned for being.

Fact that they're insisting on sitting on the data is as good as an admission of guilt in my view.

30,371 · February 11

Nissan back with Enterprise.

Guy there completely agreed with me. He was driving a mid 90s Civic (a beautifully non messed with example too) so guessing we're on the same page!

Realising I should have grabbed a photo of it but it totally slipped my mind.

4,890 · February 11

21 hours ago, Zelandeth said:

There is no single wipe function on the stalk - to get one wipe you just have to click it into the "on" position and back to auto.

Similar with the Peugeots at work. Fortunately an ultra quick flick of the screenwash (which doesn’t actually trigger the screen wash pump) makes the wipers do a single sweep.

12,030 · February 11

2 hours ago, Zelandeth said:

Nissan back with Enterprise.

Guy there completely agreed with me. He was driving a mid 90s Civic (a beautifully non messed with example too) so guessing we're on the same page!

Realising I should have grabbed a photo of it but it totally slipped my mind.

Bet you’re glad to be shot of it. I know I would. A good reminder to make sure I have at least three roadworthy shite cars available at all times, I don’t want to subject myself to my parents Outlander PHEV again if I can avoid it, and again that is relatively mild compared to the dross they turn out now.

30,371 · February 11

2 hours ago, Angrydicky said:

Bet you’re glad to be shot of it. I know I would. A good reminder to make sure I have at least three roadworthy shite cars available at all times, I don’t want to subject myself to my parents Outlander PHEV again if I can avoid it, and again that is relatively mild compared to the dross they turn out now.

Aye. Bit of a shame really as it used to be quite fun to hire something different now and then. Especially having spent most of my earlier driving career in near end of life cars, so something new was usually fun and exciting. Now new just means "forking tedious" it seems.

At least I should have the Rover back up and running in the not too distant future so should then be back up to two cars that are comfortably capable of long distance runs. In fact I'm quite looking forward to taking it for a run up to Aberdeen simply because it's an excuse for a road trip later in the year.

Been pondering the entertainment etc situation in there a bit. As it's a car I am probably going to want to use for longer trips like that it would be *nice* to have the option of something better than AM radio (which is currently in the conservatory, and refitting of is complicated by the car having been converted to negative earth).

This...

Would normally be in the middle of the dash, where an additional glove box would be on cars not so equipped. A previous owner has added an additional glove box door covering that space at the moment.

Having such a convenient way to conceal things is actually making me think along the lines of making up a double-DIN adapter plate and installing an Android Auto head unit in there to integrate navigation as well - as the shallow windscreen makes it really awkward to put anything up there without it being horribly in the way.

Would be completely and totally hidden when not in use, and would be reversible simply by removing a couple of screws (as I'd make the adaptor plate to suit the space rather than modifying the car). If it didn't have the door there I'd not even consider it, but seems like a nice quality of life improvement when it can be done that discreetly.

We're a ways away from that really being something to seriously think about though...engine, brakes, steering, and suspension all need sorting first! My brain likes going off on tangents sometimes though.

28,288 · February 11

An android auto unit would work well, their fully independent and would be easy to make a nice job of a quick connect here and there and be able to remove it, or fit it and have it just boot up 🤞

Will run it's own speakers, and of you set it up right when it connects to your phone you can customise what it does, or start playing x and open Google maps on boot.

I spent a bit more to get a device with specs that let it run android by itself but for pure android auto use you could go proper grim and low specs (prob 4gb as a minimum though)

I'm sure their mega common, could you get a 2nd knackered one of those radio units and gut one to be AA and modern (sink some nice usb plugs running from a decent little 12v to pd converter etc) , modern speakers behind some nice cloth then restomod the other to have a damn nice radio and tape player, nice modern speaker still but be more 'retro' on look and feel? One for show and Sundays, one for road trip/want tunes as a daily

3,799 · February 11

I think there's a guy (advertised through the Guild Facebook page I think) who converts the original radio to modern standards.

I have the same one as you (still fitted though), and iirc it's around £175 for the conversion. The controls and external looks are left as Rover I intended too. Was considering it as my birthday present this year.

Do like your idea of concealing it all took though.

30,371 · February 11

26 minutes ago, TrabbieRonnie said:

I think there's a guy (advertised through the Guild Facebook page I think) who converts the original radio to modern standards.

I have the same one as you (still fitted though), and iirc it's around £175 for the conversion. The controls and external looks are left as Rover I intended too. Was considering it as my birthday present this year.

Do like your idea of concealing it all took though.

Honestly the navigation for the occasions I'm going somewhere I don't know and a convenient source to also bundle a USB socket or two into is probably more important to me than music. I've got a couple of Bluetooth speakers which are perfectly up to the job if I really want tunes. Though concealing something behind the dash in terms of speakers wouldn't be too hard I'd think. There's a decent amount of space back there - or under the seats would be another option.

I like the concealed idea though - and it's in keeping with how quite a few TVs, higher end radiograms etc were built back in that period - hiding everything away behind nice veneered doors and just looking like a fancy sideboard rather than something bristling with technology.

30,371 · February 13

On 11/02/2026 at 21:22, TrabbieRonnie said:

I think there's a guy (advertised through the Guild Facebook page I think) who converts the original radio to modern standards.

I have the same one as you (still fitted though), and iirc it's around £175 for the conversion. The controls and external looks are left as Rover I intended too. Was considering it as my birthday present this year.

Do like your idea of concealing it all took though.

Meant to say yesterday but forgot - that really isn't a bad price I reckon in today's market. I'm assuming it's done in such a way as it's reversible in future if someone wanted to rather than just gutting the original enclosure. Not particularly difficult to do. Just use the original power/volume control and hook up an audio source to the original speaker. I imagine ensuring the dial illumination is hooked up is also done so it looks right.

Either way I will aim to get the original radio here working, even if I don't use it in the car. Valve era gear is very much in my wheelhouse and I'm looking forward to that. However converting it for use in a negative earth car looks to be distinctly non trivial. I'd honestly be easier reversing the ignition system work and going back to positive ground. Though if I'm going with an aftermarket solution that's less of an issue. Only significant headache it leaves me with is the clock; and that is so knackered internally that I don't feel to bad about potentially stuffing modern internals in it. Especially as the one I have is non original already. If I painted the hands white it wouldn't be immediately apparent unless you're a serious rivet counter anyway. It's never going to work as it is though given the electronics have melted and two critical bits of plastic have turned to powder.

3,799 · February 13

You sound very much more well-versed in all this than I, that's for sure! I've no idea what he does with the internals, it would be a shame if it was forever ruined...

I too would love to see mine working as is, but hadn't thought about the negative earth conundrum.

Will watch your efforts with interest as always!

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