'93 Mondy thread

[greengartside]

20 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

Ooooh K616PHS is a weird one and its not alone either in that reg block! K612PHS (an escort) is exactly the same, in that both produce a positive result but with not really any DVLA data in them

both  are VIN Number "UNKNOWN"! with no colour data or any other such data, just a Reg number, make model and date of first registration thats it

K621PHS (an Orion)  is very similar, but I DO get a VIN number for it at least but its not a full 17 digit number id expect from a vehicle of this age

 

BTW @egg I was chassis number bashing from K606PHS, in the hopes to see if I could find K616PHS's number, still researching that

but just now I came across K27USD which is SORN!,   perhaps one for your list? although its not had a keeper change or even fresh V5 issued since 2002

K616 PHS - WF0AXXGBBAPJ51301. Build date 2.2.93

[Popsicle]

39 minutes ago, MantaGTE85 said:

Indeed. I'm sure I started seeing 1993 Mondeos start to show signs of rust around 2001/2002, first areas to go were the rear arches and sill lips I think. Very hard-used examples would rust in the door bottoms as well at around that time. They were definitely very solid, well-made cars in the '90s. But late mk2's started rusting in the same areas circa-2005/6, but the rot seemed to spread at a much quicker rate once it set in, just like early Mazda 6's did. And 2006-on mk1 Kas. It was like D-for-Doom The Sequel.

My first Mondeo was an M diesel LX, yea I did some miles in it, but it was always looked after, rust was coming through on the rear arches at 5 years old, probably more noticeable as it was white.

[LightBulbFun]

19 minutes ago, greengartside said:

K616 PHS - WF0AXXGBBAPJ51301. Build date 2.2.93

interesting! I notice your Ford tool can pull the VIN numbers for Fords even when they have later private marks applied

did ford make sure to note on its own system what each cars original registration mark was?

 

sticking that VIN number back into my tool spits out a Pug 406 of all things LOL

sadly CoD'ed back in 2010 so I cant see what its record looks like on the DVLA's 1st party checker

 

but someones database is clearly all very confused! I think this is likely a 3rd party tool issue as Carbaba and my tool both share the same back end

 

but its interesting how some other K-PHS cars show the same issue, are you able to grab the VINs of K612PHS and K621PHS? It would be interesting to try and feed those back into my tool and see what sort of response i get from those LOL

 

I think the database has been confused by some private plate transfers at some point, not the first time I have seen it happen, but not quite like this! 

but feeding N826XRW back into the tool gets it to spit out a record with the Pug's actual VIN number for example  

and I think K616PHS was involved in a private plate at some point hence it not showing up today (since back then they would not re-issue the original plate when you took a private plate off)

 

EDIT: a little bit more sleuthing and database bashing later, and Tada!

I noticed this mark in the bowls of the mixed up 406 record, and indeed looks to be K616PHS! I cant say for 100% certainty, as amusingly the tool produces no result what soever for K307GSF, but its 1996 issue, 1993 Age related mark on a White 1993 Mondeo so im pretty positive it is!

[AnnoyingPentium]

32 minutes ago, RoverFolkUs said:

Link please

Here you are.

[junkyarddog]

Spotted this,thought I'd share.

[RoverFolkUs]

1 minute ago, junkyarddog said:

Spotted this,thought I'd share.

 

Ah that's the one I posted the link to yesterday unfortunately couldn't post it as a video due to the forum software meltdown

[RoverFolkUs]

6 minutes ago, AnnoyingPentium said:

Here you are.

The horse suddenly awakening 🤣 classic!

[greengartside]

K612 PHS - SFAAXXBBAAPU05456 - Build date 10.2.93

K621 PHS - SFAFXXBBAFPM27719 - Build date 26.3.93

Yes my Ford tool uses the original registration number at dealer sale, so very useful to trace imports from Jersey/Guernsey etc.

[LightBulbFun]

35 minutes ago, greengartside said:

K612 PHS - SFAAXXBBAAPU05456 - Build date 10.2.93

K621 PHS - SFAFXXBBAFPM27719 - Build date 26.3.93

Yes my Ford tool uses the original registration number at dealer sale, so very useful to trace imports from Jersey/Guernsey etc.

very interesting!

K612PHS's VIN comes back as K287RYS which shows no previous plate history and is also odd because K287RYS does not look to be an age related plate from what I can tell?

so I wonder whats gone on there

 

 

K621PHS comes back as K285MOS which has been clearly had a private plate or 2, which is now on an age related plate, curiously also from 1996, and also in the bowls of its record I found, N468WWK which is amusingly a Pug 405, 

 

its both amusing and interesting how both K616PHS and K621PHS have both had their records entangles with 1996 Peugeots! 

[warren t claim]

14 hours ago, sierraman said:

The last Mk2 used to rot like the fruit from ALDI. 

Remember seeing a 4x4 in a breakers years ago, the floor pan and boot floor were different. It was an odd one, it had the full RS kit on plus some Ford Recaro seats that I’ve never seen since. At the time I just ragged the spoiler off it, assuming it had suffered some driveline failurevor the clutch went. Obviously years ago on a 10-12 year old Mondeo if the clutch went it was scrap fodder. 

Although I can't comment on corrosion issues on late Mk2s as I had to shift them on at 8 years as per local taxi regs, I only had gearbox problems with the Mk2s not fitted with a chrome grille surround.

If I had to pick my favourite two I owned out of a fleet of over a dozen they'd be the P reg 2.0 LX manual that was double shifted for two years taking it from 80000 miles to 230000miles before getting written off. It took 18 months for me to get paid out on it, 18 months it was sat parked up and still started first time with a jump start.

The other was a quarter million mile P plate Mk2 1.8 diesel I bought off another driver in 2003 for £800. It was white with the usual fucked bumpers and an interior that looked like a crime scene. It was fitted with a meter which meant that I could charge £85 a week for it, a fiver more than I'd usually charge. The last owner had spunked ££££s on a brand new injection pump a few months earlier and it was the fastest and most economical diesel on my fleet. 

[MantaGTE85]

N826XRW which begat N948PUS was on a blue 406 (China Blue or Delft Blue?) first registered in February 1996 - just happens to be the launch month of the 406 too!  

[Unlucky Alf]

Has this one been featured yet?  A 1993. 
Spotted near Gatwick last week.

 

[egg]

48 minutes ago, Unlucky Alf said:

Has this one been featured yet?  A 1993. 
Spotted near Gatwick last week.

 

Thanks, good to see that 1.8 LX in Rimini Blue out and about, yep, on my list.

[egg]

Credit to 'up the gearbox' Facebook page.

[warren t claim]

On 10/27/2022 at 1:41 AM, warren t claim said:

Although I can't comment on corrosion issues on late Mk2s as I had to shift them on at 8 years as per local taxi regs, I only had gearbox problems with the Mk2s not fitted with a chrome grille surround.

If I had to pick my favourite two I owned out of a fleet of over a dozen they'd be the P reg 2.0 LX manual that was double shifted for two years taking it from 80000 miles to 230000miles before getting written off. It took 18 months for me to get paid out on it, 18 months it was sat parked up and still started first time with a jump start.

The other was a quarter million mile P plate Mk2 1.8 diesel I bought off another driver in 2003 for £800. It was white with the usual fucked bumpers and an interior that looked like a crime scene. It was fitted with a meter which meant that I could charge £85 a week for it, a fiver more than I'd usually charge. The last owner had spunked ££££s on a brand new injection pump a few months earlier and it was the fastest and most economical diesel on my fleet. 

With regards to taxi/PH usage, the Mk1/2 Mondy wasn't quite the runaway success you'd think it was. The main problem was that it was up against the XUD powered 405/6 and Xantia which both already had a good reputation for longevity and although the Ford 1.8TD worked out a lot more reliable for taxi operators, it wasn't unusual to see civilian models dead at as little as 80000 miles. For taxi drivers desperate to keep it simple, the 405 and Xantia were also offered without a turbo unlike the Mondeo. 

A 405 or Xantia TD would also knock on the door of 50mpg unlike the Mondeo which would just about break the 40mpg barrier. Throw in the fact that the XUD drove better then you can see why Ford lost their stranglehold of the PH market. Even if we rewind back to the days of the Sierra, the 2.3 dizzler was well respected unlike the later 1.8TD. 

The only reason that the Mk1/2 was popular with fleet owners, myself included, was that they were a cheap fix when bought as a Cat C/D salvage.

[DVee8]

 

 

This one just popped up on Facebook

[egg]

@DVee8ta, name already on the list.

[quicksilver]

Has that had a new bumper? I thought the chrome grille was only on the V6, which didn't exist on a K reg.

[egg]

49 minutes ago, quicksilver said:

Has that had a new bumper? I thought the chrome grille was only on the V6, which didn't exist on a K reg.

Ah yes, possibly, The grille section is only two screws so very easy to change, and car looks like other mods have been done i.e. wind deflectors and spoiler.

Just noticed inside windscreen fogging, TADTS....

[sierraman]

No you got the chrome grill on the four cylinder ones as well. Was a standard upgrade back in the day along with Ghia interior lights.

[stuboy]

6 hours ago, egg said:

Just noticed inside windscreen fogging, TADTS....

mk1, mk2 and mk3

[egg]

Well, my Mondeo is still here, and just SORN'd and gone in to storage for December. Probably only a month as I don't want the new tyres to go square and new battery to go flat, but I've barely used it since Rob brought it back from loan, so it can rest until after Xmas.

[Datsuncog]

On 10/26/2022 at 1:25 AM, warren t claim said:

Do any 4x4 Mk1s still exist?

Late to the party, but yes - there's one near me.

Kind of.

Static exhibit, though, and hasn't been taxed for road use for many years.

Think there's more info about the mildly underwhelming Ford Overland Challenge elsewhere on the forum.

[AnnoyingPentium]

From 'Cars You Don't See Anymore' on Facebook.

[MantaGTE85]

That's a lovely find. Alberto Green 1.8 GLX. Would likely also have the beige interior with the wonderfully colourful diamond-patterned seats. And mileage has just turned 100,000 as of its last September MOT.

[egg]

Thanks @AnnoyingPentiumalready on my list....

[egg]

From Facebook this K plater is doing film duties now.

https://www.malexautomotive.co.uk/tellycars?fbclid=IwAR2cAxgMB8BkZA2hth3tmTX2QHlISRmKS-sY375KQ2-WOz2eN5_Kc1nF0fc

[sierraman]

Ideal for those mid 90’s detective programs. 

[AnnoyingPentium]

2 minutes ago, sierraman said:

Ideal for those mid 90’s detective programs. 

I think Barnaby from Midsomer Murders hammered about in one of those at one time or another, might have been the facelift one though.

[MantaGTE85]

I can remember D.S Reid (Robert Glenister) driving around in a fairly new at the time Juice Green P-reg mk1 Verona in several episodes of A Touch of Frost.